I had my heart and mind set on getting a D800E. Then late last month, the plug was pulled on the $200 instant rebate for that model which reverted more or less to full list price which one can get about anywhere. The rebate for the D-800 however was extended through April 27th Go figure, why was that?
So now there's roughly about a $500 price differential. Is the 800E really worth it?
I've often read through the threads on various forums for the past month or two to try to learn, gauge sentiment and follow the issues. There have been those who migrated from a 800 to an 800E due to added sharpness which is the chief attraction for myself. However others chose the 800 and couldn't justify the extra bucks for the E. Maybe it depends on the quality of ones eyesight or your shooting technique.
There also seems to be more support for the 800's video quality. I have no way of verifying that. To my knowledge no local store carries them in stock, so I will buy one of the two sight unseen mail-order.
One poster suggested to take the $500 savings and use latter towards a lens purchase which makes sense. This will be my first FX body. Just picked up a 24-120 f4 a month ago. Most lens worth buying are a grand or two, so the 24-120 will have to do for now.
Being a regular B&H customer, maybe a manager could be persuaded to knock the 200 off but I'm not counting on it.
So bottom-line, does the lack of a AA filter & somewhat enhanced sharpness merit the difference? Is it really noticeable to the average shooter?
I'm torn, if the instant rebate was still on for the E, I'd go for it.
Is the E less liable or prone to issues or is it still the luck of the draw?
What considerations, factors and differences should be carefully weighed in order to make decision I'm happy with?
I changed my mind when I started seeing samples out there taken with the D800e and D800. I could see the differences but they were rather minor. And when you capture sharpen a D800 file you get very close to the D800e. Also the D800e starts losing that advantage as you stop down and becomes virtually identical to the D800.
The last thing was a realization on my part. All of my photography is for fun and 99% of the sharing I do is online. Once you downsize for the web pretty much any advantage of the D800e is negated.
The D800 is an extremely sharp camera, second only to the D800E, and of course to medium format large sensors, and much better in low light than medium format. You cannot go wrong with either the D800 or D800E, but I like many others have chosen that extra little bit of detail and sharpness over the convenience of less concerns over moiré.
Of course sharpening of the D800 will make it look very similar to unsharpened D800E output, but sharpening D800E output would give it a further edge also (for print). While it's true that sharpening is more necessary with the blurred output from antialiasing filters, I'm pretty certain blurring then sharpening isn't the same as never blurring as with AA filter less cameras.
To adapt a phrase, "Tis NOT better to have blurred and sharpened than never to have blurred at all."
I went for the E because the standard 2% rebate at bhphotovideo.com was 6% on the E, which comes to $198 or so toward future purchases. BTW, I just bought it last week, so the 6% should still be good. I don't actually have my D800E in my hands yet. Can't wait!
>I went for the E because the standard 2% rebate at >bhphotovideo.com was 6% on the E, which comes to $198 or so >toward future purchases. BTW, I just bought it last week, so >the 6% should still be good. I don't actually have my D800E in >my hands yet. Can't wait!
They have the regular D800 with a 6% reward too.
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>>I went for the E because the standard 2% rebate at >>bhphotovideo.com was 6% on the E, which comes to $198 or so >>toward future purchases. BTW, I just bought it last week, so >>the 6% should still be good. I don't actually have my >>D800E in my hands yet. Can't wait! > >They have the regular D800 with a 6% reward too.
Hmmm. I stand corrected. I don't remember seeing that. It would have been a harder decision if there was a $200 instant PLUS 6% rebate. Oh well, too late now!
I got the D800, because I was told it does better with video. Considering the difference with stills appears to be debated, I weighted my decision towards being sure that the video was good. Evidently the potential of moire is significant with video.
So far, I thing the stills are extremely sharp. What I might not know, might not hurt me though.
