I understand that the charger for the EN-EL-15 will work with 220V but the power cord that comes with the usa is not rated for 220V. I would appreciate recommendations on where to get a suitable power cord.How do people deal with this when they go to Europe/Italy.
Fri 08-Nov-13 10:33 AM | edited Fri 08-Nov-13 10:38 AM by agitater
>Don't believe that is correct. My cord has big label that >says "US". I have read that these cords have burned >in Europe. The charger itself is OK but not the cord. Maybe >you were lucky.
It is correct. Tens of millions of travellers aren't wrong and neither are Nikon and all the other charger makers. Nikon makes one charger and one connecting cord for your battery, and that same charger and cord are pacakged with your camera model for every country into which Nikon ships and distributes the D800/800e. The only difference in any regional packages is the type of plug adapter that is supplied.
The wire gauges used in Europe, including Italy, are identical to the gauges used in North America. It is only higher current that demands heavier gauge wiring. The Nikon battery charger and its connecting cord are correctly designed and gauged for 110-220V and the amperage of the charger. All you need is a two-pin adapter to connect to a wall electrical outlet.
Anyone who claims that a typical mains connecting cord has burned is either lying, trying to scare people for fun, or was using a frayed or faulty cord and/or charger, or confused a bad wall outlet with a cord problem. Travel with your stock charger and connecting cord with confidence.
In any case, there is no such thing as a special 220V connecting cord for a Nikon charger. It is not needed and that is why it doesn't exist.
I'm based in Canada, but I've been traveling to Europe several times a year for almost 30 years. I and millions of other travellers to Europe use ou 110-220V sgavers, battery chargers, laptops, etc., etc., without any problems.
Have you ever seen the 18 gauge power cord for a Macbook Air laptop? It's very light gauge. But it is completely safe for 110-220V use with the Apple wall adaptor. My Philips shaver plugs directly into the mains to charge - no wall adaptor at all. The while world is travelling this way.
The Apple situation is completely different because there is no power cord between the charger and the wall plug. The Nikon situation is different because there is a power cord between the charger and the power. The issue is the voltage rating on this power cord. Why are you contradicting Nikon's own recommendation?
Good question. But I've never heard of anyone who bothered to spend the money on one.
The U.S./Canada D800/800e is supplied with a 110-220V charger and connecting cord. The charger and cord are tested by CSA and UL for the entire range of mains power for which the charger is rated, and that's why the charger carries the UL logo.
UK D800/800e packages contain either the exact same charger but with a wall adaptor only sometimes. Sometimes a power cord is included in the package, but there's still a wall adaptor as well. Same power cord.
It is only the charger that says it is UL rated. The power cord I received is made by a different manufacturer - Linetek- than the charger and does not have any association with the charger other than they were bundled by Nikon for the US cameras.
How do you explain that the power cord is clearly marked "125 volts"? At least that's what mine says. Maybe the Canadian version is different. If it says 125 volts it can't be approved for 220 Volts.
Your link says this: "Nikon battery chargers supplied with camera in Europe (or available as an optional extra) are multi voltage and can be used in any country where the power supply is between 100v and 240v".
Next: "Please note that the battery chargers models supplied in the USA may differ from those provide in Europe."
I am having a difficult time understanding this thread. I used my D800s charger with the supplied cord in Germany, Czech Republic, Hungary and Austria this past July with no problems. I just out a two pin plug adaptor on it. If you feel uncomfortable using the supplied cord use the US plug adaptor along with a Europeaan two prong adapter and plug it in. If you don't want to do that then plug the charger into a power 220-240V to 110-120V converter. Problem solved.
>The point is that the chargers are not the problem-they will >work with 220V. The problem is the power cord. The cord >supplied with the USA model is only rated for 125 volts.
The 125V stamp on the connector is for identification purposes only. The wiring size is identical for 220V at all amperages for which the wire is rated. It's a match for the charger and it perfectly safe when used with the correct wall plug adaptor and your Nikon charger.
By all means, buy the cord at NewEgg if you like. When it arrives, you'll see that the wire is exactly the same gauge and that the only difference between it and the cord you've already got is the molded, two-pin plug at one end for direct connection to European mains.
If you just buy an adaptor instead, you'll be able to use it to plug in your 110-220V phone charger and any other items you're travelling with that have also a 110-220V charger.
