Folks, Sorry for the subject line, I just wanted to get some attention. I have a D7000 and have been investing in good glass waiting for the dust (sorry for the pun) to settle on the D600 shutter debacle. Believe me this doesn't bother me as I have cleaned y sensor from my D50 on up. But now after being D700 free for a while, I want to get an fx camera. so I am about to pre-order the D610 from Amazon OR should I look for a Refurbish, say from Adorama? $2000 for the D610 or $1600 for the refurbished D600. Please don't flame me, I have been hashing this around for about a week. This is the best forum, Thanks, Chet
I don't think you'll go wrong either way. Both are likely to be fine cameras. Some things to consider:
1) Although people are assuming that Nikon will have moved heaven and earth to ensure the same shutter issue doesn't recur in the D610, any new product, even a minor upgrade, carries some risk of undetected design or production issues.
2) What RAW converter do you use, and when will it support the D610?
3) Although the improvements in the D610 are relatively minor, they are, nonetheless, improvements.
Glad to hear you are adept at both dry and wet-cleaning DX sensors. The FX sensors are much larger and take more time to clean, but the principles are the same. I have a new d600 and it has required the same amount of dry and wet-cleaning attention as my d800. If there has been a 'shutter debacle' with the d600 during initial manufacture, Nikon must now think they have correctly diagnosed and resolved their quality control problems, otherwise they would not be so bold as to release and market the 'new' d610. However, I do think the d610 has enough incremental 'new' features to make it worth more than a refurbished d600. But I would never buy a new d610 until it is absolutely clear that the original shutter issues with the d600 have been resolved. In any case, whatever Nikon DSLR you end up with, you will need to both dry and wet-clean the camera sensor for as long as you own the camera. One of the most irrational photog trends I have observed here on the Nikonians forum since the introduction of the d800 has been from shooters who have changed their shooting styles and are now avoiding and not using f/22 or f/16 lens apertures because they are fearful of dust/oil spots on their images! If one cleans the camera sensor on a regular basis, you will suddenly be allowed the freedom to shoot at f/22 once again. Patience
Adorama had 200 D600 refurbs with the 24-85 VR lens for $1599 a while ago. I bought a D600 refurb with that 24-85mm VR for $1599 from Roberts in the last two weeks with Roberts' 6-month warranty (Nikon 90-day extended by Roberts). The shutter had about 150 actuations. I wanted the lens anyway, and I figure it is worth $300. So, to me, I got the body for $1300. I will take plenty of pics this month and do an in-depth exam. If it has to go back to Nikon, so be it. I am frugal, and $700 is worth some inconvenience to me, especially as this is a second body behind my D800.
Folks, Thanks for the replies. I have decided to go refurb. Cameta Camera has the refurbished wit a 1 year warranty for $1529. Are they good, i haven't seen many bad reviews about them? Maybe I will order it tonight, can't wait. you people are the best. Thanks, Chet
This is an interesting question, and I am in the exact same position. But, I will throw in a third option: a new D600, as the prices of those are going down too. I will mull this over a little while longer.
The $1599 for the kit I posted comes and goes. When it comes, it goes quick. I saw it when Adorama had a bunch on eBay but did not bite. The eBay site said 200 sold. The Roberts site closed at 60 sold. I and you have no idea whether that deal will come back. The Nikon refurb warranty is 90 days. Roberts considers this a used camera and gives their 6-months warranty. Cameta has a one-year warranty, I think, the same as Nikon, but I have no idea what that covers and how that works. I have bought several refurbs with no problem. My D800 was one of the first that came out from the US military exchange system, and for $100 I got a complete warranty for 3 or 5 years. I would not buy a new release again. I think users look at listed prices and then jump. I am about 70 years old. I am not going to wait for 6 months to find out if the D610 has a focus problem or a dust/oil problem. Winter is coming with winter photos.
A quick question please, If I buy a refurb from Henry's in Canada, are there any issues that people may have run into when returning the item for returns or repairs? I live near Albany in New York so Cameta Camera with 1 year warranty seems a little closer to home. Am I being paranoid? Thanks All, Chet
Ok, I have decided and will order a refurbish D600 with 1 year warranty from Cameta this afternoon and see how that goes. If I am not satisfied, I will return it. About the D610, I wouldn't shoot anything besides Nikon, I love my D7000, always clean sensor, no back focusing and always works like a dream. In saying that I will give the D610 a year in the consumers hands. The D600 is still a great camera and the updates of the D610 really don't thrill me at the moment for the price difference. I can use the savings for the 70-200 f4 I would like to get.
I will take the plunge and get back to taking pictures, which I love, and stop browsing the web looking for deals
I will let you know hoe it goes. Thanks all for the comments and support, Chet
Folks, Just an update, refurb fell thru, not from Cameta. It was local, and oily. I am not afraid of cleaning the sensor as I have since my first D50, But not for that kind of money. I have had to take care of my D7000, not much but eventually they always need cleaning.
So, the deal is, I pre-ordered a D610 on Amazon and am waiting. My reasoning is that Nikon, if their smart, do not want to go thru the bad media again. I would think they would want everything to go smooth and I don't think the D610 is new engineering, it is the D600 with a new shutter mechanism and new firmware.