I'm trying to decide on keeping or returning it as it 's been less than 30 days . the oil on sensor issue has me worried ,should I return it and get an 800 ? I tried a rocket blower but these marks stayed. i'm posting full frame shot
I have seen spots that look like this. Some were easily removed with the rocket blower. I find that making sure the camera is sensor is pointing down during an air cleaning and the blower nozzle is used at various angles helps.
Some of the spots I had needed a single pass with a wet swab from Visible Dust to be removed. I think what I had was dust because they were removed easily. Dust isn't a deal breaking issue for me because I know I'm going to get dust on the sensor with regular use.
If you are uncomfortable with cleaning your own sensor filter you might want to exchange the camera. I have heard reports of dirty sensors on D800 and other cameras as well.
I know there have been several reputable reports of dust on D600 sensors but I haven't seen any *confirmed* reports of oil.
Sun 28-Oct-12 08:24 PM | edited Sun 28-Oct-12 08:31 PM by Joecosentino
This photo was processed in HDR pro 2 to see how much dust or oil is on my Second D600 sensor after about 800 shots. Looks like this one is going back too and I won't be replacing it anytime soon. $2000.00 for a defective product. the lens on the camera was put on the day the replacement 600 showed up and wasn't taken off.
I guess Nikon just wants use to compose our photos so we can crop the top 1/3 off
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Not sure if how much of a crop you have there... Seriously... I had dust on my D600 when it was new... but cleaned the sensor. All of my friends with DSLRs, Nikons, Canon, Fujis etc. get dust on the sensor... They carry a charge and will attract dust.
I was a bit disappointed that Nikon didn't deliver a pristine sensor but OH well...
That is why there is a multi-million dollar business selling sensor swabs, brushes, magnifiers, and cleaning fluids... to owners of ALL camera brands.
If you can't handle dust then go back ti film... where you get a new sensor with every shot... but then there are the scratches and the dust in the enlarger or scanner... yada-yada yada.
Apparently this is a bit more of an issue. Here is a blog post from Roger Cicala from Lensrentals.com. They found the same issue on their D600's but do not have an explanation yet. At this point they are simply expecting to clean the D600 more frequently. Note that they normally have to clean 25% of the cameras that come back from each rental so this is much higher than that normal level.
My guess is it has to be something shedding from the shutter, my second d 600 is a mess just like my first one, after about 800 shots there are hundreds of specks on the sensor. I bet if you could count them it would be 1 for every shutter click. Anyway I have only had one lens on the camera so it was only open to the air for a few seconds. Also when I checked it the first time there was one rather large spot, now it's covered. Photo in my gallery.
Nikon is being totally unresponsive to my e mails I am calling them tomorrow. My vendor will take it back but they have a meeting with Nikon at a photo show this weekend.
I am really P***ed that they won't even acknowledge that there is a problem. There are plenty of reports out there. That is just bad business.
It is possible some dust is in the camera but it is also possible that the higher resolution of the D600 shows fine dust more than your D90 does. Does a Rocket Blower remove the dust? It makes little difference if a lens stays on the camera if it pumps air into and out of the camera with each zoom or some with focusing. If you did not want to clean it yourself, I am sure your dealer would do it in seconds. Stan St Petersburg Russia
Thu 01-Nov-12 09:20 AM | edited Thu 01-Nov-12 09:23 AM by ericbowles
I wonder if there is a change in the foam used around the shutter or damage to the foam? Take a look under high magnification - a magnifying glass or a macro image with another camera.
We had another post reporting damage to the foam in a recent DSLR - likely from cleaning. But it could be the shutter is brushing against the foam. In any event, foam that deteriorates leaves little dust like particles.
I have used the 24 to 70 on my D7000 with no problem. You can take the photos and start with the first one with the one spot and as you look at every 25 photos or show and you can watch the number of spots grow. Maybe it is dust in the camera its self but I am sure it has something to do with the shutter, because this is 2 cameras acting the same way.
By the aw I have also rented the D 4, D 3x and the D800 using the same lens with no dust issues. So I think that pretty much elimates the lens leaking and pulling in dust.
I have only had to clean the d 90 a couple of times over the past 5 years or so And I never really took any special precautions changing the lenses, before I knew about sensor dust.
The D 600 has a faulty lot maybe from a certain manufacturing plant or shiyyter parts tha were not assembled correctly.
I am totally ticked off that Nikon won't acknowledge a problem, I understand #### happens but also you make it right when it does.
I'm in total agreement with you. I called Nikon yesterday and the customer service representative had never heard of the problem before??
I informed him that I was sitting on the fence waiting to purchase my third D600, hoping to obtain a sound camera. Also informed him that there are many others doing the exact same thing. This is very poor business and quality control Nikon!!
Well, I checked my D600 and have lots of dust spots in the top right quadrant and a big one in the middle.
My rocketblower removed the big one but not the 10-15 others. I love my new camera and wonder what you, more experienced Nikonians would suggest. I bought it from Unique Photo through the mail and would prefer to not ship it back and lose shooting time.
