I pre-ordered from B&H on day 1. I think that B&H must be getting a lot of questions from everyone that pre-ordered the camera because I keep getting unsolicited email messages from them saying that they have no idea when they will receive cameras nor how many.
Has anyone else heard anything from their retailers yet about their pre-orders?
I spoke to Grays of Westminster in London three weeks ago and they advised that they were expectingnthebfirst batch on the 22 March (today). They mentioned they had received approximately 380 orders. Regards Tom
Price and Availability The Nikon D800 will be available in late March for the suggested retail price of $2999.95.* The D800E version will be available in mid April 2012 for a suggested retail price of $3,299.95.*
Have there been any ship confirmations from Crutchfield yet? It sounds like some small local stores and perhaps amazon is starting... just wondering who else has started to distribute the first shipment. thx bg
Well.. I ordered a D800e from Adorama last week. I have no illusions of getting it before August, but if I do I'll just allow myself the pleasure of being surprised. Meanwhile, I'm still very happily using my D3x while I wait.
It's hard to say exactly where I will fall on the list. I've been on their list a long time - far preceding announcement of specs. The biggest question is the size of the allotment. It appears that the D4 and D800 allotments are larger than normal based on retailers looking for more customers.
The mess with all the pre-order stuff is that many people are on more than one list and the cancellation rate is pretty high. I'm on one list for one camera.
I am only on the B&H list too. I guess that once things start to ship, it will be interesting how many people cancel their orders and such. But with B&H, I believe that they put a hold on your card's available balance for a pre-order. So you have to be pretty serious to pre-order from them.
>I am only on the B&H list too. I guess that once things >start to ship, it will be interesting how many people cancel >their orders and such. But with B&H, I believe that they >put a hold on your card's available balance for a pre-order. >So you have to be pretty serious to pre-order from them.
If you're a US customer and you pay with a credit card we place a lien which should expire after approx 72 hours.
I talked with B&H last week when I called to cancel my order for the D800e and change it to a D800. B&H told me that the date of March 22 seemed to be the day they expect to have the cameras ready for shipping but they have no idea how many units are coming.
He also said the preorder list for the D800 was a lot larger than for the D800e, and said he would not be surprised if it took until mid April to send me mine. BUT, he said no guarantee on any of that, as they really do not know at this point.
I noticed B&H removed my 'pending charge' on my credit but did not show a pending charge to me (yet) for the D800. I did get a confirmation on the order change and also ordered a BM-12, which is also on back order. Perry
Best Buy always seems to come up with a good early allocation. Small dealers certainly will get an allocation but who knows how many. In the US, minimum volumes are required to maintain access as a dealer. A lot of the small guys are no longer able to get product.
>What about retail stores ? Will they have it in store the >same time the online retailers get theirs ? ************************************************************************
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but is not B&H Photo a store front business? Yes, they do online and mail order too, but I have dealt with them since 1975 and they were a store then, and I am under the impression they are a store now.
If you mean by 'store', such as Ritz, Walmart etc, I would be surprised to see the D800's in those retail stores on the same day as larger camera retailers such as B&H, Adorama, Amazon etc. But then, what do I know? A couple more weeks and that question may be answered. Perry
I am pretty sure that B&H still has a storefront. I think that a lot of small stores will get their first D800 for sales on day 1 (3/22?). But that the smaller stores may only get 1 D800 where the larger online stores will get many more. Its just a guess on my part, but I do not think that Nikon allots all cameras to just the biggest stores.
My D3S came in to a 'small' shop in Minneapolis at the same time B&H received theirs. Nikon doesn't cater exclusively to big retail. They make sure their product is represented very well by local shops.
The status here in the UK can be judged by the following message I received from Grays of Westminster (UK main dealer for Nikon) "We are expecting our first shipment on 22nd of this month. We have very high back orders and Nikon are unable at present to tell us what our first allocation will be. If you have not already placed an order you may have a wait of some months. This is just a conservative guess on my part".
Looks as if we will have plenty of time to find the cash.
I placed my order for a D800 with a local dealer, my name is on the top of the list as I was the first one in the store the morning after the D800 was announced, so I am very happy to know I will one of the first in my city to receive a D800 once it comes in . I cant wait !!!!
>I placed my order for a D800 with a local dealer, my name is >on the top of the list as I was the first one in the store the >morning after the D800 was announced, so I am very happy to >know I will one of the first in my city to receive a D800 once >it comes in . I cant wait !!!! **********************************************************************
Be sure to tell us the very day you get yours so we can see if you are indeed the first, or maybe the second, or maybe the ten thousandth person to get delivery! Ha-Ha! Nikon Corp must be soaking this stuff up right now. perry
Mike, Hi.... I'm sure it'll be as good; maybe even slightly better? It's just that the D700 does a great job for me right now, so quite happy to stick with what I've got (for the time being anyway lol).
>>I placed my order for a D800 with a local dealer, my name >is >>on the top of the list as I was the first one in the store >the >>morning after the D800 was announced, so I am very happy >to >>know I will one of the first in my city to receive a D800 >once >>it comes in . I cant wait !!!! >********************************************************************** > >Be sure to tell us the very day you get yours so we can see if >you are indeed the first, or maybe the second, or maybe the >ten thousandth person to get delivery! >Ha-Ha! Nikon Corp must be soaking this stuff up right now. >perry
In the world I will probably be around number 500 000 ...lol In my city I should be one of the very first since I know for sure I am on top of the list for pre orders and there is only about 2 stores in my city selling professional Nikon equipment. I will be in my car to go pick it up 30 seconds after they call me to let me know its there
I didn't order until March 6th. Someone from Cruchfield called me to verify my order. She told me that I was #74 on their backorder list and that they will only receive 24 on the first shipment, but the second shipment is 60 - so I'll get mine with their second shipment. (whenever that is)
Tue 13-Mar-12 01:34 AM | edited Tue 13-Mar-12 05:41 PM by RRRoger
I heard on Nikon Rumors (95% correct lately) that the D4 boats & planes have already left Japan and are expected to arrive in Europe by the 15th of March. If the D800 is in the same shipment I may get a "Hands On" comparison this week at my local camera store here in California. I have a low light Event Saturday the 17th and need a High ISO camera to shoot Horses in the indoor Arena. So if only the D4 arrives in time, I will take it, otherwise I will wait for the D800.
Cliff Mautner has written about the camera from his first had experience using the camera in real-world shooting conditions. I am not sure that I would call it a review and I think that he might be paid from Nikon, although I do not know this for a fact. It may not be totally unbiased, but he does have some nice things to say about it. I value trusted photographer's opinions more than "lab" tests anyway.
But you are correct in that there is not enough quantitative information to make an absolute judge of the quality of the camera. This will come in all forms in about 2 weeks I suspect. We will hear the "this is the most overrated camera" to "this is the best camera ever made" by many once they people their hands on them.
>Quote We will hear the "this is the most overrated camera" to "this is the best camera ever made" >by many once they people their hands on them. <Quote<<<
I was recently turned down on the sale of my D5100 by someone who found it to difficult (technically) to shoot. Those who cannot master the D800 will probably call it "overrated" or something like that. It is way too much camera for most photographers.
Your skepticism about the D800, reflected in your numerous posts, is an attitude that you have a right to and can be justified by the absence of any, or sufficient, hands on reviews. That is all fine.
However, there is one piece of data that you are not taking into account. It is called, in the business world, "brand equity" or simply trust between producer and consumer. Before the D3 or the D700 came out there was an equal amount of "hype" as you call it, or positive expectation, excitement, etc. The same was true before previous generations of Nikon DSLRs. In each case, the expectations were either met or exceeded. I bought the D700 on that excitement, hype, etc., and I was certainly not disappointed. All of my expectations were exceeded.
