Sun 22-Dec-13 10:46 AM | edited Sun 22-Dec-13 10:46 AM by GLOCKE12
Made the jump yesterday from a D7000 to a D800…Going in I knew the differences between the 800 and the 800E, but from what I had read at the time I would only notice these differences under optimal conditions.
Now I am sitting here second guessing myself and am wondering if I should have gotten the 800E.
Has anyone here purchased the 800 and regretted not getting the 800E?
My 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8 perform very well on the D800. The performance of the 14-24/2.8 is outstanding. Anyway, it is quite unlikely that even with these excellent zoom lenses you will notice an increase in sharpness by switching to a D800e. To get significantly sharper captures with either camera, you will have to use top level prime lenses. Sigma 35/1.4, Nikon 85/1.4 and Zeiss 25/2 or 100/2 are good examples.
No regrets on my part. I use the D800 for macro, landscapes, general stuff and some wildlife, although most of the wildlife is done with a D300s as I can't afford truly long lenses to use with the D800. I think the D800 is a great camera and highly recommend it.
I have a D300 and D800. In spite of the appearance of additional reach of the D300s you will find that the D800 puts more pixels (approx. 16 Mp) into its DX view than the D300s with approx. 12 Mp.
In addition to this, the extra dynamic range and high ISO capability of D800 allow you to shoot in considerably less light (or smaller aperture or faster shutter speed) than the D300s. My tolerance for ISO noise on D300 is about ISO 800 and on the D800 it is around ISO 2500 It is win-win all the way with D800.
I also prefer the larger viewfinder of the D800 with a long lens of 400mm or more. Although the subject appears smaller it is easier to find and track moving subjects with the larger finder. The D800 AF is also more sensitive and noticeably faster, in spite of having the same/similar MultiCAM 3500 AF module as D300s.\
In its favour the D300s has a brighter VF and the AF points are distributed more fully across the field of view.
Thanks for your comments. I'm well aware of everything you stated. I prefer the larger image in the viewfinder with the D300s compared to the D800 using the same lens, among other things this makes it easier to tweak focus if I need to.
hi Greg welcome to the D800 mob! Nice. you should have no regrets as you say you will be seeing most of your work on 5 x 7 prints. No difference!! if you did a lot of heavy cropping (which I dont) then you might see a difference but for the style of photography you are in to you made a great choice!! Now the hard work starts! Trying to get your skill level to match the camera! (we all have that problem!) Enjoy the D800. I have had mine for ages and love it. And I have really good glass for it.
Sun 22-Dec-13 07:46 PM | edited Sun 22-Dec-13 07:49 PM by tenorman
>Made the jump yesterday from a D7000 to a D800…Going in I >knew the differences between the 800 and the 800E, but from >what I had read at the time I would only notice these >differences under optimal conditions. > >Now I am sitting here second guessing myself and am wondering >if I should have gotten the 800E. > >Has anyone here purchased the 800 and regretted not getting >the 800E?
No regrets at all. The D800 sensor is a superb electronic palette...the D800E would not give me anything extra for what I shoot. I primarily shoot events, my D700 is my backup. As others posted, I use high quality glass and my photos are very sharp. Enjoy your D800!
I own a D800E and the auto focus quite working so I had to send it in for repair (see other thread for that). So I had a couple of photo shoots to do for some paid family (Christmas) pictures. I had a friend that would let me borrow a D300, but I wasn't sure I would get the results I'm used to getting with my D800E. So I rented a D800 for Borrowlenses.com for the weekend to do the photo shoots and take pics at my daughter's birthday party. Renting one also allowed me to see the difference for my self as well. After editing all the files, I would say if you are a pixel peeper, you will see some small differences. But unless you are cropping heavily and have a tack sharp image, at print sizes of 8x10(maybe even bigger) or smaller, you wouldn't notice a difference. Like I said, it's mainly at 100% on screen that you would notice any differences.
I will say, one thing that I did notice that is better with the None-E, is the fact that I did not see any moire' or false color specks that I normally see with my "E" in people's clothing. I know many people say there is no issue (which it really isn't), but it is the one thing I noticed more then the sharpness differences between the two cameras.