I live on Long Island so Nikon HQ is close enough to get to.
Would you recommend a. bringing it in, getting a good cleaning as well as a baseline to watch this pattern over time? b. just clean it myself and enjoy my camera. (if so which method/product do you favor?) c. some other stratagy.
I would suggest having the vendor clean the sensor (assuming they can do this) to their satisfaction and yours. You've then established a baseline. Then track your usage (shutter counts and lens changes) over a period of time and see when and how quickly the dust returns.
If you shoot 25 shots with a prime lens indoors, and then seen dust, I'd say there is something within the camera generating it. If you shoot outdoors with a 28-300 zoom, it may be coming from the lens. If you change lenses every 5 shots, that could be it.
Once you get an idea one the circumstances, then you can go back to the vendor, or Nikon, if appropriate. But you need to start with a clean sensor. (Dust on the mirror doesn't count!)
Damn, every Nikon camera is defective. The D800 won't focus right, the D600 is a dust bunny. Why does anyone buy them, or even return them and just accept another? Isn't the definition of insanity doing something over and over and expecting different results?
Taken from DPReview "Something that we've definitely got our eye on though, and which we'll be in a better position to comment on over time, is the D600's apparent tendency to attract sensor dust. We're working with Nikon to understand (and further test) this issue and we'll update this review accordingly as we use the camera over time."
Just an update be it a small one, but tree is an issue
It would be nice if they supplied some data, rather than just say "apparent tendency". It would be useful to get some indication of the severity or prevalence of the problem. It surely affects some D600s, but how much and how many?
>It would be nice if they supplied some data, rather than just >say "apparent tendency". It would be useful to get >some indication of the severity or prevalence of the problem. >It surely affects some D600s, but how much and how many?
How would DPreview know? It's not like they can test a sample of a statistically relevant scale?
Tue 20-Nov-12 12:31 AM | edited Tue 20-Nov-12 12:33 AM by mwhals
I was thinking about upgrading my D200 to a D600, but am now thinking I might skip it too due to its oil/dust problems. I missed the D300 due to being unemployed at the time and don't see a reason to upgrade to it now since it should be getting replaced at any moment by Nikon.
Shoot nature with respect and don't trample it or startle its inhabitants. :)
I have dust in the same area of the sensor as Lensrentals reported. It may be more common than some would like to admit. It's not affecting my shooting right now, as I typically shoot at f/8 or larger.
I have owned the D80, D200 and two Fujifilm S2 digital cameras and have not had oil issues like the D600. In fact, I only had to deal with dust on the other models. This is oil. No amount of blowing with a Gitzo makes any of it disappear. Nikon is getting a call from me. I wet-cleaned my sensor ten times last night to get the oil off in the same portion of the screen, the left side of the frame from top to bottom. It is stubborn and should not be there. I wonder if the vibrating self-cleaning mode loosens up the oil more? If this was dust it would be randomly placed on the AA filter. It's not. It is the same area. I think Nikon needs to step up and fix it. I am happy with the product somewhat but this shows Nikon is over their head in handling problems. This shouldn't happen with a giant that has such a loyal, if not gullible, following. Count me as one of them.
>I have owned the D80, D200 and two Fujifilm S2 digital >cameras and have not had oil issues like the D600. In fact, I >only had to deal with dust on the other models. This is oil. >No amount of blowing with a Gitzo makes any of it disappear. >Nikon is getting a call from me. I wet-cleaned my sensor ten >times last night to get the oil off in the same portion of the >screen, the left side of the frame from top to bottom. It is >stubborn and should not be there. I wonder if the vibrating >self-cleaning mode loosens up the oil more? If this was dust >it would be randomly placed on the AA filter. It's not. It is >the same area. I think Nikon needs to step up and fix it. I am >happy with the product somewhat but this shows Nikon is over >their head in handling problems. This shouldn't happen with a >giant that has such a loyal, if not gullible, following. Count >me as one of them. I jus returned my 3rd d600. I did the 3500 shots and ten cleaned it. Then ago 599 more and the sensor was a mess so it was packed up and shipped back. I really want the D600 because of the SD cards and batteries So all my cameras will have he same. But at this point I am giving them one more try in Feb. then I am waking for the rummored d4 sensor in the D 800 body.
I called the store where I bought my D600. They were surprised at my issue and said no one else had indicated a problem. They encouraged me to bring the camera in. I won't yet because I just cleaned it. When it is dirty again, I will bring it in. Until then, I am contacting Nikon to see if they are going to have plan for this issue directly.
>I called the store where I bought my D600. They were >surprised at my issue and said no one else had indicated a >problem. They encouraged me to bring the camera in. I won't >yet because I just cleaned it. When it is dirty again, I will >bring it in. Until then, I am contacting Nikon to see if they >are going to have plan for this issue directly. Nikon will not acknowledge any problems. What I did this last time was set the interval timer I take 3000 shots the sensor was A mess I cleaned it and them just #### 500 rapId shots ending with grey sky shots at f22 I looked at the photos and there was well over 300 spots so I called my dealer and returned it. I don't know why Nilon won't admit there is An issue I wonder if the price decrease Was to clean out inventory of all the bad cameras. My first 2 had a serial number in the 301 range the one I just sent back was 304.
