I'm thinking about going shopping for new glass and have lusted after the 70-200 for a while now.
Before I get myself properly excited, does anyone have any tales of woe/sage advice around mounting (or not, as the case may be) the 70-200 on the D600? It being a fair bit heavier than the body (and the body having a plastic front panel) has me wondering whether it's a good idea or not.
In the past I have used a 70-300 on a d80 (no lens collar there), both on and off tripod and never given it a moments thought (I've always assumed that Nikon know what they are doing and wouldn't sell things that are likely to break without a strong warning). That said, the (potentially) new glass is a lot heavier..
Obviously on tripod I'd be using the collar to mount the lens and have no concerns there. I was thinking more along the lines of when I am out and about using it as a walkaround lens (also when stuffing it in and out of camera bag - stored lens down).
Actually, while I've got your attention for a minute - I'm assuming that the 24-70 wouldn't have any issues as it's close enough to the body weight not to put any strain there?
The D600 is a very robust body I wouldn't have any concerns whatsoever about mounting a 70-200mm f2.8 on it, or any lens for that matter. Obviously all the usual precautions apply when handling your equipment but I wouldn't give it a second thought.
You are safe mounting any lens on any body, but with heavier lenses it is best to handle the combination by holding the lens, rather than the body. I've mounted a Sigmonster on a D80 with no trouble, but I would never have lifted the combination with the body.
I always reach in and grab it by the lens and not the camera body when pulling it out of the backpack. I also hold primarily by the lenses when shooting rather than by the body. That works well for both the lenses you described.
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Tue 26-Mar-13 07:59 AM | edited Tue 26-Mar-13 08:44 AM by mpage
As the others have mentioned, there is no problem supporting this lens holding the camera. Nikon recommends not supporting the Nikon 200mm f/2 telephoto with the camera body, but this lens is much heavier than the 70-20mm f/2.8G.
As a practical matter you will have one hand on the camera and one hand on the lens for support when capturing an image. This will minimize camera shake.
It is a great lens and works well on the D600. You will not be disappointed.
If you have a Arca-Swiss style tripod head, consider replacing the foot on the 70-200mm f/2.8G VR II with the Kirk foot.
I also got the ThinkTank Digital Holster 30 V2.0 with Harness. This is a great way to carry the camera in the field. You can even have the lens hood in the deployed position when the D600 and the 70-200mm f/2.8 lens are stored in the Holster. It fits the D600 perfectly.
Thu 28-Mar-13 12:17 AM | edited Thu 28-Mar-13 12:18 AM by mpage
I sent Kirk a question about the advantages of the replacement foot over the bracket on Monday, but did not get a response. I may have mistyped my Email address because in the past Kirk always responded quickly to my questions.
I have the Kirk bracket for my 300mm f/4 and the Kirk replacement foot for my 70-200mm f/2.8 VRII. I like the replacement foot better. The tension knob is better than the original Nikon foot. Since it was only $30 more than the bracket, I went with the replacement foot.
I'll send Kirk another request and post it when it arrives.
Fri 29-Mar-13 12:10 AM | edited Fri 29-Mar-13 12:14 AM by mpage
>Been an expensive week
This is one of the serious side effects of Nikon Acquisition Syndome (NAS). Generally not a dangerous condition, unless the wife finds out how much your are spending on camera equipment.
Kirk responded to my 2nd request. They did get the first request, but did not respond in two days. Here is their response in total:
"Please feel free to give us a call at 260-665-3670."
Since I work the graveyard shift it is not convenient for me to call. I can't believe they could not respond with a sentence or two on the advantages of the replacement foot over the bracket.
One ofter thing to consider, since both the D600 and D800 create extremely high resolution images, you may want to use a tripod or monopod most of the time with the Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8G VRII. Camera shake is more critical with these cameras than with other bodies that have lower resolutions.
You can get acceptable results hand-holding, but the best, sharpest results will be achieved with a solid foundation for the camera and lens.
>I sent Kirk a question about the advantages of the replacement >foot over the bracket on Monday, but did not get a response. >I may have mistyped my Email address because in the past Kirk >always responded quickly to my questions.