Many of us have come to trust Nikon's engineers to come up with a next generation product that is, in fact, superior to its predecessor and at least meets our expectations. Perhaps you will consider that trust to be naive. That is fine. But, I for one, do trust that Nikon is sufficiently skilled and trustworthy that the D800 will not disappoint. In fact, I will put down a deposit now on the D900, assuming it will appear in four years, because I trust that they will make sufficient advances to make that a worthwhile investment.
We each require a different amount of evidence to make a decision. You certainly have a right to demand more evidence than I or others require. But understand that the trust we have in Nikon and the initial specs, and the initial reviews, is sufficient for the majority of us on this forum.
Larry, hi............ thanks for that contribution, can I just say that I don't doubt that the D800 will represent a technological advancement. Neither do I doubt for one minute that there will be future advancements.
I'm not here to argue with people and upset them, but these are discussion boards and all I'm saying is I very happy with my D700, trust it's legendary proven low light performance and am therefore happy to stick with my D700's for now.
I actually enjoy a good debate and that's what is going on here. I'll continue to watch with interest and who knows, may well upgrade sometime in the future. Have a nice day
A good and friendly debate is all well good. But the discussion of "hype" really has little to nothing to do with the topic of this thread, which was to discuss the experiences of people who pre-ordered the camera to see what their vendors where telling them and to attempt to guess when the pre-orders would begin shipping. I think that we have solved this mystery until either orders start shipping or March 22 comes and goes without any shipments.
I don't blame anyone who has a D700 and does not feel the need to upgrade now or after the reviews are in. The D700 was and always will be a great camera.
Hey Perry, Some people have waited simply ages for the much anticipated D800 launch, don't stiffle the debate LOL. In the end I opted for a second D700 body. In fact it's due here today! No regrets, I don't need a video camera
The one thing I have noticed about new cameras and lenses is that right before the new equipment is released there is tons of blog posts, forum post and so on saying that this new piece of equipment that is about to be coming out is just not going to be as good as the old one for whatever reasons but then you do a search for that same piece of equipment 6 months after it has been released and then all of a sudden its the best thing since sliced bread.
I am 100% confident that the D800 is going to be better in almost every way than any camera nikon has released to date (except for the D4) ... the question is "if you need to upgrade or if your current camera is more than good enough for your type of photography" !
Nikon will not wait 3 years to to release a camera not as good as something designed 3 years ago.
Yes, most people dont NEED a 36mp camera but there was just as many people saying the D7000 had to many mp and in 2 years from now we will say that we dont NEED a 50mp camera, but those buying and using the D800 will soon learn how to handle the camera and take superb photos with it and then go out and buy a second D800 because the D900 is just not going to be as good as the D800
I am not directing this at anybody personally, its just that there is not a camera forum on the internet right now where half the people on there is not saying this exact thing about the D800 vs the D700.
I have to say I agree with you..... the only point I was making has been overlooked along the way; that chasing MP's is not the Holy Grail of photography; if it was.... then the D4 would have more than 16.2 Mp?
I agree that MP's are not everything. Personally, I'd prefer to buy a D4. But at twice the price, I think that I'll live with a D800.
I got a bit excited this morning, albeit premature, because I saw an e-mail sent to me from B&H saying that camera was in stock. But when I looked at it it was just for a d5100 that I put on a wish list. I do want to get a small DX camera for walking around shots. And I like the articulating screen idea for using live view on ground level shots. If there is one thing that I am disappointed with about the D800, its that it does not have an articulating screen.
>I have to say I agree with you..... the only point I was >making has been overlooked along the way; that chasing MP's is >not the Holy Grail of photography; if it was.... then the D4 >would have more than 16.2 Mp? > >
I totally agree with you, and the only reason why I am not ordering a D4 but a D800 is because of the $6000 price tag. Now if the D4 was $4500 max then I would have opted for the D4 and not the D800
Watching with 'ENVY' is not going to help you at all. In fact, ENVY is what drives most people who must be the first to receive something. A human trait with a lot of us. . Yeah, someone somewhere always has to be the first to receive. That feeling lasts a single millisecond, and then the feeling is gone.
You will get the same jolt out of opening your D800 box regardless if you are the first or the ten thousandth, so don't worry about it, it is on it's way. Perry
True ! but I would like to be one of the people to receive a D800 in the first batch because that way I have a month or so to learn that camera in and out before wedding season starts here, if I can only get one in the second batch of orders going out I might need to wait another couple of months which does not leave me any time to learn this new camera.
My D800 arrived at the store on March 22 and I picked it up this afternoon.
According to the store manager, they're expecting another shipment next week (all spoken and paid for), and at the rate they appear to be getting D800 deliveries, it will take six to eight months just to fill the orders they already have.
In fact, Mike thought it would be easier to get a D4 before you could get a D800.
I placed my pre-order at 8am on Feb 7th (?), the day it was announced , with B&H. I checked B&H this morning, still showing "Expected Availability March 22nd". My CC has not been charged, and my "Backorder" status has not changed.
Curiously, Amazon is now showing "Temporarily Out of Stock" this morning, when it had shown availability as "March 20th" yesterday.
Wed 21-Mar-12 11:00 AM | edited Wed 21-Mar-12 11:02 AM by RRRoger
>My new pipe dream is B&H calls " hey next week we >can ship a D4 at the same price instead of a D800 because >nobody is buying the D4 , would that be OK " > All right I guess Hey a guy can dream <Quote<<<
I am an Event Photographer, if the the D4 was not double the price of the D800, I would buy it instead.
So, I am thinking, get the D800 now, and if it can not handle the stills, get a used D3s also for nearly the same total cost. I will probably keep the D800 for video and Landscapes and if it can handle low light Events (I shoot at 4fps anyway), I will get a D800e also.
Being first in line for both, I hope to get "Hands On" tomorrow. I called my dealer yesterday, and he hasn't a clue whether they will get anything from Nikon this first go around.
Checked with B&H just now. They said that the first set will arrive tomorrow and they will ship them. They do not know the numbers though. They said that an email will go out when the order is confirmed.
Yeah, I think we will be looking at April 17th as the next possible day you can expect a delivery on your doorstep from B&H. I don't think Nikon will be shipping any more product until at the earliest April 2nd, and B&H will be closed starting April 6th.
Spoke to my local shop, said they got 5 today (into a list of 150)... that is all I know but nice to hear that at least some started to land... and if a small shop got some hopefully we will see the bigger shops release some today...
Side question, wonder how many people really only have 1 body on order? I know in situations like this some of us launch multiple orders and create artificial demand... will be interesting to see how it plays out
I just came from my local store where I ordered one and where I am No1 on their list ... but they told me their their store might not get any tomorrow at all and that bigger cities are getting the bulk of the available D800's I hope they are wrong and that I will be getting a call tomorrow that they have received at least a couple.
I don't doubt what they told you. However, being that B&H is one of the bigger stores in business in NYC and the internet, I can't understand why Nikon will not deliver to them until next week. Stores in Oklahoma City are getting D800's and D4's delivered!
Checked with B&H today. They told me that they received very few cameras in today's batch. I had booked at 11am on 2/7. I was told that I might have to wait up to 2 months, worst case, to get it. It depends on how many they receive in each batch.
>Checked with B&H today. They told me that they received >very few cameras in today's batch. I had booked at 11am on >2/7. I was told that I might have to wait up to 2 months, >worst case, to get it. It depends on how many they receive in >each batch.
Definitely surprising that B&H did not get at least 25 if some smaller local stores got 4. Between that and the Passover, I'm not happy I ordered with them. Honestly, I thought that they would get more. I should have just ordered locally. But I don't think that I am going to change lists at this point.
>Passover, I'm not happy I ordered with them. Honestly, I
Over the years I keep getting irritated with their holidays, then I come back to them being otherwise very honest and easy to deal with, and I guess it is a tradeoff.
But it's not like they hide it and people get surprised.
It's Nikon that I am irritated with, they are managing this whole enthusiasm taking a page out of Apple. They knew exactly and precisely how many they were shipping to every venue days if not weeks ago. They could have just let everyone know, in every venue. instead they are just using the hype to build more enthusiasm, just like ipad-mania.