I might as well weigh in on this question also. I have traveled to France and Italy with my D90 and used only an adapter plug; ditto in NZ and AU. I am planning a trip to Eastern Europe with the D90 and D7100 and have no plans to buy a cord for the D90 (D7100 charger plugs directly into outlet).
Howard is right. Only an adapter is needed. Actually a 240V cable has to be increased in cross sectional area when using 120V in lieu of 240V as the current in amperes is doubled. A cord that is suitable for 120V can be used in a 240V circuit as the current running through has only 1/2 of the rated current in amperes were it 120V.
The comments you are making have to do with the power being the same and as far as that goes you are correct. However the dielectric strength of the insulating material is also an issue and for that, only the voltage is an issue, not the current. If the voltage is too high the insulation can break down and cause a fire. I believe that is why Nikon says not to use the US cord in Europe.
You should be concerned if the cable is rated @ 240V & used in a 120V circuit. The dielectric material used is only for a 240V circuit & the heat build up is greater when operating in a lower voltage such as 120V. In this case, you will be using a 120V rated cable. The dielectric material would suffice.
I don't plan to use the 240v cable in a 120 volt situation but I don't think it would be a problem. The power drawn is the same for the same load except for the I-squared x R losses which would be slightly more because the current is higher. Since this is such a short cable I think the heating effect will be minimal.
Just remember: P = EI wherein P=Power, E=Voltage, I=Current or: P / E = I If the P is constant, and the E is doubled, therefore I is halved. If the insulation is safe for 120V, therefore it should be safe for 240V because the amperage passing through it is even lesser.
>The comments you are making have to do with the power being >the same and as far as that goes you are correct. However the >dielectric strength of the insulating material is also an >issue and for that, only the voltage is an issue, not the >current. If the voltage is too high the insulation can break >down and cause a fire. I believe that is why Nikon says not to >use the US cord in Europe.
Steve - I'm not sure who or what you're quoting here, but it's not technically accurate. The voltage difference we're talking about here - on the order of 110V - is effectively zero when compared to the dielectric breakdown potential of the insulation. The U.S. and European cords that Nikon supplies with its camera chargers are identical except for the molded mains plug at one end and the little sticker that says either "US" or "EU". There's no difference in the wire gauge or insulation.
Nikon posts the sorts of warnings you noticed, among other reasons, to combat fly-by-night third-party battery and charger makers producing junk that finds its way into grey-market camera boxes.
Yes but this warning has nothing to do with the charger itself and here they are actually recommending buying a third party power cord rather than use the one that they supplied. They are doing the opposite of what you are suggesting. Must be for a reason.
The charger for the EN-EL15 is MH-25. This charger does not need a cable. There is a plug that is directly inserted onto the charger which was supplied by Nikon. If you are so worried about cables don't use it just use the plug which you insert directly to the charger. However, just buy an adapter for use in Italian power outlets. Insert that into the adaptor and insert the adaptor to the wall outlet.
For those forum readers now concerned about the dialectric breakdown aspect, a cable must be constructed to operated without damage or danger at three times its working voltage (dialectric withstanding voltage = 3 x working voltage). That would be 3 x 120 = 360 volts (the wire is designed for a minimum breakdown voltage of 480v actually, 360v is the 75% point).
The rated voltage for the cable that came with my US version charger is 300 volts, and for my Russia 230 volt mains charger is 300 volts. That means they both passed 900 volts for certification purposes. Actually, your US cord is overkill, and could be thinner to pass CE because that is rated at power and smaller wire in Europe is needed for a given power safety than in the US which requires higher current for a given power level. This is a complete non-issue created by the ambiguous text of the Nikon manual. If you saw the skimpy sized wire used for high power appliances safely you would forget the whole question. Just charge your batteries as normal and take, and post, lots of great photos of Europe. Stan St Petersburg Russia
> here they are actually recommending buying a third >party power cord rather than use the one that they supplied. >Must >be for a reason.
The reason is likely because your US spec power cord has a US spec plug moulded onto it.
Wall sockets vary in different countries so you have two options : 1) buy an adapter - most travel shops have a set of these in a pack - but they are not always well made and hence the reason for option 2 suggested by Nikon; 2) buy a new cord with correct plug moulded on it for the country you will visit
Regarding cable thickness : In the US where 110V a.c. is the norm, the current that flows to deliver power to the charger is actually twice as high as in a country where 220V a.c. is the norm. So there is no way that the copper strands in a cable specified for a 110V device will be undersized for a 220V device that actually requires less current for the same power delivery.
