There must be over 10k posts about this subject in this very forum. Just spend some time reading.
There were some problems with early units. I got a VERY early unit and have not had a moment's trouble.
>I see a lot of adverts for refurbished D600's running into >the hundreds of units being offered. > >This is not reassuring as I want to buy a full frame camera >and don't want to buy trouble. > >Are these returns "normal" or is there a problem >with the D600? > >Regards, > >Norman Silva.
>If I read every one of the over 10K posts on the forum it >still wouldn't answer my question.
Your question is not answerable. No one on this list is privvy to the failure rate of the D600, nor any other Nikon, Canon, or other manufacturer camera. Therefore no one can speak to whether the return rate is "normal".
The Nikon D800 had a left focus issue with some units upon release. We have no idea how many units were affected. It was discussed here. The Canon 5DMk3 had an issue upon release. Canon issued a fix for affected units. We don't know the numbers. The D7000 seemingly had a focus issue upon release. We don't know the numbers. Some D600 units have had oil and dust issues. We do not know the numbers.
>You said there were some problems with the early units - does >that mean they have resolved their problems?
We don't know. Some members have been trying to keep serial numbers of affected units. Check that thread for more information.
I wasn't and am not looking for specific numbers of each model that has failed.
I have just seen a lot of refurbished D600's for sale - vastly more than the 3000, 5000 or 7000 series which I would wager have out sold the D600. That has led me to believe that there has been a disproportionate number of problematic D600's.
>I wasn't and am not looking for specific numbers of each >model that has failed. > >I have just seen a lot of refurbished D600's for sale - vastly >more than the 3000, 5000 or 7000 series which I would wager >have out sold the D600. That has led me to believe that there >has been a disproportionate number of problematic D600's.
Perhaps. It could also be that since the 3000, 5000, and 7000 series cameras have been out for at least a year longer than the D600, that those refurbs are long since sold.
I too have a D600 and haven't encountered any problems with the dust/oil issue. With the refurbished D600s, you shouldn't have any problems as Nikon would have fixed the dust/oil issue. It's always best to buy a new one as opposed to buying a refurbished unit however, everything is all relative in that respect. I've purchased used equipment and never had a problem. Even with a refurbished unit, Nikon will stand behind their work. If you feel that getting a refurbished unit is best for you, then I say go for it. Charlie
Plus some retailers will extend Nikons 90 day warrenty to a year but remember that you will have to send it to the retailer after 90 days. I bought a refurb D600 and havent had any issues at all. I took my D600 to Summer camp and aside from a few dust bunnies it performed perfectly in a truely dusty enviorment.
AWD265, I think it's a fair bet many D600 owners have been spooked by others having a problem, and have returned their D600 at the first sign of spots, and sometimes multiple units There's a good chance a lot of units were returned that weren't faulty at all Hence a lot of refurbs available As others here have said, refurbs generally mean the unit is checked more thoroughly
I wouldn't hesitate to buy one, bloody good camera
A lot of new photographers were attracted to a low cost Fx camera, the first. As expected a lot of people were searching for problems and returned perfectly good cameras if they had a problem or not. Some had unusually fast accumulation of dust on the sensor. Dust is on every sensor on every camera, whether it is a problem or not usually depended on if it interfered with normal images. When a few reports of dust first came to forums, the tendency for new users was to go looking for problems by using a zero tolerance approach and returned cameras if even one speck was found using test methods that had no relation to actual photography. If shooting a solid light color, at F/22 and long exposure and boosting contrast 200% in Photoshop, and seeing some spots, back went the camera. Many of those people have since learned that a little dust is normal for every camera around and have adopted a more flexible tolerance for unseen dust. Even with normal levels of dust, a DSLR sensor is probably the cleanest surface in a person's life. If anyone has ever had to dust their bookshelf, they are living in an atmosphere that will occasionally drift into the mirror box. That goes doubly for lenses being changed sometimes or ones that pump air when zooming or focusing. Spores and pollen are also risks since they are everywhere in the air, except outer space. When focusing on the microscopic scale, the human condition has one common trait between all areas, all people, dirt. If there is a real problem Nikon will repair it, if there isn't, some cameras will still get exchanged. If you try really hard, you will find dust on a D600 sensor, and every other camera to test that way. The best test is to go take photos and worry about if only after dust impacts your images. Then clean it. It is normal to clean lenses and cameras before important shoots or events. All that said, some people had legitimate problems with dust accumulating at high rates. Nikon replaced the shutter mechanism which apparent the source of dust. If cleaning occasionally is not how you would like to spend your time, you might be happier without a high resolution cameras. A hobby is for creating satisfying experiences and it is perfectly sensible to want to avoid anything that you would rather not do. Having a DSLR however is chore sometimes. Stan St Petersburg Russia
Stan's reply is excellent and covers all the bases. I'm replying as an effort to balance out some of the unnecessary hysteria that followed the D600 and yes there were some legitimate issues of excess dust apparently due to a poor choice of shutter material.
I have a refurbished D600 that was purchased in January of this year. It had no dust that I could detect. One week later (after a few hundred shots), I saw a few spots. Using the in-camera dust removal and a Rocket Blower, the dust was removed. No big deal. I'm now multiple thousands of shots later and no visible dust on any of my absolutely gorgeous (in my own mind) photographs. I performed the f22, blue sky test and yes there were a lot more dust spots, but nothing has shown up on my photos. This time I'll use the Rocket Blower and a liquid cleaner, even though the dust doesn't affect my photography.
Cleaning the sensor once a month would be worth it for the level of quality it delivers. If the D600 got dropped or stolen, I would replace it without hesitation.
"Red is gray and yellow white, but we decide which is right ....and which is an illusion"
An excellent point. I think you have "cracked the case" - lol.
I know at one stage there was "panic" on the Internet about the dust and oil with the D600's. No one understandably wanted to pay that amount of money and end up with a camera that had dust and oil issues.
Pretty much what I’m thinking of – to get a refurbish D600 .
Stan covered that part in his reply, but I just want to add to what Stan said, that D600 is the first FX affordable dSLR and everyone who had money for a camera body jumped on the FX train, without realizing that FX glass will cost a fortune and the results for an average user will be on par with results from D7000/D7100. That's one of the reasons for high return rate, which actually works very well for me, as prices are quite low for the refurbished D600s.
But i still think that my main camera will be a D400 and D7000 will be a backup while D600 will be an event camera or higher ISO needs camera.
On other hand I have kids and one of these days my daughter will take ownership of my D7000.
Hi Norman, There is nothing to worry about. I purchased a refurbished D600 from B & H in April, and developed sensor dust a couple of months later. Sent it in to Nikons' LA facility under the 90 day warranty. Nikon fixed it with a sensor mechanism replacement and cleaning. So, I wouldn't worry about buying a D600, new or refurbished - if there is a problem, Nikon will fix it. Good luck, Bill Heinecke