I again say I think some of us are the ones creating the hype here. B&H, as well as many, many camera dealers are Jewish and they celebrate their Holidays as does everyone, in their own way.
The real reason some of us are so dis-satisfied is because we built up our expectations too high. Simple as that.
I am not dis-satisfied myself and have decided after thinking it over I may just cancel my order for the D800 if it is not delivered by April 15.
What the pre-order drag out does for me is cause me to further consider if I really want to spend $3000 for a camera I really may not want or need.
So, come April 15, I will possibly call B&H and just cancel my order, then wait for a year to see how happy buyers are with this camera.
The price in the future can do nothing but go down and since I have a D700 already, I am beginning to think.....Do I really want or need an 800? Thinking things out is always a better path for me. Perry
Several Best Buys near my home have them. However, they will not let me buy them online and let me pick it up. They will not ship it too. You have to go and buy it, if available. They sell warehouse items online, it is not in their warehouse. They have a strict separation of their warehouse items and store items, never the two shall meet. Best Buy said that the store managers decide if additional orders must be put in.
I am getting tired of this. I guess only some companies are like Apple, having a superb selling chain. Nikon has messed up big time, no one knows when the next shipment will be, how much etc. How can a generic store get so many cameras and not a store like B&H? B&H said that the earliest for getting the next shipment will be in two weeks (assuming that they get it). Since we have Pesach from April 6, the earliest we can get from B&H next will be April 16 (assuming that they have enough).
I just called Adorama, after not seeing any rumors about them here. Am I the only one buying from them? Anyway, they told me I was at the top of their list, but that they had not received any as of today, and that Nikon had just told them that it might be until the end of this month, or beginning of April before they see any. How is this reasonable with a lot of smaller stores getting them? Weird.
I guess they know that they will sell a lot to Adaoram and B&H no matter what. So they make the smaller stores happy with this one. If I had known this, I would have supported my local store and ordered from them.
> >I guess they know that they will sell a lot to Adaoram and >B&H no matter what. So they make the smaller stores happy >with this one. If I had known this, I would have supported my >local store and ordered from them. *************************************************************************
Then you would pay sales tax. Here in Texas that would be....let's see..... $247.41. Are you in that much of a hurry? Perry
3. Do I owe tax on goods purchased via mail-order catalogs or Internet merchandise? Yes. A seller who uses catalogs or the Internet to sell goods is treated the same as any other seller of taxable items. If you purchase merchandise through a catalog or the Internet from a seller located in Texas, you owe Texas sales tax on the purchase. If you purchase merchandise through a catalog or the Internet from a seller located outside of Texas and use the taxable item in Texas, then you owe Texas use tax on the purchase. An out-of-state mail-order company or an Internet company may hold a Texas Sales and Use tax permit and collect Texas tax. If the out-of-state seller does not have a Texas permit or does not collect Texas use tax, the use tax is due and payable by the purchaser.
I aint no lawyer, but i suspect even in Texas you have to pay sales taxes for internet sales out of state.
Fri 23-Mar-12 10:44 AM | edited Fri 23-Mar-12 10:46 AM by piniongear
'You obviously are not from Texas'... as Lyle Lovett would say. We do things differently here and collecting sales tax on out of state purchase is not one of them. No state income tax either. Best of all Texas is a RED state. Perry
Fri 23-Mar-12 11:02 AM | edited Fri 23-Mar-12 11:20 AM by DVDMike
I said that out of state retailers are generally not required to collect taxes but the purchaser is still responsible for paying them. And according what I am reading on your state's comptroller's own web site, it would appear to me to be contradictory to what you keep stating. Can you point to any official documentation anywhere that says that Texas residents do not have to pay sales taxes on goods purchased from out of state retailers? If you can, this might be helpful to the other Texas residents of this forum who are abiding to this apparent requirement. If not, why do you keep repeating this apparent inaccuracy?
Are you saying that the Texas comptroller of Texas accountants is inaccurate? Is it a typo on her web site? Or, am I just misinterpreting her statements on her official web site wrongly?
"If you purchase merchandise through a catalog or the Internet from a seller located outside of Texas and use the taxable item in Texas, then you owe Texas use tax on the purchase. If the out-of-state seller does not have a Texas permit or does not collect Texas use tax, the use tax is due and payable by the purchaser."
Perhaps what we are missing here is action by the state. By that I mean.... If you run a red light in Texas you have broken the law. If the cop sitting at the intersection decides it is not worth his trouble to stop you..... you get no summons to court. Have you broken a law? Yes. Is it enforceable? No, not in this case because you were not pursued.
So Texas does not pursue it's residents over paying any sales tax. The only place we have to pay sales tax is when an online merchant has a brick and mortar location in Texas. And in that case, it is the merchant, not the state who imposes the sales tax charge.
A number of states (Kalifornia among them) are desperately trying to change this. Amazon is a prime example of a merchant who is fighting such a change, and I support them 110% in that.
B&H sells to me from New York with no sales tax and in most cases these days....no shipping charge either. This is a great advantage to me over buying local. It is a great disadvantage to a local merchant of course, but that is business. Support your local merchant if you like. If they wind up like Borders Books and countless others then so be it.
I am done with this discussion. I am approaching the time where I will soon be done with ordering a D800 from B&H as well. Planning to cancel on April 16th. Perry
IIRC this is a common occurrence at first release that the big retailers have large pre-order lists to work their way through. It takes time to work this out. Nikon has always been fair to smaller/local stores to make sure each gets at least some. So I don't see this as different or a special problem or some kind of shortcoming on Nikon's part unique to the current status of D4 and D800. Discussed many times here over the years.
Maybe the unique part, for the D800 anyways, is the high level of pre-ordering. So the "usual problem" might be more acute than normal due to the fact this looks like a great camera!
My local dealer did not get a D3 for 3 or 6 months after the initial release while there were plenty of D3's at B&H, and I had to get one from them. So no, this does not always happen with Nikon. I got D2h, D2x and D3 all from B&H long before my local dealer even had their first on each of these releases.
>Anyway, they told me I was at the top of their list, but that >they had not received any as of today, and that Nikon had just >told them that it might be until the end of this month, or >beginning of April before they see any. >How is this reasonable with a lot of smaller stores getting >them? Weird.
It is neither reasonable or true (unless Nikon is a bit behind schedule). More likely, you were just given the standard line designed to reset your thinking to month end in the store's effort to get you and many others to stop calling and bugging them about delivery dates over which the store has no control whatsoever and about which it has no real reliable information with respect to delivery volume from Nikon.
People stand in line for $700 iPad tablets, and when the inventory runs out wait patiently thereafter for weeks and weeks until their names come up on the order list at the Apple Store (or wherever). The early acquisition of a D800 will likely be a similar sort of process (although none of us have to stand in line in the rain or snow at a non-existent Nikon Store).
As of 7:25am today, my B&H order is still in "Backordered" status.
But, I remember back a few years ago I ordered a new D200 and never got any confirmation from B&H that it had shipped. One day I arrived home from work to find a UPS label on the door. I retrieved the package from the apartment manager's office to discover it was my D200. B&H was still showing no shipping on that camera, despite the fact I had it in hand. So, it would not surprise me to see this happen again. Maybe wishful thinking, but I would not be surprised if it happened again!
Fri 23-Mar-12 08:42 PM | edited Sat 24-Mar-12 12:13 AM by santiagodjs
>Wow, every pre-order was granted to Ritz? That is hard to >believe...
New here and keeping an eye on how the preorder stuff is working out for everyone. I don't post, I usually cruise the forums reading insight and opinions. I just had to add my order situation to this thread since Ritz is being added to the conversation.
I preorded mine from a local Ritz Camera store on February 22 (2 weeks after the annoucement).... The store gave me a courtesy update call yesterday (3/22), payment was processed, and I will have it in my hands by Saturday.
