I just got my D800 after a 6 week wait from my local camera store. I upgraded from a D300. while it looks like a great camera I was disappointed in seeing that I can only adjust bracketing by up to 1 EV steps. For HDR I prefer to bracket by 2EV, I know I can do that by taking 5 shots instead of 3 but with 36MP I would rather not waste taking the additional 72MP. I know I can delete them in camera or after I download them but that is a pain.
Anyone else like to see 2EV steps in the bracketing? I would have thought that Nikon would have gotten this fixed by now.
If you use CS5 or CS6 to merge the frames, you will find having all of the 1EV increment frames good for selecting the ghost removal frame. Some ghost-removal frame selections will cause color banding or artifacts. I went from shooting 7-9 frames with a D300 to shooting 5-7 frames with the D800 because it has a higher dynamic range. I almost always delete or turn off the longest exposure frame due to artifacts, but I often use all of the rest.
You just simply have more choices when you get 1EV increment.
If you use Photomatix, it may not matter. However, I have found my results sharper with CS5 and CS6.
Having upgraded from D7000 to D800 I found a few disappointing
features, the lack of bracketing options was one. There is
almost no reason on a camera with this dynamic range to
bracket at 1EV intervals.
Also, the pre-sets are not very useful. For bird shots on my
D7000, I had the U2 selection on my exposure control set to
1/1000, S priority, variable ISO and continuous focus. If I
needed it quickly it was a simple twist of the dial. Any
changes made for the shot did not change the basic setting.
With the D800, every change made, changes the basic setting.
Also, it is a menu change. By the time the change is made,
the bird has gone.
A minor beef - I would have much preferred a dual or triple
memory card slot rather than a flash card slot. There doesn't
seem to be any advantage to the flash card and it is more
That's off my chest, now I will enjoy my new camera.
Hi Steve, Do you shoot your bracketed shots with one press of the shutter release or multiple presses (one press for each shot in the bracketed sequence)? If one press (does the entire sequence), how are you setting up the D800 to accomplish this?
>Hi Steve, >Do you shoot your bracketed shots with one press of the >shutter release or multiple presses (one press for each shot >in the bracketed sequence)? >If one press (does the entire sequence), how are you setting >up the D800 to accomplish this? > >Thanks, >Allen
Yes and no . If I use my remote shutter release, I set the advance to CH and then just hold down the shutter button one time. The camera will fire off the set.
If I'm not using the remote release, I'm either a) shooting at fast enough shutter speeds that I don't have to worry about camera shake and will just manually hold the shutter in CH. I do this a lot now that the auto align in Photomatix has gotten so good. b) use the interval shooting timer to have the camera fire off the bracket set with 1 sec between each shot. This works fine but there are a lot of button presses to enable the interval feature.
>If I'm not using the remote release, I'm either a) shooting at >fast enough shutter speeds that I don't have to worry about >camera shake and will just manually hold the shutter in CH. I >do this a lot now that the auto align in Photomatix has gotten >so good.
I have yet to use Photomatix, but holding the shutter release button down scares me a bit due to camera shake. I'll defer to your experience with it, though.
>b) use the interval shooting timer to have the camera >fire off the bracket set with 1 sec between each shot. This >works fine but there are a lot of button presses to enable the >interval feature.
Yes, I've seen this done by Trey Ratcliff using a D3x. However, he now uses a D800 and uses Self Timer (on the release mode dial). It is this that I thought you may have been using and was wondering how you set it up.
(In case you're wondering, someone has already written him, asking how he's doing it. No response yet.)
I have just started playing around with my D800. On my D300 I would turn bracketing and then change to continuous high so I could capture all frames with one click. I have played a bit with assigning the function button so that when I press it and the shutter it fires off a burst of the bracket shots. I think I may like that better. I moved the menu item for this feature to my menu as I also like to display the virtual horizon.
The biggest problem I have shooting HDR is forgetting I am bracketed when I want to take a single shot. Having the camera set to continuous shooting helps with this problem.
Another trigger option is a wireless radio trigger. Yes, I use the cheap Chinese ones (I think I have the photix brand), but this way I can trigger external flashes, and can also use it to trigger the camera shutter for self portraits (ie playing around), as well as for bracketing - and I can stand pretty far away if I want, or even get in the picture myself. A transmitter + receiver can cost below $100.
>I shoot HDRI a lot for my special FX work .. best solution I >have found is using the Interval Timer Shooting.
Yes, in researching this, I found Trey Ratcliff making use of the interval timer mode. He was using this on his D3x. However, in one video, after getting his D800, he said that using self-timer was much easier and quicker than having to 'push all those buttons for interval timer'. I believe his button pushing sequence (for interval timer) was to highlight interval timer on the menu and then press: 'right, left, up, OK'. Don't quote me on this.
I've found that along with changing the delay of the self timer, you can also alter the number of exposures it takes. If you set it to 5 for example and the enable bracketing of 5 exposures, you can take all of them with a single press of the shutter button. Maybe that's what Trey is doing. Only problem for me is I sometimes shoot 7 or 9 exposure brackets so I have yo remember to change the timer as well.
D800 and a bunch of glass that cost way more than my wife thinks it did.
>I've found that along with changing the delay of the self >timer, you can also alter the number of exposures it takes. If >you set it to 5 for example and the enable bracketing of 5 >exposures, you can take all of them with a single press of the >shutter button. Maybe that's what Trey is doing.
