D7100 vs D610 for Wildlife & Macro
Hi All. I am shifting From Canon to Nikon. I do wildlife and macro mostly, Occasionally Landscapes. I will be getting Nikon 300 F/4, 105 VR Micro and 1.4 TC. I'm confused about the body, If i should get the D610 or D7100. Earlier when i was in Canon, i got better results with 6D and 400mm combo even after cropping than my 7D and 400mm. So many ppl say even after cropping the image from full frame is better than that of crop. I felt it was right with i used 7D and 6D. But i have no idea about Nikon. After reading good reviews about D7100, I am really confused. Would also like to know the difference in ISO performance between both the cameras. I will not go beyond ISO 1600 for wildlife.
Please Help me.
#1. "RE: D7100 vs D610 for Wildlife & Macro" | In response to Reply # 0rstcso Nikonian since 17th Oct 2013Wed 15-Jan-14 09:37 AM
Welcome to Nikonians.
I wish I could answer your question, but I don't have the experience or D610, but that doesn't stop me from putting in my two cents worth. I do have the D7100 and it's an amazing camera.
You might want to check out the wildlife forum to get a better idea what they're using. In the below linked post, he used the D7100 in a similar setup you've mentioned.
#2. "RE: D7100 vs D610 for Wildlife & Macro" | In response to Reply # 0Ineluki Nikonian since 03rd Aug 2011Wed 15-Jan-14 09:49 AM | edited Wed 15-Jan-14 01:20 PM by Ineluki
Welcome to Nikonians,
Full frame and Crop frame is the same world everywhere. D7100 is 1.5 crop and a very fine camera. Means you will have 450mm while using the 300 F/4 without TC. The D610 will have 300mm without TC.
I had used for years a cropcamera and I am using now a fullframe. According to this experience I wouldn`t say cropping from full frame is better than of crop. It is different.
Let me explain: When you shoot deer for example you may get closer with 450mm and you will not need a crop. When you shoot deer with 300mm you may need a crop. Cropping from 24 megapixel pictures (D610 and D7100) should be no problem at all.
I don`t know which animals you will shoot. So I recommend to go into a photo shop and take the two cameras in your hands. The one that fits better is yours
#3. "RE: D7100 vs D610 for Wildlife & Macro" | In response to Reply # 0jpillera Registered since 10th Oct 2013Wed 15-Jan-14 09:51 AM
I have the Nikkor 105 mm lens, and it's one of my favorite pieces of glass. I think what's really, really bothering you is the never-ending full frame vs. cropped, not necessarily particular models.
Do you ever plan to shoot movies with your DSLR? I'm getting into it - and take lots of online Lynda courses now. Believe it or not, that topic came up. Those (instructors) knew their stuff too. They actually preferred cropped for video editing, because of the smaller sensor size is more practical for video. Yes - full frame video fine - especially in low-light. But outside, they'd grab their cropped models every time.
So just food for thought. I bought my D7000 for photography. Now I use it for what's called B-roll (supplementary video shooting like making stills) and use my D7100 for A-roll (actual movie).
What really matters then is GLASS. My next Nikkor will be the 14-24mm. Why? Fast glass with the same focal length across the entire zoom range. When you have footage coming in at 30 fps, the last thing you need to worry about is using different adjustments in Premier Pro for different sequences of your production.
Hope that helps.
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#5. "RE: D7100 vs D610 for Wildlife & Macro" | In response to Reply # 4mbarnes Registered since 04th Aug 2013Wed 15-Jan-14 11:28 AM
I have just made a swap from a d7000 to a D610 and my preference is to shoot wildlife especially birds in flight. Optically there is not a lot in it but the advantage of having the D610 is that you cam shoot in DX and FX mode without any significant detriment . So if I need a bit of reach I can switch to Dx mode. Fit hat way you get the best of both worlds.
#6. "RE: D7100 vs D610 for Wildlife & Macro" | In response to Reply # 5rstcso Nikonian since 17th Oct 2013Wed 15-Jan-14 11:36 AM | edited Wed 15-Jan-14 11:38 AM by rstcso
>So if I need a bit of reach I can switch to Dx mode.
If that's a consideration, the D7100 has a built-in 1.3x crop mode. Yep, a crop sensor with a crop mode. Who'd 'a thought that?
I have a D7000 and D7100. The D7100 is quite a step up, IMHO.