Since I am getting my order after preordering so late, it may be very well true that Ritz got all of thier orders filled.
>So, I am watching the local Best Buys and maybe Ritz Camera >for a D800 in stock. When I get one locally, my B&H order >will be cancelled. I am begining to doubt B&H can >deliver.
B&H is one of the largest Nikon dealers in the entire world - larger than some chains. Speculation by a so-called Ritz associate about how much of his employer's overall order arrived and what pre-orders were filled is just that - speculation. Musings, elsewhere in this thread that Nikon might be "teaching B&H a lesson" (or words to that effect) because of B&H's periodic retailing of imported Nikon bodies is baseless. B&H makes enormous amounts of money for Nikon, and Nikon USA is not about to bite one of the hands that feeds it.
What you can be sure of is that all NPS orders will be filled first and that the lion's share of shipments in some regions (but by no means all regions) will go to NPS first.
Nikon has cranked out something like 50,000 D800/800E units for the first worldwide distribution even though it should have shipped something closer to 300,000. Problem is, after being devastatingly hit in both Japan and Thailand (where plenty of small parts are manufactured for later assembly in Sendai) during 2011, Nikon is still nowhere near the overall production capacity it is trying to rebuild. Nikonians were warned repeatedly in many other threads over the past 10 months that this would be the case. For any of us to wonder now at the wait time for a D800/800E pre-order is unrealistic.
Simply wishing away the effects of devastating natural disasters doesn't work. Deliveries worldwide of D800/800E of the February and earily March pre-orders is going to take months (after all NPS D800/800E and D4 pre-orders have been given priority). Some consumer pre-orders have been delivered - several hundred in Canada so far.
Unless you are saying that the person on this thread is mistaken who said:
I preorded mine from a local Ritz Camera store on February 22 (2 weeks after the annoucement).... The store gave me a courtesy update call yesterday (3/22), payment was processed, and I will have it in my hands by Saturday.
Your "musings" B&H is one of the largest Nikon dealers in the entire world - larger than some chains. Speculation by a so-called Ritz associate about how much of his employer's overall order arrived and what pre-orders were filled is just that - speculation. is also simply speculation.
I like others in this thread ordered from B&H on 2/7, two weeks before the guy who claims that he ordered his from Ritz on 2/22 and he is getting his today? So muse all you want about B&H, there has got to be some reason why Ritz pre-orders are being filled before B&H's. Surely there must have been more than a handful of Ritz orders and they are not all weighing in on this thread.
Admittedly, my comment about why Nikon may be rewarding others is pure speculation and has no basis in fact. And I thought that went without saying. But there has to be a reason why orders from Ritz 2 weeks after orders from B&H are being fulfilled, including the guy here who says he ordered at 7am.
Just to be clear your musing about Ritz people speculating and about how B&H will get their fair share before Ritz is also speculation.
And I don't think that anyone is arguing that Nikon's manufacturing capabilities are lower than demand either. I for one, was certainly not expecting my pre-ordered camera to be delivered to me on day 1. Nor was I expecting it to be delivered ahead of NPS members. Since Best Buy has had them on store shelves already, I think that we can assume that the NPS deliveries were met in the first batch, so that priority is no longer slowing up any one else's order either.
I am on the west coast. I contact Ritz, Wolf, Best Buys, and my local camera store. None of them have a clue when the first D800 will arrive.
I think B&H is filling NPS orders first (if they have any cameras) and not telling anyone. Those orders are supposed to have the Pro's name and address on them. So maybe B&H's first allotment are being shipped direct from Nikon.
I am first on both lists at my local camera shop. Yesterday, they told me my D4 is on the way (still no clue about the D800). They found out by checking their shipping notices from Fed-eX. They did not get a letter, call, or email from Nikon.
If they are doing this ... i'd be infuriated ... not because the Pros are getting preferential treatment ... but because B&H is not disclosing this policy to the ams like myself. Had I known that B&H would take 5 times longer to get my camera, I would have definitely just gone to Best Buy. ___________________________________________________________
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It's not B&H's policy, it's Nikon's. NPS members have priority at every store. The local Best Buy got 2 D800 cameras, one for display, and the other was reserved by an NPS member. Next shipment in a month.
I am someone that has a pre-order with B&H for the D800. I placed my order on the first day. I understand somewhat about supply and it is limited at first but mostly what I am frustrated about is the lack of communication between NIkon and B&H and me. Mostly between B&H and me tho. B&H should not be taking orders on end -- promising something they can not deliver. Also they should be up front with the consumer about where on the list they are and what might be a realistic delivery date. Should I be looking somewhere else? I did call the area Best Buy and Ritz Camera stores. Supposedly there is no store from North Dakota to Kansas to Iowa to Montana that has the camera -- yet. I sure would like to understand the distribution.
Sorry, just frustrated and would really like some real information.
It is indeed frustrating. Instead of B&H I should have gone to the local Colonial Photo Hobby in Orlando, who received their shipment of 12 on the 22nd (all pre-sold). I was told by local Best Buy stores that only Miami area received D800s In Florida.
Just to update my earlier post about ordering from Ritz on Feb 22:
I thought I was going to pick up our preorder from Ritz Camera today, but unfortunately UPS does not deliver to the store on Saturdays. I will be able to pickup by Tuesday. I also want to clarify that I did not place a Ritz online preorder; I did a walk in order and was #6 on that particular store's list.
I will admit that I keep pinching myself because I can't believe that I am somehow getting a camera from the first batch after placing an order so late. But I know its happening for three reasons:
1. The courtesy call I received prior to CC charges. The Ritz store called me on the morning of 3/22 to let me know "Your camera is in our warehouse waiting to be shipped, we just need to process the charge."
2. My bank is showing a charge of $3141.00 to Ritz.
Im back with Nikon after a five year stent with Canon & Canon CPS you can walk into best buys in sarasota, FL and buy a D800 like I did the only thing your paying tax. The D4 I was available from a local camera store here that had this one available for sale so it was a good day. All the best, Mike
Sun 25-Mar-12 06:47 AM | edited Sun 25-Mar-12 06:48 AM by armullis
This is so frustrating. I searched online all day yesterday for any Best Buy from Tampa south for a D800, and none of the stores showed a D800 in stock. I called three Best Buys here in the Tampa area and none said they had one in stock.
But a guy in Sarasota (50 miles south of Tampa) walks into a Best Buy and bags one.
>This is so frustrating. I searched online all day yesterday >for any Best Buy from Tampa south for a D800, and none of the >stores showed a D800 in stock. I called three Best Buys here >in the Tampa area and none said they had one in stock.
THeir user web sites are not showing them. Go into the store, and when they say "no" ask if they will use their employee system to check inventory in surrounding areas. Encourage them to check widely not just in that city. When I got mine, he had to go separately into each area (district or something like that) and saw a matrix of stores and on-hand. But I checked with my android and the same stores showed the link to check on hand non-functional.
OK, well, I planned to hit the local Best Buy this morning at 11am when they open and see for myself.
I think you hit the nail on the head....the online "on-hand" inventory is not working. Only an in store search will reveal the truth about stock on hand.
I just searched using the zip code 34205 (Bradenton, FL) and it turned up nothing with-in 50 miles. Sarasota is just 10 miles away, and one guy found a D800 in a Sarasota Best Buy yesterday. I did the same search yesterday from work and came up empty too. So, something is not working right for Best Buy's web site.!
What is worst, not finding a Best Buys with a camera listed? The internet showed my local store as having one in stock. They not only did not have one but said they did not even plan on carrying the D800. Then the third employee I talked to ordered one special and said I would get it next Friday. Keep looking, even ask someone else at the same store, persistence pays.
>Another shipment? Has anybody actually received a D800 from >B&H at all yet? Was there a first shipment? > YES! NPS took them all and probably the next one too. My guess is: When the clerk says they did not get a first one, what he meant was they were all shipped directly to NPS.