Yes, after much experimentation and manual reading, I've come to the same conclusion. That is, to get bracketing to work with a single press of the shutter-release button in self-timer mode, you must set c3>number of shots to the same number as the number of shots in the bracket sequence. And, like you, I feel that this is a rather 'weak' work flow as it's easy (especially in the heat of battle) to forget to set or change c3>number of shots, not to mention this does not address mirror slap (which you may or may not be interested in dealing with). If so, you need to: a) Set d4 (Exposure Delay Mode). or b) Use Live View.
So far, I've found several (4 or 5) methods to accomplish bracketing on the D800. However, I have unfortunately NOT found a way to get it to bracket by more than 1EV.
>I've found that along with changing the delay of the self >timer, you can also alter the number of exposures it takes. If >you set it to 5 for example and the enable bracketing of 5 >exposures, you can take all of them with a single press of the >shutter button. Maybe that's what Trey is doing. Only problem >for me is I sometimes shoot 7 or 9 exposure brackets so I have >yo remember to change the timer as well.
My setting are for timer: 5 sec - 2 shots - 1 sec. b1 to b3 set to 1/3 Bracket set to 9 shots with either .3 .7 or 1
press shutter release button once and D900 takes 9 shots in single picture mode.
>I was disappointed in seeing that I can only adjust >bracketing by up to 1 EV steps. For HDR I prefer to bracket by 2EV...
D800 Manual, Page 135: "The camera will vary exposure and/or flash level shot-by-shot according to the bracketing program selected. Modifications to exposure are added to those made with exposure compensation (see page 130), making it possible to achieve exposure compensation values of more than 5 EV."
I haven't played with this at all, but it might enable you to do what you need.
Not at the moment Brian, but I can tell you for a fact that I looked at one of the sets i took last week and the top end was indeed +1.67 ev. I don't know why - maybe it was at the top of the shutter speed range and locked at ISO 3200 on Ap pref., but whatever the reason, I have seen this a lot of times. Have you ever examined the exif on all of your brackets? Do you know for a fact that it has been exactly what you set as the gap?
Brian, I am in error. I went back and looked at a set of brackets very early this morning and found exact numbers in the exif data (-2, -1, 0, 1, 2). Then I went into PS and did an HDR merge using three of those 5 and found the following EVs in the PS tray: -2, 0, +0.36! I have no idea what is going on there but I think it is where I got my misconception. In fact what I said earlier about being at the limits can't be true because it was on the high (over exposed) end of the range that I thought I had seen the flaw. There is no way I could less than fully exposed at +2 (if it were the -2 it would be believable since I approach 1/8000 sec more readily than I approach 30 seconds)!
Thanks for chiming in, and also ignore my first comment about the out-of-whack EVs.
Wed 23-May-12 11:14 AM | edited Wed 23-May-12 11:17 AM by laddad
Yes, I too was upset to find the the new D800 will not bracket in 2EV intervals. I'm into VR360 shoots. When I make one of these panoramas I'm forced to shoot 10 positions with 5 images at each position. If I have 2EV bracketing I would only have to shoot 30 images. It is a royal pain to remove images not needed. My expensive solution was to buy on ebay a used "Promote Controller". I now have almost unlimited backeting capability but I had to pay $180 for this feature. If you do much HDR and deal with a large number images consider the Promote Controller. It is fantastic. Nikon could have made this much easier if they had better bracketing capability.
The camera captures the images. You simply have to delete a few in each set if you don't want to use them. I am happy the camera captures at 1EV increments. I would not have it any other way...and it is definitely a pro body. DxO rates it higher than any camera, including the D4. What more can you want...maybe a Canon? Go figure.
>Put it on your wish list for the D900...and good luck with that.
Whether they offer it in a D800 firmware upgrade or on D900 or never, has nothing to do with the utility of the current feature, which is what we're discussing here.
Apparently you don't know this, but there is precedent for Nikon correcting brain-dead features with software releases (and yes, the current feature is brain dead!) Specifically they did, after years of customers complaining in forums like this, eventually fix the minimum shutter speed setting in aperture priority auto-ISO, which on all Nikon cameras used to have a range of something like 1/60" and slower. If you use auto-ISO with long lenses, you may not be aware that the reason you have useful settings for this feature is because of people like us complaining. Search the D300 forum you'll find lengthy discussions just like this one, with some users pointing out the uselessness of the feature, and others who didn't get it, arguing with them. Eventually Nikon woke up and fixed it for the D300, as a firmware release!
Since this problem has been around since the beginning of time with Nikon cameras, I'd not hold out much hope, except that they seem to have woken up and provided the people what they want with the D4, there is perhaps a chance. Obviously this is a firmware fix, and they've done this before.
The part I don't get about the arguing, is the the people who bracket 1EV won't be affected at all. It seems they just like arguing.
>>I am happy the camera captures at 1EV increments. I would >not have it >>any other way > >I cannot agree with that. How about the ability to set the >interval in 1/3 stop increments up to 2EV? Then you can have >your 1EV and people who want 2EV can have that too. > >Larry - a Bay Area >Nikonian >My >Nikonians gallery>
> "I am happy the camera captures at 1EV increments. I would not have it any other way...and it is definitely a pro body."
Yes, you can keep only the odd-numbered shots and delete the even-numbered ones, but you still have 1/2 seconds (two shots @ 4fps) between kept frames, and with fast-moving subjects or clouds, HDR software may have problems merging the shots. With 2EV gaps the complete sequence could be captured in half the time.
I think i am very late on this , as i joined Nikonians back after many years . While the 1ev bracket & discard what you dont want is ok with Tripod shooting , what about hand held HDR , esply where u r not allowed to use a tripod. In that case the 3 shot 2 EV bkt becomes mission critical. Can you imagine i bought the DF for almost this feature only ( apart from being compact for travel +...) . Cant Nikon release a firmware update to sort this out, is this being planned