So a buddy of mine said he read a review of the D610 where the reviewer was critical of blown out highlights. Sorry, that's all I know. Anyone read about this, or experience it? Was this a concern with the D600?
Every DSLR I've ever owned could get blowout highlights, including a D4 and D800e. That's why you adjust exposure, use the proper metering method and sometimes need to shoot bracket for HDR. Given a particular scene, they may be unavoidable, especially specular highlights.
I would imagine the D610 is no different that the D600 in how well it can handle highlights and broad dynamic range.
Seeing some examples of what the reviewer saw would help. What you are reporting is third hand, at this point.
Sat 23-Nov-13 01:42 AM | edited Sat 23-Nov-13 01:46 AM by tommiejeep
I have been really impressed with the D7100 sensor re: blowing high lights. Seems to be the best I've used...D200,D300/s,D700 and D3S.
The D610 is about the same as all the above, I've not noticed any difference.
What are your thoughts/experience?
Stan, sorry, Mick was just a 'target of opportunity' I really like my D610 but find I am using EV more than the D7100. My only nit to pick is that I cannot configure the OK button to view magnified image Cheers,, Tom
The new sensors in my current cameras (D7100, D800e, and D4) are certainly much better at dynamic range than my prior cameras (D3s, D300s, D700). Much fewer times when HDR is required. None-the-less, an improper exposure (particularly spot or center weight metering on the wrong place) will still blow the highlights. It is harder to do, but still do-able!
Thanks Mick. I'll do some more experimenting with metering settings.
My D610 came back from Nikon a couple of days ago so I took it out with the 80-400 AFS for a good workout. What I did not even think about is that it was reset to factory settings! Became immediately apparent when I tried using the reconfigured AE button as AF-on.
First thought was that they had messed up the new camera but before I panicked I tried the shutter release button . Went through the important changes and happily shot away....in jpeg only!!!! Saw and photographed my first Osprey in 20 months but a very bright early morning and tough to recover in jpeg Bummer . Tom
I'll agree that I have found I need to pay more attention to exposure with my D600 than any previous digital camera I've owned. And yes I find it does have a tendency to over expose at default metered EVs. Exposure compensation of -2 is not uncommon, for me to get the exposure I prefer.
But I don't consider this a fault so much as a characteristic. Having control over exposure is what the camera is designed to do. Otherwise we'd be still using pinholes.
Mine doesn't suffer from blown highlights except in the situations where you would usually expect them and even then it's dynamic range is very forgiving. It certainly keeps more detail than other dslrs that I've used and where recovery is needed there is a lot of leeway in Lightroom, etc.
Sun 24-Nov-13 07:29 AM | edited Sun 24-Nov-13 10:26 AM by dagoldst
>I'll agree that I have found I need to pay more attention to >exposure with my D600 than any previous digital camera I've >owned. And yes I find it does have a tendency to over expose >at default metered EVs. Exposure compensation of -2 is not >uncommon, for me to get the exposure I prefer. >
It appears from your profile that you use a similar style of shooting to my own, (aperture priority, with exposure compensation, Adobe software to process your images) so I am rewriting this part of my reply to take out questions I can answer for myself. Mostly, I am curious about what sort of scenes you find yourself shooting with heavy underexposure.
The D600 is my 4th DSLR, and it behaves no differently than the others with metering. It just has a lot more DR - more than film IMO. Default metering really means nothing to me, it is just a rough guide in certain types of high contrast scenes. I take meter readings in spot , if needed, and set exposure. Generally, though, matrix with exposure compensation in aperture priority does what I need.
The converter matters too. I use Lightroom, and since it happily ignores Nikon profiles, (which have been known to blow out scenes due to the curve applied to jpegs), it instead applies my custom D600 profile and I have to say I have to scew up pretty badly to get blown highlights.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof " - Carl Sagan
>I agree with David that the D600 has exemplary dynamic range >in my experience. DxO Mark ranks it just a tad below the D610 >which is the top performing camera for DR among the models >they tested. > >Careful use of Lightroom's Camera Calibration profiles or, >better still, using custom profiles can yield excellent >results from a wide variety of contrast situations. > >I've been very happy with the D600 calibration profiles at >http://www.colorfidelity.com/ but as they say, your mileage >may vary.
I want to get this for my D610, should I wait or use the D600 profile?
>So a buddy of mine said he read a review of the D610 where >the reviewer was critical of blown out highlights. Sorry, >that's all I know.
Either your buddy mis-read or the reviewer was badly mistaken. Nikon and Canon DSLR camera sensors made in the last few years all offer truly amazing dynamic range. All reviewers and end users say so. Name the reviewer and provide a link to the review - ask your buddy.