OK, so I went out on the "Great D800 Hunt" today! Here is what I discovered from visiting 4 different Best Buy Stores in the Brandon, Bradenton, and Sarasota Florida areas;
1. No store is big enough to carry the D800 EXCEPT the following two stores;
Tampa (Dale Mabry) St. Petersburg
2. If the camera is listed on their web site, they expect to have it in stock in 2-3 weeks (according to one sales associate in the Sarasota Store on Tamiami Trail)
3. I also visited the Wolf Camera Store (Tamiami Trail) in Sarasota. They told me that they don't expect the first stock for either the D800 or D4 to arrive before "mid-summer", which they believe to be July.
So, I can not substantiate anyone's claim that they actually bought a D800 from any Best Buy Store in Sarasota. I appears to be highly unlikely that ever happened, unless we aren't being told the whole story!
I just visited both Best Buys in Sarasota and they told me that they have never carried the camera in store and never would! Even Wolf Camera on the Trail told me they didn't expect to see the first D800's or D4's until July.
Sun 25-Mar-12 05:32 PM | edited Sun 25-Mar-12 05:34 PM by chiefmasterjedi
This whole B&H thing has left a bad taste in my mouth. I normally buy everything from Adorama but B&H (B&S as they are known now!) were first to put up the pre-oreder so I went with them. I'm not annoyed because I didn't get or am I annoyed at the NPS guys getting theirs first. I'm annoyed at B&H for the lack of communications with their customers. All they had to do was send out an email stating that their first shipment went to NPS and when their next shipment "might" be. Just anything from them would be nice instead of me wondering whether I should go somewhere else to get my D800.
I'll never deal with them again. Common courtesy doesn't cost anything but it's surprising who can't afford it!
One over thing, I have been using the best buy API and it does show D800's still out their but I know the one nearest me is being used as a in store display model. The search on Best buy's website doesn't work but the API does work.
I couldn't agree with you more! I just put am email into a camera store 40 miles from where I live to see if they have any unclaimed "pre-orders". They are closed today, but Monday is a new day. If I can bag a D800 or even a D4, I will cancel my B&H pre-order. B&H will probably never get my future business.
And you have to be recommended by another NPS member and make a living through your photography. But Nikon won't publish a list of NPS members so if you don't happen to know a NPS member, it is impossible to become one. I tried a few years back and got nowhere. Its a catch22 situation. So I really wonder how many NPS members there could be because its private club.
>This whole B&H thing has left a bad taste in my mouth. I >normally buy everything from Adorama but B&H (B&S as >they are known now!) were first to put up the pre-oreder so I >went with them. I'm not annoyed because I didn't get or am I >annoyed at the NPS guys getting theirs first. I'm annoyed at >B&H for the lack of communications with their customers. >All they had to do was send out an email stating that their >first shipment went to NPS and when their next shipment >"might" be. Just anything from them would be nice >instead of me wondering whether I should go somewhere else to >get my D800. > >I'll never deal with them again. Common courtesy doesn't cost >anything but it's surprising who can't afford it! > >
I'm not aware of any store in the US that would meet your criteria. Are you? Did any store send an email that NPS members have priority? Is there any store that had precise info of how many cameras they would get in the first shipment, and therefore would have been able to determine how many would be available for non- NPS customers? If you know such store, could you let us know?
Sun 25-Mar-12 10:28 PM | edited Sun 25-Mar-12 10:30 PM by chiefmasterjedi
Other outlets gave updated ETA's on their sites. Your smart comment doesn't really make you any smarter. I never had a criteria for what a store should do but I had an expectation of how business should be done. Is this how you treat your customers when they are waiting for their images or do you try and let them know when to expect them?
Stores don't give out information they don't have. Best Buy's nonsensical efforts to update/not update their D800 inventory estimates are less interesting for the inaccuracies than they are for the futility of even trying. Nobody should allow themselves to be overcome by some sort of anticipatory frenzy or to express anger at a situation over which a retailer has absolutely no control. Expressing anger and a derisive attitude towards otherwise excellent retailers doesn't help get your D800 into your hands any faster. B&H, Adorama (and plenty of other retailers throughout North America) aren't updating their web sites or pre-order accounts because they have no reliable information from Nikon or its distributors to pass along. B&H and Adorama (among other generally excellent retailers) have been doing business worldwide and in the U.S. in particular for generations. They know how to communicate with their customers. Problem is right now, there's nothing to communicate.
Just because someone has heard a rumor that Nikon has shipped cameras doesn't mean that his camera is in the shipment. Could that be why the web sites aren't being updated? Because the orders aren't in yet? Seems obvious to me.
I can guarantee one thing though. If any of is repeatedly and insistently calling a retailer (or several retailers) over and over again in some sort of misguided effort to force them to reveal the presence of D800 cameras (which they don't actually have yet), sooner or later a frustrated and harrassed salesperson or rep is going to say something positive just to shut us up. When that particular nonsense is then eructated on this forum, more rumors abound. My advice to anyone waiting for a D800 is forget about it, go about your normal daily business and trust that the phone call or email notification will come in due course.
We've been predicting elsewhere on Nikonians for upwards of 8 months that Nikon would be cranking out the pro bodies first in order to get those bodies into the hands of pro shooters well in advance of the London Olympics. That is exactly what is happening worldwide now. So what does that mean to anyone who has read the forum threads about this? It means that NPS and other accredited pro orders are being filled first! What else did anybody think would happen in each region? That doesn't mean that every region has NPS or other pro orders to fill - which is obvious because some non-pro Nikonians have already received their orders.
Nikon is producing tens of thousands of cameras per month, but pre-orders are in the hundreds of thousands worldwide. Nikon, in the face of such huge demand for the D800 and D4, and still ramping up production in the partially rebuilt aftermath of the awful 2011 disasters in Japan and Thailand, is doing its best. Nonetheless, it's going to be months before any sort of store inventories exist, and correspondingly, several months before all pre-release pre-orders are fulfilled. Believe it.
Nobody should allow themselves to be overcome by some sort of anticipatory frenzy or to express anger at a situation over which a retailer has absolutely no control.
Who are you to tell people how they should live their lives? If someone wants to get themselves into a frenzy over a camera or anything else, what business is it of yours?
We had a guy who posted in one of the Best Buy threads who called Best Buy on Friday to find out that there were only a few cameras in a store two states away and he got in his car and made the 4+ hour drive and was able to buy a D800. Who are we in the forum not to tell people to do these sorts of things? Who is it hurting as long as they report accurate information?
To state that retailers have no control is really naive. While they may not have much control over how many models that Nikon ends up sending them, they must be sending Nikon some amount of quantity that they are willing to take stock of. And they can certainly make their pre-sale policies clear. If NPS members jump ahead of the pre-sales list, they should state this whenever people pre-order Nikon products. Customers are assuming a first come first served approach. I don't understand why we should not hold our retailers to a level of communication where they inform their customers of the policies that they are following. These forums are a great place for customers to share their experiences to make sure the retailers are being fair.
I have dealt with B&H for many years and I have learned to understand (or so I thought) their policies on such items. But this item appears different to me. In the past, I think that there was some sort of limit that they would impose on pre-sales before they would not let anyone pre-purchase the camera. But even though they are listing the D800 as on back-ordered status, they are continuing to take pre-sale orders up to this moment.
And I have been aware of the NPS issue for quite some time. But the average buyer of a D800 probably was not. Why can't B&H simply state that they are fulfilling Nikon's requirement to fill NPS orders first instead of leading their pre-order customers to believe that there is a first come first served policy regarding pre-orders? And with their communication with me on 3/18/12 they clearly stated that they update me.
My advice to anyone waiting for a D800 is forget about it, go about your normal daily business and trust that the phone call or email notification will come in due course.
With any new hot product, cameras or toys or whatever, there are many people who just "cannot wait" to get their hands on one. If they want to do everything that they can to try and get their hands a D800 as soon as they can, do you really think that they are now going heed your advice just because you posted it here?