So I am going to watch reviews and see if the stop talking about dust. Then I may try again. What I think is a Bigger issue is all this stuff is coming from some where. My guess it's pieces of shutter flaking off. So will there be premature shutter failure in these cameras in the next year or so and if so will Nilon fix them.
I have sent a letter to the NY repair center just to have on file my issues with the D 600. So far my dealer has been great taking these cameras back.
It is very discouraging to have fellow Nikonian's talk down to one because one does not want to accept paying good money for a defective product. "Dust is a fact of life, your not a real photographer unless you wet clean your own sensor" appears to be the current macho response. I bought a D600 from Best Buy because I didn't want to hassle with shipping it back if there was a problem. After only 386 shots it looked like someone had sprayed the sensor with buckshot. Rocket blower and in-camera dust removal made no difference. I returned it and bought a D7000, while I wait to see whether Nikon will a) acknowledge the issue b) fix the issue and c) recall the defective ones. The larger and longer term issue is that anyone who needs to sell their D600 is going to take a big hit on its resale value. Craig's List already has a ton of them listed in my area. One would have to be nuts to buy one, given that Nikon's warranty is non-transferable. If anyone buys one before the issue is resolved, best bet is to buy a Square Trade Warranty for it, since their warranty is transferable. By the way, I was out shooting with the D7000 earlier today and took several blue sky shots at f/22. Not one speck of dust or #### on the sensor.
FYI, I have about 5,000 exposures on my D600. About 3,000 of those were made with an intervalometer for time lapse, but 2,000 were shot one at a time. So far, no unusual dust or oil. Some dust, but no more than I'd expect at this point.
I have been lurking for a little while watching the comments go back and forth on the D600. One camp seems to think there is a problem and another camp is of the opinion that dust just happens.
I have owned and used cameras most of my life. To date, I have not seen the amount of debris fly through the chamber like a D600. Now while all of you that claim it is normal, keep in mind that it may be normal under normal operating circumstances such as changing lenses out in the wilderness, frequent lens changes, or just bad technique.
For those of you that have a great D600, you are so lucky. I really love the pictures that I got from it while I have owned it, except for the ones at F/4.5 to 11 that have the goobers on them while I have only had the camera for two days. Yeah, I have photoshop too, and yeah, I know how to use content-aware and make the goobers go away. By the way, why should I have to avoid a higher f stop because I may see dust that should not be there on most days? Yeah, I also know about diffraction, but should we have to alter any way we desire to take a photo because Nikon put out a product with problems? I don't think so.
There is clearly something wrong with the camera. I have no problem with the dust that I introduce into the equation, but popping on one lens with now other visits to the sensor, seems a bit strange.
From what I can tell, having had three different units from serial numbers ranging from 300xxxx, 303xxxx, and the ever-popular 3056xxx series, the spots that appear like lubricant have decreased. The dust remains problematic. Strangely, some of the debris appears to have an irregular pattern on some pictures. Yes, I tried blowing out the camera. Yes, some of the dust moves around. Yes, I could swab the sensor, but why? It is brand new. Should I need to do this immediately? I wish Nikon would update their instructional materials to mention that they could not keep their assembly line and distribution system clean, so you will need to clean up your camera thoroughly yourself prior to use. I would even feel better if they included a cleaning kit. Then I would not feel bad.
I really like the D600 better than the D800. I would like to see the D600 be successful, but until Nikon takes some pride and admits that they have an issue, I would not recommend anybody buy the unit. I finally moved on to a D800. Yeah, I will likely have dust, but so far in two days of using it, I do not have any problem with 1200 photos taken. Same lenses by the way from the D600.
The bigger issue separate from the fact that the D600 is clearly not doing something right, is that Nikon is stonewalling. Someone should record a conversation for playback on a comedy channel "we have not had any other complaints on that sir", "we are unaware of any issues", "no, nobody has sent one in for that". The list goes on.
As for the sites with the "gurus" that report that they have their D600 and they have no problem, or they cleaned it once, and the dust has not returned, wow, you are so fortunate. Of course, I must question the validity of their experience. If I did not see that convenient link to the vendor who is supporting their website/paycheck right next to the article that claims it is a great camera without any problems, or the problem is overblown, then perhaps I would believe them. The reality is that the D600 is a lower cost, great FX camera that will sell well given the recent bundle deal. Some people will see that great little review, feel warm and fuzzy, and then click on that link that generates revenue for the guy who owns the website.
I am not going to feel bad about not wanting to keep an expensive camera because it is essentially dirty. I am also not going to feel bad about returning a defective product. In about 4 to 6 months from now, I will look at a D600 again. I think it is better in many ways to the D800, but that is another conversation. Great camera, poor quality control at Nikon.