#7. "RE: D7100 vs D610 for Wildlife & Macro" | In response to Reply # 0
If your tastes run to very low light situations, then you would probably be better served by the D610 despite the resolution difference. If not, and you want the ultimate in reach, for both wildlife and macro, shot well the D7100 should be just the ticket. From the same vantage point, with the same lens, you will be able to put only 10 Mp of the D610 sensor on a subject that fills the sensor of the D7100. For macro, you will be forced further away from the subject and thereby potentially ease your DoF problems. The FX bodies are sovereign at landscape, but you only list that as an occasional activity. On DX there are lenses (and lens correction software) for that.
#8. "RE: D7100 vs D610 for Wildlife & Macro" | In response to Reply # 0
I have both (well a D600 & D7100) and all I can say is that they're different tools for different shooting situations. Of course, each is capable of covering any shooting situation but each excels at different ones.
I use the D7100 when I am looking for reach. It's such a great camera for sports, wildlife, etc... The AF coverage & performance is amazing and IQ is top notch. The D7100 is also great for landscape.
On the other hand, the D610 shines in low light photography and when you're looking for the shallowest DOF possible especially in portraits. Dynamic range is also better from my experience.
For your application, I would easily choose the D7100 since each single mm counts in wildlife photography and the 1.5 crop factor is worth every penny especially when you have such great IQ of the D7100.
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#9. "RE: D7100 vs D610 for Wildlife & Macro" | In response to Reply # 8vitalishe Registered since 27th Dec 2012Thu 16-Jan-14 06:54 PM
I have to agree with hijazist here. D7100 is clearly a better choice for your use.
Since you are planing shooting birds, then 90%+ of the time you will be cropping to DX anyways. So, in terms of image quality D7100 should serve you better:
- In good light D7100 will clearly be better due to higher pixel density.
- In low light in DX crop I would expect them to be close (I wonder if it is really true). 12MP D600 in DX vs 24MP D7100.
AF for D7100 should also be better. More focus points in D7100. In both they cover about the same area.
Buffer size on D7100 could be an issue though, especially is you shoot in RAW. Here 1.3 crop option can be very useful. If you are planning to crop to that size anyways shooting 14.2MP instead of 24MP can almost double the buffer size. The shooting speed also increases from 6 to 7 frames per second. But this seams secondary to the duration of the buffer.
The main situation where D600 will be better than D7100 is when you can fill the FX frame. But how often does that happen when shooting birds?
#10. "RE: D7100 vs D610 for Wildlife & Macro" | In response to Reply # 0
I've got a D800E, D600 and D7000.
When it comes to birds you've got three issues. The first is reach - and the idea is pixels on the subject. With birds, you never have too much reach. I think your lenses are high quality but 300mm is not much reach for small birds. It's adequate for mammals and wading birds. Image quality is great - even with the teleconverter.
The second issue is subject isolation - or the background. If you have enough reach, using a longer lens isolates the subject and blurs the background. I prefer the FX format to DX for this reason above everything else, but I also have longer lenses. For small birds this means you need to sit in a blind or do whatever is necessary to get closer so you 300mm lens and teleconverter provide enough reach. This is more of a challenge with FX, but the nice blurred backgrounds can be worth it.
The third issue for birds is focus. Focus means they eye needs to be sharp, and AF needs to handle moving subjects. The D600 had better AF performance than the D7000, but the D7100 has an updated AF system and might be the same or equal to the D610. The DX focus system on the D7100 is a more advanced system, but it is the DX version of the more advanced system - and DX versions lag behind FX versions - so I don't know which is better. Shooting DX mode with an FX camera does not help - you still have an FX viewfinder with tiny lines marking the DX area, so the view is quite small.
I think for birds, reach is going to be your driving issue, so I'd probably choose the D7100 if you are planning to use a 300mm lens and teleconverter.
ISO performance of the two cameras will be fine. I might give a little edge to the D610 by a half to a full stop, but they are both quite good.
For large wildlife - mammals and wading birds - the D610 has the advantage due to depth of filed being shallower and assuming you will have enough reach.
For macro, you can usually get close enough to your subject. DX has a little more depth of field which could be useful, but I'd rate the two cameras as about equal. If you need a little more reach, you can easily use your Nikon teleconverter with the Nikon 105mm macro lens.
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