Scott Chapin Powder Springs, GA, USA Nikonians Team Member
I got D800e a year ago only because the wait was 1 week for it and D800 wait was 6 months. I ordered it in the same month it was announced. As far as samples I have seen to compare sharpness D800e is sharper but only in certain circumstances. Most likely you would not see the difference in everyday shooting. Actually you will not see the difference period because you would have to buy both cameras and compared them both side by side and you are not going to do that
>Under what circumstances was there a noticeable difference in >sharpness? > >Did it only occur when pixel peeping or could you see it >without zooming in? > >
Something has to be detailed enough like texture of the building or pattern of some sort and then pixel peep. The closer you are to the object the less you are going to see the difference. Long time ago someone "measured" the value (I have no idea how) and gave it about 5%. And that is in ideal situation.
The D800e is sharper out of the camera, and it will resolve a fraction more detail. The advantage in my mind is you require less sharpening in post - this means less chance of bring out noise or artifacts.
Locally a D800e can be bought for $280 more than the non-e and it comes with an extra battery, so it is actually less than $200 more. At that price difference it is a no brainer IMO, get the E. At $500 it is a tougher choice - probably not worth it for most people.
I have the D800E. When I bought it, my logic was for $300 all questions about maximum sharpness are removed. But at $500 cheaper, the D800 is probably a better move. If you are interested in video, the D800 is a better choice.
Also keep in mind that the added sharpness of the D800E would be neutralized through any deficiency in your lenses. If you are going with the D800E, you need to be prepared to carry through with the sharpest lenses available. That means the 24-70, 70-200, and top primes in the Nikon lineup. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with other lenses - just that maximum sharpness includes both cameras and lenses.
They are both winners however I choose & ordered the regular 800 from B&H. I proactively alerted customer service that I required one with no issues and no prior usage of any kind & preferably not old stock.
Why? The video component was important and I may not ever see the sharpness difference as I do not have high quality glass as I'm just getting started into the FX world. My shooting technique & eyesight needs help to.
I do appreciate all of you valued input and advice which definitely helped the decision making process.
Outfit should arrive by mid next week if all goes well as it's in stock.
You will not be sorry! The D800 is second only to the D800E for cameras up to $10k, and the D800E is only marginally sharper and runs the risk of moiré, so for $500 less, you've got a steal. Truth is that the D800 is ridiculously cheap for its level of performance, so enjoy!!!
I responded to your post on the other forum. Glad you found this forum for your question as I think the general level of contributors are more responsible in their replies. I won't repeat my response but you can read it on the other forum. In a nutshell I concurred with the responses here. Congratulations on your new D800! You'll love it.
Congrats and enjoy Don't look back. I have both versions and the difference is so slight, even with 22 x 34 inch prints. Standing at viewing distance, you simply can't tell the difference. I use the cameras interchangeably and basically consider them equally sharp.
I had the feeling that would be the case. It's one thing to view examples side by side at 100% on at computer screen sizes looking for differences and something else entirely to view a print made from one with nothing to compare it too. I just couldn't see spending $500 for that.
Thanks. Those seem consistent with what I've seen before. I can see a difference if I'm really looking to notice one, and that's at 100% on my display. Were I to make 24"x16" prints out of them I'm not convinced I'd notice a difference, and I did notice some small examples of moiré and false color in the E version.
A year ago, I had ordered the e as my first professional digital camera, and it took me perhaps 10 minutes to think it over. The price difference then was (for Germany) about 300 €, and my thought was: If I go on a pilgrimage to the holy grail, I want to go right up to it, and I don't stop 10 yards before. I still don't know the exact difference, but I have never regretted my decision. However, to confuse you still a bit more, today the price difference is much more (something like 800 €), and therefore in these days I might just have gone for the 800 model. Go for your guts, I'd say.
I've looked at a fair number of samples comparing images from the two and I can see a very slight difference in certain kinds of subjects. I can't always see a difference and I've never seen a difference that warranted spending an extra $500 to get it, and I'm typically the kind of person who is willing to spend a fair bit for a marginal increase in performance from a product.
No one is going to look at a picture taken with a D800 and think it doesn't look sharp because of the AA filter. Almost all digital cameras use an AA filter, and the higher the resolution of the camera the less it's going to affect the sharpness based on what I've been able to determine. In any case I've yet to see an example where I think I would have noticed a difference if I hadn't been straining to see a difference.
If you get a D800 and decide you just can't live with a camera that has an AA filter there are places that will remove it for you and replace it with a filter that doesn't reduce sharpness.