Original rumors had the D600 without an internal AF motor, which would have been a show stopper for me, but it appears that is not the case. What other compromises might there be to allow Nikon to reach the hoped-for lower price point? Some possibilities:
o build quality o max shutter speed - rumored to be 1/4000 sec. o possible lack of weather sealing o AF module
I think I could accept these if the price were right. What other compromises vs., say, the D800, might there be?
I barely ever use 1/8000th, even though nearly all of my current bodies have it. Definitely not a show stopper for me. I barely use 1/4000th, and pretty much ALL of my cameras have that. (OK, my N2000 doesn't. I haven't taken a single frame on that one since 1990. Other than that, only the F2 doesn't have 1/4000th.) Lightroom tells me that less than 0.5% of my 140k+ frames were faster than 1/4000th. Even worse, a quick review of them suggests that only about ten of them (that means a total of ten frames) had any reason to be shot at that high speed. All the rest were photographer errors, mostly about leaving some high ISO set and then not paying attention. Very, very embarrassing.
> possible lack of weather sealing
A totally irrelevant one for me. First and foremost, most of my gear already doesn't have "sealing" (which Nikon doesn't warranty anyway), and second, I have some "sealed" pro bodies. Besides, if the going gets rough, I have rain covers that do a far more effective job than any on-camera features.
> AF module
It needs to be at least as good as the F100 to be acceptable to me. Ie CAM900. More or less the equal of the D100 or D70, although I'd like more than 5 points. Say, minimum 11 points.
poor manual controls. If it can only do a 3-shot bracket, or doesn't have a subcommand dial, or requires digging through menus to change ISO, or something like that.
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Most likely any mid level bodies will have some common features with the D7000 such as outer shell with a mix of plastic/Lexan and cast magnesium . The AF mode selection will be the button+command wheels instead of the 3 position level switch since every camera at the D7000 level or above that has come out has that in common. I prefer it, all settings can be done simultaneously without taking your eye from the VF. The build style will not be like the D300, since the difference in price between a D7000 and the rumored price of the D600 is about the same as a wholesale cost of a 24mpx FX sensor. I think Nikon has made some basic design changes that are reflected in current and future cameras for a couple generations and the D7000 is the prototype. The D800 and D7000 are more similar than different in layout and controls, materials etc. That is not a bad thing, modern plastics are really rugged as can be seen from the low number of D90 and D7000 with mechanical problems due to abuse. Being lighter reduces the need to be stronger for any given level of resistance to abuse. Some consumers equate weight with ruggedness but that does not necessarily follow in real life or engineering for life cycle that a more massive item is more reliable. For noise, I suspect that physics has not been overturned so pixel level will likely be similar to current cameras which have very high QE now, not a lot of room for improvement except possibly in on-board NR. Nikon will surely avoid what Canon did to get their 5DIII to simulate D4/D3 performance, with brutal non-defeat-able noise reduction at higher ISO. Nikon shooters would rebel since they have gotten used to having "clean" files that retain enough detail to allow selective NR in post. Stan St Petersburg Russia
My show stopper would be not having 2 SD cards, Imreally want an FX with SD cards, I have rented the D3x and think that 24 mp is a really nice sweet spot for an FX sensor. I had an 800 pre ordered until I rented it for a week and I canceled my order and picked ups D 7000. So here I wait and watch looking for te official announcement
Thu 13-Sep-12 07:58 AM | edited Thu 13-Sep-12 08:35 AM by swaussie
Anyone that has any experience with the D7000 will probably understand why the exposure settings dial that spins like a well oiled bearing is possibly THE worst idea Nikon EVER had! I use a Blackrapid strap and the dial would spin as it rubbed against my hip whilst walking - so it would literally change settings from one shot to the next without any input from myself. Why not use the same dials/buttons that their top of the line cameras (d700, D800, D4, etc) use?
Edit to say they seem to have fixed this issue - "locking mode dial to prevent accidental adjustments"
Maximum 3-frame autobracket with a max of 1-stop differential. 3 frames with a 2-stop differential (which has never been Nikon's way) I could live with, but not a 3/1 situation. I may not need the 9 frames my D300 offers, but c'mon, at least 5 frames. I require those additional autobracketed frames. Dealbreaker for sure.
BTW "show stopper" implies something so impressive that it gets everyone so excited the show can't go on until people calm down. I think that's the opposite of what you mean in this thread. "Deal breaker" is more like it.
To the weather sealing question, the D600 appears comparable to D7000, which means rubber gaskets on all the doors, but in reality any camera with a pop-up flash has questionable weather sealing. It's not really possible to put a good seal on that door.
Though I am not currently in the market for a camera, I was about 4 months ago when I finally chose the D7000.
Like many others here, I seriously considered whether FX was worth the higher cost not only for the body but for the entire system, including good full-frame lenses. As a serious hobbyist at best with a $2,000 total system budget, I could not justify FX (though I did look VERY closely at getting a gently used D700 at one point).
That said, deal breakers for me on the D600 would be similar to what they would have been on the D7000: No sub-dial, lack of dedicated buttons for common adjustments, single card slot, poor low light/high ISO performance, and lack of built-in auto-focus motor.
Indeed, the D5100 falls short in 4 of those 5 areas, which is why I decided to spend extra $ for the D7000. I say "extra money" referring to the price of the camera body, as I could have spent far more buying the D5100 and then buying AF-S lenses to replace the AF lenses I already owned and liked which can be used on the D7000.
It was a great lesson in total system cost as opposed to simply the cost of the body itself, which often ends up being one of the least expensive parts of one's entire setup.
A Frame Rate lower than 5.5FPS would have been a deal breaker for me.
I would use a D600 primarily for indoor sports. I upgraded from 4.5FPS to 6FPS when I went from the D90 to the D7000, and it made a huge difference for basketball. I could never go much below the 6FPS mark again. Gladly, the D600 shoots at 5.5FPS, which is just barely close enough. I was disappointed to find out that the battery grip doesn't improve frame rate like it does on the D300s. I guess they're saving that for the D600s.
I think everything else about the D600 is just about perfect for an entry level FX DSLR, except maybe the price. I would have liked to see it around $1,700-1,800. That is probably where it will be in two years, when I am ready to get one, so I'm even OK with the intro price.