Sizing for submission
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#1. "RE: Sizing for submission" | In response to Reply # 0
jrp Charter MemberThu 07-Jan-16 08:36 PM | edited Fri 08-Jan-16 02:19 AM by jrpA 7 x 10 inches image at 300 ppi = 2100 X 3000 pixels image.
A 5 X 7 would be 1500 X 2100 pixels.
I would submit in sRGB color space, but let them know.
Note that 300ppi is not the same as 300dpi.
The first is an image pixel density spec.
The second is a printer spec.
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#2. "RE: Sizing for submission" | In response to Reply # 1
Ferguson Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004Thu 07-Jan-16 09:01 PM
>I would submit in RGB color space, but let them know.
jrp, did you mean sRGB?
I would be leery of anything but sRGB without a conversation about it ahead of time, e.g. proPhoto RGB or Adobe RGB. You'd THINK they would know, but it's amazing how ... let's say "in training" some staff are now. I had that conversation last month with one and it was just "huh?" and "yes, we do want it in color" over and over until I said "never mind, I know what to do".
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#4. "RE: Sizing for submission" | In response to Reply # 2
jrp Charter MemberFri 08-Jan-16 02:18 AMLynwood,
Yes, you are right. That is what I meant. I will edit my post above.Have a great time! 😉
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#5. "RE: Sizing for submission" | In response to Reply # 2
elec164 Nikonian since 15th Jan 2009Fri 08-Jan-16 10:42 AM>I would be leery of anything but sRGB without a conversation
>about it ahead of time,
For the most part, I would to. But in the second link provided in the OP under bullet point 1 they suggest CMYK and TIF as their preferred format for submission. Then again with that wording, while the prefer it, saying preferred would seem to imply they would accept other formats and color spaces. As you suggest, perhaps a call for clarification would be best.
As to resolution, with prior commercial printing, it was suggested to use 1.5 to 2 times the line screen in PPI. A typically quality printing was around 150 LPI with high quality printing (usually fine art books) was 200 LPI. So with 2 times line screen, that would suggest a PPI of 300 and 400 respectively. And as Alan already noted, most use DPI and PPI interchangeably, although you could arguably suggest they shouldn't.
A true amusing story about resolution; I participate in a Yahoo Photography group where a member is regularly published. In a discussion about resolution, one time he told us he submitted an image to the publisher, and they contacted him saying the image was to low in resolution and couldn't be used. He was puzzled knowing full well the image had more than enough pixels, so double checked what he sent. To his surprise, he inadvertently sent the image tagged with 72 PPI. He changed the PPI tag to 300 without altering anything else and sent it to them. They promptly replied thanking him for correcting the situation. Now you would think someone vetting the images for the publisher would know that the PPI tag is meaningless and whether the image is usable rests solely on the pixel dimensions. Go figure!!!Pete
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#6. "RE: Sizing for submission" | In response to Reply # 5
Ferguson Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004Fri 08-Jan-16 10:55 AM>>I would be leery of anything but sRGB without a
>conversation
>>about it ahead of time,
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>For the most part, I would to. But in the second link provided
>in the OP under bullet point 1 they suggest CMYK and TIF as
>their preferred format for submission.
Sorry, I confess I didn't look at the links.
>A true amusing story about resolution; .....
>Now you would think someone vetting
>the images for the publisher would know that the PPI tag is
>meaningless and whether the image is usable rests solely on
>the pixel dimensions. Go figure!!!
I am no longer surprised how inept some places are. I ran across a certain network who shall not be named who used one of my photos from a university sports game. It looked awful, and I experimented a bit and figured out that (probably) they went to the web site where they could download for that game (full res, with permission), probably displayed on a cell phone and took a screen shot rather than downloaded, and then used that blowing it up by a factor of 4 or so. Awful.
Welcome to a time when all photo editors are fired and the sports writer has to obtain photos. Or (for better or worse) their unpaid intern.
And of course, despite most never bothering, on that horrible image they did give me credit.
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#7. "RE: Sizing for submission" | In response to Reply # 5
esantos Nikonian since 10th Nov 2002Fri 08-Jan-16 01:04 PM"Now you would think someone vetting the images for the publisher would know that the PPI tag is meaningless and whether the image is usable rests solely on the pixel dimensions."
That is true for viewing an image on a monitor/display but not when prepping an image for print. It is imperative that the correct ppi resolution be set at the time of final sizing, and the reason why it is important to know the native print resolution of the printing device.Ernesto Santos
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#3. "RE: Sizing for submission" | In response to Reply # 1
I'm going to send them JPEGS in sRGB at 2100 x 3000 pixels, at the minimum, tagged with 300 ppi. They can resize if they need to.
Alan
#8. "RE: Sizing for submission" | In response to Reply # 0
I think the submission guidelines are perfectly clear and pretty much typical. I would recommend that you size the image and make sure it is at 300 ppi, convert to CMYK and you should be fine. I also do a fair amount of sharpening, not so much that you add excessive haloing but enough to remove any amount of softness when the prepped image is viewed at 50 to 100%. Also, if you are a little in doubt about the CMYK color space you can also soft proof to check the color conversion and make adjustments accordingly.
It has been my experience that in some cases print technicians, while are experts at running their printer, are not necessarily well versed in image preparation and color management theory. This is the reason I always follow their guidelines to the letter. The fewer the curve balls thrown at them the better.
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#9. "RE: Sizing for submission" | In response to Reply # 8
aolander Nikonian since 15th Sep 2006Fri 08-Jan-16 04:33 PM | edited Fri 08-Jan-16 04:33 PM by aolanderThank you all for your responses. Ernesto, I will proceed as you have recommended. If I resize images to 3000 pixels on the long size, it looks like I can get TIFFs that are under their maximum file size of 36MB.
Thanks again.Alan
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#10. "RE: Sizing for submission" | In response to Reply # 9
esantos Nikonian since 10th Nov 2002Wed 13-Jan-16 12:39 PMAlan,
Let us know how it turns out.Ernesto Santos
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#11. "RE: Sizing for submission" | In response to Reply # 10
aolander Nikonian since 15th Sep 2006Wed 13-Jan-16 07:27 PMIt may be some time before I know anything being the images are for the 2017 calendars. I submitted the images as TIFFs at 3600 pixels on the long side, 300 ppi and converted to CMYK (U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2). Some of the colors, purples and greens, took a bad hit in the conversion. Not sure if there was anything I could do about it.
The TIFFs as RGB files were in the 20 some MB size, but when converted to CMYK they grew to 30 some MB.
Thank you for your interest, Ernesto.Alan
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What do you think of their submission guidelines, especially "at least 300 dpi"? That's not telling me much. Also, do most publications want you to convert to CMYK?
Links to guidelines:
http://freshwater.org/weatherguide-photo-submissions/
http://freshwater.org/guidelines-for-submission/