I started this thread so that I could attempt to see what other B&H or other pre-order customers were hearing from their own retailers about the shipping dates of their cameras. I don't take issue with anyone who cares to share actual information what they are hearing from their retailers. If someone wants to call up Best Buy and make a 4 hour trip to buy a camera that may or not be there when they arrive, so be it.
pro bodies first in order to get those bodies into the hands of pro shooters well in advance of the London Olympics. That is exactly what is happening worldwide now. So what does that mean to anyone who has read the forum threads about this? It means that NPS and other accredited pro orders are being filled first!
I think that I remember hearing this same sort of thing when I purchased my D2x. I had a camera just a few days after the official launch date while others were waiting some time and I was not NPS. The same thing applies here. If Nikon was really making sure that all NPS orders were being filled first, they would not be shipping cameras to Best Buy for just anyone to walk in and purchase off the street. If so, where are all of the NPS members of this forum who have yet to receive their body and why are they not complaining that Best Buy customers are getting their's first? They would have given more to B&H, if we are indeed waiting on NPS orders to be filled first, before Best Buy had any. So these statements are simply your "musings" (as you like to put it) and have little basis in fact. Again, please reconcile the NPS first policy with the Best Buy reality or stop harping on the NPS first policy as any reason for people not getting their cameras from Nikon. Personally, I am going to call B&H tomorrow and find out for myself if they are still try to fill all of their NPS orders or not.
I never said I was angry or that I was in a frenzy. All I asked for was a email of some sort giving me some sort of information as to what was going on. I have not even called B&H nor do I intend to, and after reading several comments on here and other sites, it seems that B&H are giving different stories to every caller.
I guess I came to the wrong website to show some enthusiasm for a new Nikon product.
Mon 26-Mar-12 01:38 AM | edited Mon 26-Mar-12 01:40 AM by TomCurious
> I never said I was angry or that I was in a frenzy. All I >asked for was a email of some sort giving me some sort of >information as to what was going on.
I have placed my D800 order with B&H on the night of Feb 6th, right after the camera was announced. Aside from the order confirmation, I have received this email from B&H on March 18th:
Thank you for your pre-order of the exciting new Nikon D800 digital SLR camera. We know you're excited about this camera and we're as enthusiastic to get it to you as you are to receive it.
This moment we do not know how many cameras we'll receive from Nikon USA nor do we know the exact date we'll receive each shipment from them. As this situation evolves we will update you with whatever information we're able to share.
Your patience and patronage are both greatly appreciated. Thank you.
I have every confidence that this information is accurate, and that B&H did not have any additional information that they were withholding. So I don't know what else they could have done. The NPS allocation is beyond their control. Aside from NPS, they will be filling orders as product comes in, strictly in the order they were placed. They do not know how many cameras they will get and when they will get them, so they cannot predict when each customer will receive his. I think this is all that can be done, by any vendor.
I don't think that you came to the wrong forum. This is the forum for Nikon lovers after all. I think that there are several well meaning posters here who want to stress that it will take a long time to get all of the pre-orders filled. And yes we know that. But then there are others who are inflaming the situation with postings that add little insight and contain no real inside knowledge whatsoever. The B&H customers know what has been communicated to them and what was promised. I've received 4 e-mail messages from B&H and I know exactly what they say.
Other than a couple of posts from people who said they would never do business with B&H, I don't think that people here are bashing B&H or anyone else. It is certainly within their right not to do business with B&H if they don't want to.
The fact is that I have communications from B&H saying that they planned on being more informative to me. The people who say not to blame B&H for being helpless in the matter are mistaken.
The truth be told, B&H like the other big stores, just doesn't know when they will be shipping to most on their list, and therefore emailing those who preordered with meaningful information is unlikely to happen at this time. As is typical of Nikon USA in the last couple of years with the pro DSLR's, the stores don't know when they are getting new stock, and how many they're getting with any shipment, until it's been shipped to them. I wouldn't be surprised if Nikon USA doesn't know precisely what they're getting in advance of shipping notifications to them from Japan. Nikon is trying to spread the new DSLRs around and no one can fathom their allocation formula.
I think we're seeing a lot of people who are cranky as they realize the presale was so huge that it will take quite some time to get each of the preorders fulfilled while there will be some in some stores. Enthusiasm wanes as the length of the wait grows.
>We had a guy who posted in one of the Best Buy threads who >called Best Buy on Friday to find out that there were only a >few cameras in a store two states away and he got in his car >and made the 4+ hour drive and was able to buy a D800. Who >are we in the forum not to tell people to do these sorts of >things? Who is it hurting as long as they report accurate >information?
There is nothing wrong with this of course. But the fact that one can obtain a D800 via a 4 hour drive to another state, but not currently from B&H's preorder does not make B&H a bad dealer as was implied in another post. Quite the opposite, in fact. If the D800 was readily available in local stores, yet people would still be waiting for their B&H order to be filled, then I could understand the dissatisfaction with B&H.
Nikon Rumors (http://nikonrumors.com/) is reporting today that price increases for the D800 and D4 are hitting Europe. Something about "they screwed up" and now we consumers have to pay more.
Is it possible that Nikon is about to run up the price of the D800 and D4 in the US? Could this explain why virtually none of the non-NPS D800 pre-orders from major online retailers like B&H have been fullfilled?
They seem to have "taken care" of the NPS crowd with the first shipments to the USA. So, now Nikon stops shipments for its end of year inventory count, and watch what happens after April 1st!
After reading through the last 26 posts on this subject and reading comments from people who were over joyed just last week to be 'First on the List' to receive a D800........
I now hear some of those same people bad mouthing B&H and complaining about not getting their D800 'as promised', or more realistically saying....As elevated expectations on their part would indicate.... and now they are bitchin.
So this has made me decide to withdraw from this thread, as I do not want to listen to the bitchin going on.
I also want to save myself $3000, so tomorrow I am calling B&H and putting a cancel on my order for a D800.
I do hope this moves one of you closer to getting what you seem to want so badly, and good luck to you all.
I have also formed the opinion that this camera will not give me the bang for the buck over my beloved D700, and $3000 is a lot of money to me. It was fun while it lasted. Perry
>I have also formed the opinion that this camera will not give >me the bang for the buck over my beloved D700, and $3000 is a >lot of money to me. It was fun while it lasted. >Perry
While I have had a chemical engineering job the last 22 months, I am thinking I will hold onto what we saved. I was unemployed for 16 months prior to my current employed time and now have a stable job, but know how valuable money is to keep in the savings account. The camera is nice, but there are much more important things that will need the money in the future.
Shoot nature with respect and don't trample it or startle its inhabitants. :)
I thought you were already withdrawing from this thread when you said that you don't feel that you need to pay sales taxes in Texas for your internet purchases simply because there was no way you would get caught?
Hey its only a camera. Its not an iphone 5! Just use what you have until it comes. Its hardly any stores fault. After all last time i checked they make money out of every sale, so i am sure they want to sell them!
I want my D800 as much as anyone. I will just use what I have in the meantime.
Mon 26-Mar-12 10:26 AM | edited Mon 26-Mar-12 10:27 AM by mdonovan
I agree ... I am bummed by the delay ... but I understand it.
Now if the price goes up $500 ... I will be bent out of shape. My decision to make the move to this camera was slightly influenced by the $3K tag. I already sold my D300 in order to defray the cost a bit.
So now I am limited to the camera on my iPhone .. lol. Which btw is outstanding for what it is. lol. ___________________________________________________________
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. - A. Einstein
Quote>I agree ... I am bummed by the delay ... but I understand >it. > >Now if the price goes up $500 ... I will be bent out of shape. >My decision to make the move to this camera was slightly >influenced by the $3K tag. I already sold my D300 in order to >defray the cost a bit. > >So now I am limited to the camera on my iPhone .. lol. Which >btw is outstanding for what it is. lol. Quote<<< >___________________________________________________________
I agree too.