So, end the end, don't have any regrets with your D800, enjoy it and get some great images with it. Sharpness is not the "end all" to an image (something I've had to keep in mind also).
I have one of each. You can see the difference at 100% pretty easily, but if you know how to sharpen well, you can equalize the differences quite well. Even if you didn't do that, the differences are only likely to be visible in very large prints. Prior to me converting the D800 to infrared, I had my Lightroom defaults set up so that D800 images got different sharpening than D800e ones. That worked fine and images from both looked great.
I considered the differences between the D800 and the D800E and concluded that a 30x40 enlargement would probably show a difference but with smaller sizes no difference would be visible, so the D800 was my choice and the dollars saved were applied to a new lens. No regrets here!
"Great things are not done by impulse but by a series of small things brought together." Vincent Van Gogh
In 2012 I pre-ordered the D800 and had several months wait to think about my choice between the two. And I did a lot of thinking, like you. Ultimately, I went with the D800 because of the yet-to-be-proven concerns about Moire with the D800E. I think time has now shown that issues with Moire are nothing close to what some of the fears were before we actually got to put the D800E into daily use.
So, to be honest, if I had to do it again, I would probably go with the E,,, BUT,,, I have ZERO regrets about my D800. I love my camera, and am thrilled with everything about it. The images are stunning, and after using it for a year and a half now, I NEVER even think about trading it in for the D800E. Not a bit.
Both models are truly incredible - you can't go wrong either way. Enjoy that D800 - the images are going to blow you away!!
Greg -- Maybe it is just that I don't know what I don't know! But I am eminently satisfied with my pair of D800s. Would I be as as happy with a D800E? More than likely. Happier -- that's the part I don't know. I suspect I wouldn't see the difference, as I largely put the tripod away when I sold the speed graphic 45 years ago and chose the 35mm route, and shoot 99% of my photography hand held. Do I get the maximum resolution that way? Probably not. Do I truly care? No. Because I am getting superior results to any previous camera -- 35mm or DSLR. Today, DSLRs are fully the equals of the best films we ever had, with far greater capabilities at higher ISOs and much better scene brightness ranges. And optics are as good or better.
So -- I'm happier than a camel on hump day with my two D800s. No remorse.
FWIW, I went through exactly what you describe. Had the D800 for a couple months, the whole while thinking I may have left something on the table. I left it bother me...
After a couple months, sold the D800, which was working flawlessly, at a significant loss and bought the D800E.
If I could go back, I would definitely not repeat that mistake. The financial cost to change was significant and the difference in photo quality was not significant.
At the risk of ruffling a few feathers, for me moiré has been a problem, especially with close-up detailed songbird photography. Perhaps it would have been a problem if I had refined my skills with the D800 as well?? Moiré or not, the switch was not worth it.
When I first had the D800 and also had my D7000, I thought the D800 was the finest camera I have ever had and to a degree a lot of that attachment remains. However, I swapped the D7000 for the D7100 which of course has no AA filter and it was at this point I wished I'd bought the D800E.
Now, I have two excellent cameras, both afford superb imagery and although I still have very high regard for the D800, for landscape I feel the "E" version would have been the camera more suited towards that genre especially as I produce large prints.
After owning the D7100 for about 1 week..I was glad to purchase the D800E which I received today. No case of moire on the D7100. This is why I moved on to the D800E for a 2 hundred bucks extra. Bought all of my gear at B&H photo-NYC. Both had great package deals. (no lenses) Nice Bag-extra battery, tripod and Memory cards - Sandisk 16gig and 32gig Extreme 45mb/sec
It's pretty funny... I made many of the same arguments when I bought a D600 on sale instead of the D800e, that I really wanted. Got the camera, loved it as an upgrade to the D700 and was perfectly happy for about a week. Regret set in for no good reason. Finally got paid for a big job I did a while back and started looking at the D800 again. I found a pretty sweet deal on a refurb'd D800 and was all set to pull the trigger and then realized I had just gone through this. NOT again! I broke down and spent the extra money on a brand new D800e. Boy am I glad I did!
Now I've just got to decide which extra body to let go of- D700 or D600? The battery will end up being the deciding factor, I believe. Having three cameras that all use the same battery is pretty inviting. (D800e, D600 and Nikon 1 V1)