The primary advantage of the Replacement foot is it is lighter and has a smaller profile than the Nikon foot with a plate.
I heard people using Rapid or Optech straps securing their body at one point plus the VRII via the tripod socket. Have you considered this? I have the VRII too and am curious to find out who has done this and how well it works. Some say that the sling gets in the way if you have multiple attachment points.
I use the 70-200 f2.8 on my D700 with a small QR plate mounted on the forward part of the foot, for my monopod or tripod, with a Blackrapid RS-7 aattached to the rear of the foot. I find it to be well balanced and easy to bring off my hip. Havent seen the need to have a jungle of straps.
Fri 29-Mar-13 08:18 PM | edited Fri 29-Mar-13 08:19 PM by arv
>I use the 70-200 f2.8 on my D700 with a small QR plate >mounted on the forward part of the foot, for my monopod or >tripod, with a Blackrapid RS-7 aattached to the rear of the >foot. I find it to be well balanced and easy to bring off my >hip. Havent seen the need to have a jungle of straps.
Ok, good to know. I think the 2nd anchor point is tripple purpose. 1.to distribute the weight/stress betw the body and lens 2. for stability so the gear does not swing like a pendulum (since it is anchored on 2 points), come to think of it, it'll still swing. 3. for security in case the screw/bolt on the lens comes off (if one forgets to check if its still snug even with the rubber washer)or something happens to the other mounting point or harness.
i think I'm going to try it since I am left handed anyway, I'll mount on the left side of the camera + tripod socket of lens. When even I pick up the camera I go for the lens anyway so this might work for me. With this set-up when I turn the camera to the vertical orientation the straps will be on the bottom and not get in the way as others have experienced when anchoring on the right side.
Has anyone tried this? or can try it?
I was set on the Optech Utility strap until I found out that in order to use it as a left handed configuration you'll have to flip the pad over and lose the functionality of the non-slip backing. So my option will be the Super Classic (any feedback on this too?)
OP - don't mean to HJ this thread, I think its relevant anyway right?
I wouldn't worry about using the tripod mount at a support strap attachment location, as this has been common for years. The main thing is to make sure the attachment is secure.
What I use is a Kirk strap with a Quick Release clamp that can then be mounted on either an Arca-Swiss style plate on the camera or the lens, depending on the lens/camera combination. If the lens has a foot, I mount it to the lens, otherwise to the camera (in my case, a L-bracket). The advantage is that when you are ready to mount on a tripod, you don't need to unscrew your strap.
This results in and least stress to the lens mount, and is very convenient.
Sun 31-Mar-13 04:42 PM | edited Sun 31-Mar-13 04:45 PM by arv
>I would not attach one end of a sling arrangement to a lens >foot and the other end to the camera body. That potential >makes the lens mount a bending point. > Good point! I can see how that could stress it but I don't think the distance between the 2 points is great enough to cause that much stress considering that with one attachment point (either on the lens or body) you are also stressing the lensmount due to the weight of the unsupported component.
Has anyone tried supporting a heavy lens like the VRII on the lens tripod mount and using one of the camera strap locations or tripod mount? Maybe the camera's tripod mount is a better alternative to the left lens strap location
>>I would not attach one end of a sling arrangement to a >lens >>foot and the other end to the camera body. That potential >>makes the lens mount a bending point. >> >Good point! I can see how that could stress it but I don't >think the distance between the 2 points is great enough to >cause that much stress considering that with one attachment >point (either on the lens or body) you are also stressing the >lensmount due to the weight of the unsupported component. > >Has anyone tried supporting a heavy lens like the VRII on the >lens tripod mount and using one of the camera strap locations >or tripod mount? Maybe the camera's tripod mount is a better >alternative to the left lens strap location Come to think of it, I think it's better to use both tripod mounts this way the setup is supported on the same plane and the setup is less likely to twist and hang at an awkward angle. Also having two points will allow you to adjust the orientation of the lens, the shorter the leash on the body the more vertical the lens will hang.if you want your lens parallel to the ground then you can shorten the lease on the lens. However the parallel orientation will put more stress on the lens mount than the vertical orientation.All of this is theoretical but will definitely try it out when I get a generic rapid strap.Too bad there is no lefty op tech utility strap, though I can use it with the grippy side up or go with the classic
I am using that combination frequently without problems.