I think my D5100 is sold. Two of us are down to a V1 and D7000 for Event Photography. I may have to beg, borrow, or buy something else if I do not get my D800 before Easter. And a price rise might cause me to get a second used D7000 instead.
I just got off the phone with Robert's Photo in Indianapolis. I will not name the person I talked to, but he was sincere and very helpful. He said Roberts didn't even get enough bodies in to satisfy NPS pre-orders. But, he sounded optimistic that more were on the way in early April after Nikon completes their end of year inventory (which dovetails in with what I knew). So, he put me on the call list and said they would contact me if anything became available (sounds fair enough!).
I also called a local camera store here in Tampa,Florida, and they told me pretty much the same thing. They offered to pre-order for me with a 50% deposit and such.
Now, I did get an interesting response when I told the Robert's guy what B&H told me yesterday....namely I was going to be waiting until May (no date given). He said that sounded "far fetched" to him.
I finally got an email from B&H. It was the same generic one sent a few times before but at least they sent something. I don't intend to bash them anymore but I will be seeking alternate avenues to get the D800.
Like a few others, I too sold my main body (D700) and have resorted to using my wife's D70, not all of us can afford to keep two high end cameras. I have several photos shoots lined up in late April and a wedding on the 21st. So I may need to rent a body, plus I have a trip to England in May to visit my family which will include a few days in the Scottish highlands. This is why I'm so eager to get the D800.
I've also considered buying a D700 and a D300 and forget about the D800 for now, my images with the D700 were breath taking where IQ was concerned. Even the D3 can now be had at a reasonable price but I don't think I need the extra speed.
Now this is good information! From everything that I have heard, I think that Roberts is quite reputable and open with their customers. They had no problem telling you that they did not get enough bodies in to fill NPS orders.
This is helpful information to this thread on two fronts.
1) We now have confirmation that Nikon will knowingly ship orders destined for non-NPS sales (IE best buy) at the same time that that they ship to their NPS pre-ordered stores without completely fulfilling the NPS requests. And here I thought the rule was that Nikon would make sure that they fulfilled NPS pre-orders first? If I were an NPS member who was waiting for my body, I would be upset with Nikon.
2) We also have confirmation that there is nothing preventing authorized dealers from letting their customers know that they are still fulfilling NPS orders ahead of other pre-orders.
B&H has been saying repeatedly to me via their communications that they would update me with "whatever information that they are able to share". So certainly they could be sharing the fact that that have x number of NPS orders to fill ahead of mine. Please do not take this as B&H "bashing" as some have stated. B&H can practice business any way they wish within the law. But consumers do not have to like it or keep quiet about it either. Now why can't B&H simply state that my order is behind NPS orders if this is the case?
>1) We now have confirmation that Nikon will knowingly ship >orders destined for non-NPS sales (IE best buy) at the same >time that that they ship to their NPS pre-ordered stores >without completely fulfilling the NPS requests. And here I >thought the rule was that Nikon would make sure that they >fulfilled NPS pre-orders first? If I were an NPS member who >was waiting for my body, I would be upset with Nikon. >
Best Buy also handles NPS, like every Nikon authorized retailer. A local Best Buy here got two bodies, one for display, the other was reserved by an NPS member.
A local store owner has described his experience with Nikon as follows:
Nikon first does an allocation of camera bodies across authorized dealers. What formula they use for that, nobody but Nikon knows. But this allocation is not affected by NPS. Only once this allocation is done, NPS members get priority at the store they indicate. So a store will get X number of bodies, no matter if and how many NPS members want to get a body at that store. If a store happens to be popular with NPS members (i.e. probably B&H), then that will mean a longer wait for non-NPS members who have preordered there. If one finds a store where no NPS member has ordered, then all the bodies would go to regular customers.
Alas, it's impossible to know upfront which store will get how many NPS orders. Even the store owner does not know this until the shipment from Nikon comes in. NPS members place their reservation directly with Nikon. Once a shipment comes in and the store opens it, some or all or none of the bodies may have a name tag of an NPS member on it. The store must then keep those bodies for those members.
>...Only >once this allocation is done, NPS members get priority at the >store they indicate. So a store will get X number of bodies, >no matter if and how many NPS members want to get a body at >that store. If a store happens to be popular with NPS members
I think that explains a lot of the confusion. So you are saying that literally on delivery of the camera the store finds out how many were taken by NPS, they don't get a list of order-ee's ahead of time?
>I think that explains a lot of the confusion. So you are >saying that literally on delivery of the camera the store >finds out how many were taken by NPS, they don't get a list of >order-ee's ahead of time? > >How strange.
Yes that is true. The dealer said it is even worse than this: When he opens the shipment, camera packages have NPS member names on them, but no phone number. There were NPS members he doesn't know and never heard of. He has no way to contact them and has to wait until they show up to claim their camera. All the while their loyal long-time customer who have been on the preorder list are kept waiting. I think this is a practice that Nikon could improve upon. But in any case, there is nothing the dealer can do about it.
Thanks Tom, this clears things up a lot! If I had known this, I would have ordered on Day 1 with my local retailer who does not tend to have many NPS purchasers. I am sure B&H has tons of NPS purchasers. But I think that my odds might have been better to get one sooner if I ordered from my local shop. But who really knows.
The two best Buy stores that I visited who said that they sold 3 bodies each acted like the people who purchased the 6 cameras were all just regular walk in customers, not NPS orders. But your explanation accounts for this.
Again, if I were a NPS member, I would really be unhappy with Nikon if I placed an order at a best buy that got no orders in while others got 3 in and were not sold to NPS customers.
It was another Nikonian member who told me it would be faster to order from a local camera store, than B & H.
Bummer to be thinking now about changing from an D800E to the D800! I am second on list for the E....local camera store said I would be better off sticking w/ the E--would be later than June--in their opinion.
Aside from enjoying (envying) pix from new D800s, another bright side is I'm getting familiar (finally) with my D3s. That's me, just making lemonade while I wait (June-July?)
>Bummer to be thinking now about changing from an D800E to the >D800! I am second on list for the E....local camera store said >I would be better off sticking w/ the E--would be later than >June--in their opinion. > >For now, enjoying the photos from the new owner >
I went to my local camera store today to look at the D4 that came in yesterday. The one I had to pass on because I could not afford to pay for it. I put my 28-300 on it and CF card in it. All I can say is " a real picture taking machine" right out of the box. Seemed like twice as fast and much more forgiving than any camera I've used. Good new was that I had enough money for the D800 that came in today. I was first on both list. The store did not see it coming. No call, email of mail notice. No notice from the shipper either. They were kept completely in the Dark. No clue if they would ever get a D800.
I also put the 28-300 on the D800 and the same CF card. The pictures were blurred at the ISO 12800 I had used on the D4. When I got home I changed at least 10 setting and the performance is very much improved. The resolution is absolutely amazing and should be with 18MB JPEGs.
Just picked up the wife's D800 this evening from Rtiz Camera. I'm the guy who ordered 2 weeks late. Tom's info about Nikon's camera allocation regardless of NPS orders has got to be dead on as my local store was able to get wifey a D800 from the first batch. Our salesperson said there was only 1 NPS order from that store and the other 5 preorders they filled were non-NPS.
...Not the photographer, just a guy buying the gear for the wife....
Well... I ordered my camera from Samy's in California... and I'm on the east coast. They're like the west coast B7H. Free shipping and no tax. I can't get any info from them and so I wait like everyone else. Did anyone else order from Samy's.... ?
They might have received some, but as we discussed earlier in the thread, they might have all gone to NPS members.
I think that we just have to wait. If other dealers start getting them in and selling to no NPS customers, I may try to jump over to their list. But at some point, I would expect B&H to get some large shipments from Nikon, although it may be May or June.........
