I would like to get some opinions on image sharpening from the D800 products especially since it is such a high resolution camera. I have no experience with Fx camera until this camera having used Nikon's D100, D200 and recently D300.
The images are high res NEFs; where do we set the radius and other parameters in general; I not looking for specific numbers
David: I keep a relatively low salt diet as am trying to keep HTN away. But keeping all pun away, my images are crystal clear with the D800 when I don't mess up. My understanding is that a fair number of raw images need some sharpening. If the procedure for sharpening them is no different than other images then we are set. Gorji ------------- Please visit my galleries: Reza Gorji Photography
I don't have my D800 yet, so I can't make direct recommendations.
I do know when I went from a D700 12Mp FX to a D700 16mp DX that I significantly reduced the sharpening level in CNX, but use higher threshold numbers and fairly low radius. So instead of, say, 35-4-1 on the D700, I'd start out with 15-15-1 on the D700. This is just a starting point for adjusting to "taste".
The same general principles for capture sharpening apply: higher intensity, lower radius settings for fine detail and lower intensity, higher radius settings for portraits and higher ISO images. Adjust until the image looks clean and sharp at 100% with no obvious halos. Beyond that, everything becomes specific to the software tool you're using.
I have very limited experience with my D800E. Based on that limited experience I find that if the main subject is in focus and not blurred due to camera or subject motion, there’s no need to sharpen, at least not beyond Lightroom’s default settings, which are quite modest. When I sharpen in LR, I begin by Alt-adjusting the mask setting to isolate edges, and then set the amount (30-100, higher amounts for higher mask settings/narrow edges), radius (0.7 – 1.5, the sharper the raw photo, the smaller radius) and detail, as needed. With the D800E, I used higher radius values, obviously because the pixels are smaller relative to the image size.
But really, I’ve had the D800E for about three weeks and I’ve mostly shot family gatherings. With aging female relatives, the biggest problem has been too much detail and sharpness.
I asked this question on another forum and was amazed to get responses from both Jeff Schewe and Eric Chan. I don't think it gets more authoritative than that. It esssence they said:
For input sharpening, continue to follow the standard advice to sharpen to taste at 100%. You will probably use lower settings than before, but you should still trust your eyes and your own sense of what looks right. If sharpening in Lightroom or Camera Raw, Eric Chan cautions that you should be more conservative with the detail slider.
For output sharpening, nothing new is needed if you print from Lightroom (which has smart output sharpening built in) or if you use a photoshop plugin like Photokit Sharpener. Otherwise, I guess you will just have to make some test prints and see what works best.
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OK, I have a stupid question... I am seeing input, output, export (and maybe an import too), and I am not clear what these terms mean. I would think that the image is sharpened in one step, if more was done, I would be concerned that there was processing going on that you couldn't control. I usually (so far) just use the sharpening step in NX2 and leave it at that.
The question is, what is input and output (and whatever anyone else wants to call it)? Or maybe just point me to a tutorial somewhere that talks about and defines it.
I'm still learning about this (as can be seen from many of my posts!), but here's what I've gathered so far (at least the basics...):
1)Input/import/capture/pre sharpening: mostly designed to adjust for the effects of anti-aliasing filters in NEF files (this is done more or less automatically in jpg rendering, with more control the higher end the camera). LR has a default setting for RAW files.
2) Creative: to adjust specific areas depending on the image...
3) Output/export: additional last-step sharpening geared toward the target medium -- web requires less than printing; glossy requires less than matte paper...
Hopefully the OP won’t mind me reviving this thread with a question of my own re: sharpening and the D800…
I’ve been seeing a lot of phenomenally crisp and sharp images being posted that were taken with a D800: are these coming off the camera in NEF anywhere near that crisp, or is there usually (or maybe even *always*?) some degree of sharpening going on (capture and/or output)?
I know I’ve got a bit of a learning curve ahead of me with technique (with both my 7000 and 800), but I can’t seem to get anything anywhere near that sharp off the camera with either camera, even using the 14-24 and 24-70 f/2.8s in LV on a tripod at f/5 or 8 with a remote trigger (trying at various zoom ranges)… If I’ve done everything else right/optimally, post sharpening can snap them up nicely (I’ve been trying out both LR4 and Nik 3.0), but sharpening seems to be a “must” to get there.
I have not used any sharpening except the default in Lightroom until I export the final image. The default on my Lighroom settings is 25 for amount and detail with a 1.0 Radius. I have made 30" prints from my photos and sharpening them never crossed my mind.
And for most shots of women I have been tuning the clarity down.
I will add my own findings here. With my previous camera the D700, I use to import all my photos into lightroom 4 with presets. The presets included portrait or standard picture controls, contrast tweaks and sharpening. The sharpening on the D700 RAW photos was easy, the preset was set at something like 30 for detail, 1.3 for radias, 30 for amount and 85 for masking. Very rare did I ever have to tweak the images any further. Then I got the D800 and my sharpening in Lightroom wasn't worth a flip. I have since made new presets for portraits, landscapes and standard but a lot of the time the sharpening needs an additional tweak. Now I'm not talking about a lot of sharpening, more like a slight enhancement, because the RAW files are very sharp to start with. I find that something like 40 detail, 1.0 radias, 25 amount and 90-95 masking to be a good starting point and then tweak it from there. Of course, everyone's taste is different and you may prefer more or less than me.