Well, now that you mention it, I had a problem yesterday morning.
The 610 is my fist fx and I've had it a couple of weeks. I'm still adjusting and learning. I'm posting the image that I've cropped down, but otherwise this is it. I'm working to figure out what I'm doing wrong. Obviously, the beak is a problem, as is the white patch on the leg. I would appreciate any advice or suggestions. I'm assuming some exposure compensation is in order.
The shot was taken about an hour after sunrise, and the eagle was flying into the sun. I'm in Wyoming and was at about 5500 feet. I mention this because the air is thin and it can get pretty bright. It was a clear day.
Assuming you had the AF point (and thus the metering sensor) over the bird's plumage, this is the sort of result I would expect. Spot metering will give you an exposure so that the area metered is rendered as a mid-tone - and that's what you got
When you're spot metering a darker object, you need to apply some -ve exposure compensation, and vice-versa for a bright object.
>Assuming you had the AF point (and thus the metering sensor) >over the bird's plumage, this is the sort of result I would >expect. Spot metering will give you an exposure so that the >area metered is rendered as a mid-tone - and that's what you >got > >When you're spot metering a darker object, you need to apply >some -ve exposure compensation, and vice-versa for a bright >object.
Thanks, Brian. That helps. This was a very dark golden eagle, and I had it on his chest before he launched.
David, Not nearly as much as I had hoped--but I'm just working with the demo version of capture nx2. I'd feel more comfortable if I could open the raw image in Photoshop. Again, I may be missing something with capture nx2, but while I can get the rest of the image to a reasonable level, I can't do much with the beak. Rob
Mon 25-Nov-13 10:29 AM | edited Mon 25-Nov-13 10:55 AM by dagoldst
>David, >Not nearly as much as I had hoped--but I'm just working with >the demo version of capture nx2. I'd feel more comfortable if >I could open the raw image in Photoshop. Again, I may be >missing something with capture nx2, but while I can get the >rest of the image to a reasonable level, I can't do much with >the beak. >Rob
Try a trial version of Lightroom, when the D610 is supported. I think you will be pleasantly surprised if not amazed at how much can be recovered.
There is also a thread on highlight recovery over in the Adobe post processing forum right now.
>> >>>Try a trial version of Lightroom, when the D610 is >>supported. >> >>Does the 610 not work with Lightroom? > >It will, Adobe just has to add the RAW support for the new >file. I expect that will happen very soon.
Lightroom 5.3 Release Candidate supports the D610. You can download it now, but be aware that it may still have bugs.
Thanks, David. Lightroom has been on my list of things to get. I'm still using CS4 and I can't bring myself to jump to the CS6 monthly payment plan. The last I checked, the adobe NEF to DNG converter is not updated for the 610 yet. Rob
I have CS6 as a paid up piece of software bought last year - it's the PS CC version that requires a monthly fee. The RAW 8.x versions are, however, compatible with both CC and CS6 - at least up to now. Please correct me if I'm wrong, however.
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I've been shooting with my D610 for a couple of weeks and have noticed no unique problems with blown out highlights. I adjust EV and exposure for every lighting and contrast situation and the D610 handles it as expected.
Exposure is an often misunderstood subject. As dr gets wider and more forgiving a lot of people have gotten used to having very forgiving compensation in their cameras. Personally I have never seen a Nikon that failed to meter well given the settings and focus target used. If the behavior of the meter is considered, what it sees and what a meter can tekk you and what it can't, everything majes sense. Getting into the habit of thinking of what the meter real is reading and is assumptions everything becomes much easier to imagine the results. In matrix mode the meter tries to guess what the scene mid tone level is but biases for the area under the active focal point. It assumes the mid tone is 18% grey. That is the visual middle point between pure black and pure white. It is a reasonable assumption that the focus subject is mid tone but the exceptions are frequent and that is where the photographer can compensate appropriately. When picking a focus point visualize whether the tone is brighter or darker that 18% and you will know what the meter is "thinking". The bird in flight was a good example. The body was dark so the meter suggests moere exposure to make it 18% grey. If shot without compensation would be expected to increase the exposure and possible clip high tones in the backlit sky. A little negative ec will result in a well rendered bird, and based on the extraordinary dr of the D610, and a realistic sky. Get into the habit of thinking and visualizing the tone range of every scene and selecting a metering spot that is really mid tone or setting ec to compensate. After a short time it becomes automatic and not a mystery at all. No matter how smart and precise a mwteribg system, it does not know what you ibtend as much as you know what the meter means. Sorry for typos, typing on my phone.
So, the short answer is "no, the D600 does not over or under expose unless you maje it. Stan St Petersburg Russia