B & H did not charge my credit card for the entire amount of the D800. In the confirmation e-mail, it showed 2 charges...one for 29.85 and one for 3,360. Which of course looked to me as the total was just split. (2 day air, plus 3 year coverage, & D800)
Called credit card company and they only showed the 29.85 charge from B & H.
Called B & H. Very nice, but they had no reason why my card was charged today with that amount. So, to clarify---Customer Service said it is back ordered and they only got a "handful" so far. The rep did say that they heard from Nikon "by May".
So, I didn't get bumped up in front of anyone else--no worries!!
IMHO, B & H is using the month of May, so we will all be happy when we get it anytime before the Can only imagine how many calls they must get a day...
Until then, I will enjoy other Nikonian shots and continue to read the D800 manual!
Just got my email from Adorama "with a tracking number" for my D800!! With overnight delivery it is scheduled for delivery tomorrow. I placed my pre-order the morning of Feb. 8th. Since I am not an NPS, I think it is safe to say that Adorama has fulfilled their NPS orders and are now working down the regular list. I was looking for this kind of email the last few days and didn't see any so thought there may be others like me who are itching to know when the NPS orders are complete and us regular folks are getting shipped to. Looks like I sit by the front door all day tomorrow!
Sat 31-Mar-12 03:59 AM | edited Sat 31-Mar-12 03:59 AM by pete1961
Interesting, Since I placed my order with Adorama on 02/07/12 within an hour of them being able to be ordered. Nothing, just a notice last week it was still on back order. Not sure how Adorama is filling orders! Gives me pause about future business with them.
I do not know what happen, but I just picked up my D800 with my local Dealer here in Mexico City, we always must wait for the new Nikon stuff for about 2 months, because Nikon always supply the american market first.
As many of all of you, I placed my order in Adorama one Feb 8th, but I cancelled it yesterday morning. I wish you that all of you receive your D800 very soon.
I placed my order through the AAFES web site on March 5th. I received notification last night that my D800 will be shipped direct from Nikon on April 15th. Not too bad considering how late in the game I ordered.
Preorder my D800and MB-D12 on 2/8 @ 8am. B&H sent me three email saying they didn't know when I would be getting it. On 3/24 went to Best Buy in Roanoke, Va. Asked a rep to check inventory for the D800. None. He checked central warehouse inventory. He said they had plenty in stock. He said he could have it in his store on 3/30. On 3/28 got a call and email from BB. My camera was ready for pickup. On 3/30 contacted J&R in NYC. They had D12 in stock. Ordered overnight ($14.86). Got it 3/31.
I spoke with B&H today and they confirmed that they have worked through all of their NPS orders and they are working through the FCFS list now. Of course, they had nothing to say about how many items they will receive or when. So not much new information here except that we should start to see people who ordered first thing on 2/7 receive cameras as soon as they get their next shipment in as long as they are not closed for Passover.
Be sure to let us know when your D800 arrives. You have had quite a wait, as have others.
In fact I have yet to hear of anyone who ordered from B&H say they have received theirs. I know I never did. That is strange indeed and I do not really understand it. I thought surely by this time B&H would have shipped many of the cameras out. Perry
I am awaiting for the first Nikonian to respond here who has received a camera from B&H. I just wanted to know that at least I was no longer waiting behind NPS orders and that when they received another shipment that that I would be getting closer. With Passover, it may be quite some time before I will get a camera from B&H. But I will still be keeping an eye open at local Best Buys too.
I had my d800 preordered from B&H also. From everything I had been reading I knew it would be sometime before I recieved one. On the 22nd I took my trusty iPhone out, went to maps and searched camera stores in a 150 mile radius and began calling. I knew the chances were next to none, but what the heck. After about 10 calls, I called Vans Cameras in Akron, Ohio and asked. They said, well we just got one two hours ago. I asked if it was sold , they said no, and I grabbed my credit card and paid. They wouldn't ship it, so I went for a drive the next day. I'm sitting now on the beach in Cancun and I can say the camera is everything I expected and more!
I pre-ordered a D800 with B&H on 2/7 @ 6am. Still on "Backordered" status as of this morning. I hope B&H will do some shipping this week before they close on Friday. But, they are at the mercy of Nikon!
I cancelled my order at B&H today. The customer support person asked me why and I told that I got it from BB. He apologized and told me that B&H had given the number of orders to Nikon and they did not respond back about any details (when they will deliver etc). He also told me that he did not know why BB got it and B&H did not. He speculated that the B&H order might have been a much bigger one, thus getting pushed out. Do not see the logic in that, but I will let that pass.
I have perused some of the static and frenzy over the D 800. Interesting! Take a look at Thom Hogan's blog , he has an interesting explanation about the situation, I found it very informative, especially about US fair trade policies?
I just got home from picking up my new D4 from my dealer. I got some "intel" for you D800 Wannabes. Nikon is shipping out hundreds or maybe even thousands of D800's from Los Angeles Thursday (April 19th) to dealers nationwide. I was told to expect my D800 this time next week!
So, there is hope on the horizon!
Now, I am going to go enjoy my D4 for now. Maybe a trip to Ding Darling NWR is in order for this weekend!
That sounds encouraging. AAFES recently sent me an email telling me that my order had been delayed from 15 April to 5 May. Maybe mine is somewhere in that shipment. When ordering from AAFES the camera is shipped direct to the customer not a store or distributor.
I have a trip planned for the end of the month. With a little luck I can be playing with my new D800 while the wife visits with her family.
Awww shucks! I was so looking forward to bonding with the in-laws.
My west coast retailer who got my D800 today said it came from Kentucky where all Nikons come from. It was shipped last week ground. I assumed it would come from CA but not according to him. I also expected overnight to him but nope.
I'll have on Friday if UPS doesn't mess up.
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I'm not from OR. Steve is a good friend of my nephew and owns Leo's Camera which he got from his grandfather. It's been in the family for years. It is one of the last remaining 'old time camera stores' still operating. Since there are no deals on new releases I thought I'd give him the business. Support your local economy even thought it is not local for me.
And not that far from Tahoe. About a 5 hour drive. I almost took a trip to pick it up. I could have done some shooting at the Refuges near there. But biz gets in the way...
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Just got an email from AAFES saying my D800 will ship on or before April the 30th. I only ordered from them a few days ago. The camera comes direct from the supplier. Only bad thing is my CC was charged, and I may be over two weeks away from receiving it.
That is very interesting! I ordered mine from AAFES on 5 March. They initially told me it would ship on 15 April. Then, on the 15th instead of shipping info they sent me another email pushing it to out 5 May. Haven't heard a word since. My card has been charged since 5 March and is actually paid off.
If you get yours on or before 30 April would you let me know? I would like to call them and discuss the situation. I am not smiling right now btw.
I will call you. I complained about being charged before they knew they had the camera. That resulted in the April 30th or before ship date. Honestly, I will be surprised if they ship that soon. It comes from their supplier, so how they would know how many the supplier had for all pre-orders is beyond me.
I got a tracking number from Ritz camera, my D800 will be here on Monday. I ordered at a local Wolf camera store on March 23rd after realizing that B&S, oops I mean B&H, were going to have issues. I'll be calling B&H on Sunday to cancel my Feb 7th pre-order. I've still not heard of one single person (non NPS) getting a D800 from B&H yet.
Yeah, we don't know all the reasons why this has turned out this way. But B&H's reputation is degrading with many of us over this issue. They told me a few weeks ago that they did not have any more NPS orders to fill. So I am assuming that either they are selling in quantity to just a few people any stock received from Nikon or Nikon is not sending them any cameras. I have also added my name to another list.
Of course B&H can sell multiple quantities to a single user who will in turn sell them on E bay if they want to. This is their prerogative as a business to maximize their profit. But it is also my prerogative, as someone who has spent well in excess of $50,000 with them over the last 10 years, to think its a poor business decision to sell in quantity to a few while a product is on back-order. This prerogative is mine to take my business elsewhere in the future for all items that I would have purchased from B&H. B&H can become a boutique catering to just