Now regarding insulation : This makes a barrier between you and the electricity for your safety. All standard cords have two layers of insulation between you and the metal conductor (wire). The first layer encapsulates each conductor individually, the second encapsulates the whole cord (this is the outer layer that you see). Usually the diameter of the conductors, voltage rating, IEC spec to which the cord is manufactured and the manufacturer's name is either printed or moulded onto the outer layer.
It is possible that Nikon supplies different cords in different countries and possibly even different cords with different batches of the same camera. For my camera supplied in South Africa where we have 220V-230V the cord info says it has 0.75 sq.mm conductors and is rated for voltage up to 300V. The moulded plug on the cord says it is rated 2.5 Amps and 250V. The MH25 Charger says it will draw up to 0.23A from a 100V supply and 0.12A from a 240V supply so you can see the power cable's current and voltage ratings both significantly exceed the rated power draw and supply voltage for the appliance.
If the information printed on your cord says it is only rated for 125V then theoretically, you should not use it it on a supply of higher voltage, because the insulation may not be suitable for the higher voltage for some or other reason. People familiar with electricity would likely smirk and use it anyway because they know that a safety margin is built in. However, if you are not familiar with related engineering issues then rather play safe and get a new cord when you get to where you are going.
Sat 09-Nov-13 05:49 PM | edited Sat 09-Nov-13 05:50 PM by ericbowles
I agree with the comments here that just an adapter is needed. I have been all over Europe with this approach and charged Nikon camera batteries, phones, and my laptop.
My approach is to use a standard adapter plugged into the wall. I use a small power strip from The Container Store to provide outlets for multiple devices and chargers. That gives me 3 outlets with one adapter.
If you are interested, you can always go to the Nikon EU or UK sites. Amazon.it is also a source.
By the way - why do you want a cord? The charger for the battery does not need a cord. It plugs directly into the wall or adapter.
Please don't worry about using these cables anywhere in the world. Number 18 American Wire Gauge is good for 2.3 Amps. The charger is rated at 21VA @ 100V and 28VA @ 240V (VA is Voltage x Amperage). That means 0.21A and 0.11A. The power usage is essentially the same so twice the voltage is half the current (amperage). I just read my Canadian MH-25, MH-26, and Rockfish power supply cable data. They are all CSA and UL rated at 300V. The Nikon are rated for up to a 60C (140F) environment and the Rockfish is 105C (225F). So don’t use them in a steam bath.
I would more worry about cold condition use. The outer protective coating can become brittle and crack. But anything above freezing should be ok.
If you are warm, comfortable, and dry, the cable is good to go.
I am coming late to the party. I agree that the only issues are those relating to the moulded on plugs that makers try to match to their markets. Where problems have been noted is when people buy totally rubbish adapters to match the moulded on plug to the local socket and non OEM after market chargers. Many makers have been plagued by this issue and people have been killed by the rubbish (I wanted to use a stronger word!) non OEM after-market chargers sold for electronic device. I think there have been two deaths in the UK alone this year due to faulty rubbish-after-market chargers sold for Apple devices. Note, this is NOT an Apple problem. Some cheap adapters have been known to overheat and catch fire because the design is wrong and the plastic used is illegal in most countries. Some rubbish travel adapters have been known to breakup and expose the user to mains voltages, not the best way to enliven your holiday. If you need a charger or adapter, buy a quality item from a reliable source, (E-bay may not qualify in many cases). Richard
I travel extensively in Europe. I have bought two cords for my battery chargers and laptops (they fit both). One is for England and the other for continental Europe (Italy, France, Germany, ...). The reason I bought them is that the adapters, while working fine, had a tendency to stay on the wall when I pulled the cord. I lost a few that way. With the two cords I never have that problem.
I bought the cords at "Gray of Westminster", 40 Churton Street, Pimlico, London. I do not want to advertised here but they are very congenial and worth a visit if you are in London. Their store is very small but they specialize in Nikon cameras and accesories.
This being said, the adapters sold by Radio Shack or such electronic stores are perfectly adequate. I do not know of any electrical problem with them.