Most of the time this combo is on a tripod. When hand held, I typically hold the Kirk lens foot and try not to support all of the weight with the camera alone.
When shooting hand held I stabilize the lens by holding the foot and locking my left elbow against my body which provides good stability. In portrait mode, I simply loosen the collar to turn the camera around and use the same technique.
With a little practice, you will love this combination.
Those lens mounts and internal framing in the body are a lot tougher than most people would guess. I've been watching pros sling a 80-200/f2.8 or 70-200/f2.8 over their shoulder for decades - granted usually with the lens facing directly down, but certainly mounted with the strap on the camera. (Just the camera, not both lens and camera.) I've done it myself MANY times - pretty much any time I am shooting at a race track, in fact. I wouldn't push things so far as to hold the lens out in shooting position whilst holding only the camera body, but common sense will stop that immediately: it is pretty darn hard to hold it that way.
As noted, you'll naturally switch from holding the camera to holding the lens as soon as you get into the situation where the tail is wagging the dog - as people have been doing since lenses got big enough to care about in the 1960s. For grins, find a picture of a Nikon F or F mounted on - "hiding behind" might be a better term - a 1200-1700/f5.6-8 AIS Zoom-Nikkor! (That lens weighs something on the order of 35 lbs, and was in the news recently in the coverage surrounding the new pope.)
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The D600 has a magnesium top and back, but the front is plastic underneath the lens mounting ring. You can see a photo of it in the D600 review on photographylife.com. The author says to use common sense with heavy lenses and, "Will plastic bend if I let the D600 support a heavy lens? It might a little, but it will typically go back to its original shape. Whereas if metal bends, you know it stays there."
>The D600 has a magnesium top and back, but the front is >plastic underneath the lens mounting ring. You can see a photo >of it in the D600 review on photographylife.com. The author >says to use common sense with heavy lenses and, "Will >plastic bend if I let the D600 support a heavy lens? It might >a little, but it will typically go back to its original shape. >Whereas if metal bends, you know it stays there." > >Rocky
Actually metal alloys have "shape memory" too. But its "shape memory" depends on the alloy.
You know, Nikon lenses are designed to go on Nikon cameras. Unless you abuse them by bashing them into things, dropping them or swinging them wildly about like a lasso, the likelihood of damaging anything is nil.
Use common sense and reasonable care and you gear will last.
Hard to believe this thread has actually gone on this long.
>I agree with Mick. Otherwise lenses would come with >statements that they are unsuitable for use with certain >bodies. > >Rocky
The 70-200 f/2.8 VR II does come with the following warning:
"Be careful not to hold the camera body when the lens is attached, as this may cause damage to the camera (lens mount). Be sure to hold both the lens and camera when carrying." - seems definitive to me.
Interestingly, the 70-200 vr i doesn't seem to have the same warning in it's instructions.
Tue 09-Apr-13 02:29 AM | edited Tue 09-Apr-13 02:30 AM by arv
>You know, Nikon lenses are designed to go on Nikon cameras. >Unless you abuse them by bashing them into things, dropping >them or swinging them wildly about like a lasso, the >likelihood of damaging anything is nil. > >Use common sense and reasonable care and you gear will last. > >Hard to believe this thread has actually gone on this long. >
Wait until I get my Optech strap which will be when I finally decide whether to get the classic or use the utility upside down(non-slip grippy backing on top) so I can use it for a lefty and I will ressurrect this thread from the dead! LOL!
>> Actually metal alloys have "shape memory" too. >But its "shape memory" depends on the alloy. > >I doubt that metal camera bodies are hardened to spring >temper. I think when they are impacted, they generally dent. > >Rocky
Yes definitely not the body but they must do something different to the mounts. But you know these days alloys and plastics are so high tech that some plastics are actually tougher than some lightweight metal alloys. I'm sure they over-engineer and stress test these mounts to death and assume the worst case scenario like mounting a 1700mm with half a dozen TC20E-IIIs! But then some marketing fool comes in and says "oh we need to make the body half of the current weight!"