Sun 03-Mar-13 04:11 AM | edited Sun 03-Mar-13 04:12 AM by icslowmo
I have the D800E and have found moire' in many photos I've taken. Here is an example of moire' from today. Went to the Wildlife World Zoo and found it in some bird pics:
Complete frame without any moire' corrections:
D800E 70-200mm VRII @ 116mm f/5.6 iso 100 1/320th Hand held
And 100% crop:
So I'm wondering how many others have noticed it in their types of photos. I often have to correct it in family photos in clothing as well and is adding a bit of added work to my work flow. Granted, I knew it would be if it was going to be like this, however, many reviewers said it was a none-issue, so I ordered the E. So am thinking my next body as a back up will be the D800 none E....
I am a full time photographer have seen moire a hand full of times. For me it is a none issue, easy fix. I have never had one complaint about moire with ten National Campaigns, I have shot with the D800E. The added work which is VARY RARE, is for sure a none issue with my work flow.
I'm a D800 user considering the purchase of an E but have held off until I see more real-life reports on the moire issue. All the reviews I've read report moire to be a non-issue. Its occurrence is rare and if found can be easily fixed. I've scoured several forums for user experience on moire for the past month and have found only one other complaint besides yours. That photographer is a also a birder and reports moire on the feathers in a large percentage of his images. I can see that being an annoyance for serious birders. But so far no other real-life user reports/complaint about moire occurring elsewhere.
This a very interesting thread and I hope other E users report their findings here too.
Do you see it at all screen magnifications? What I see the majority of the time is aliasing of the monitor resolution conversion routines, zooming even slighting in or out causes it to disappear. Does it appear on your large prints as well? Stan St Petersburg Russia
When I find/see it it is at 100% zoom or greater if I zoom in further. So it is there and I so know about how anything less the 100% view can and will show moire' effects due to how the screen will sample the image. I do family photo sessons and and have been working up my skill level to do weddings, and in family photos for people, I find moire' in clothing quite often and some of if has to be edited even for small prints as it will have the rainbow/false color effect present.
Also I did find this review awhile ago that tests the difference between the E and non-E and only came up with about a 0.5 pixel sharpness difference. Which really isn't much.
Sun 03-Mar-13 06:33 PM | edited Sun 03-Mar-13 10:25 PM by JimH
I just made the purchase on a D800 last evening. I spent hours and hours researching the subject of moire' and the prevalence of moire' pertaining to the D800e. I came to the conclusion it's most likely a non issue on the e. It doesn't take very much of any type of issue to become widely apparent, on the internet. Just a slight bug or annoyance winds up being thoroughly discussed at places like here, other forums and reviews. I found very little mention anywhere of moire' being a problem on the 800e. It does exist and may show up time to time. But again, since I came across so little evidence or complaints about it, I decided to go for the D800e. When the camera arrrive's I'm sure I'll be checking out every thing I've read about the 800e to see if there are any issues, moire' included. I'll surely report back.
"Things are'nt always quite as cherry, as they first seem"
Frankly, I'm not surprised that you would see a little moire in the bird image (nice shot, BTW), given the colors and textures - based on what I've read about moire and the D800e. That said, if it's only in a small portion of the image that you've posted. I wouldn't worry about it; others have chimed in and said it can be corrected with software like Capture NX2 or Lightroom. You might try to physically move left or right or change the distance and see what happens. That's one way to deal with moire (as I've read).
I just got the D800e myself. I've not had a chance to use it enough yet to the point that I might experience moire. I'll deal with moire by adjusting angles, distance or aperture settings if I have to. Glad I chose the "E" instead of the D800 non-e. I would not over-react to the moire issue. The resolution and detail of the "E" far outweighs the occasional moire issue, at least if you're not shooting fabric material or venetian blinds for a living.
Wed 06-Mar-13 02:44 AM | edited Wed 06-Mar-13 04:07 AM by icslowmo
I use LightRoom 4.4.... And used the settings of 100/0.5/50/0 for sharpening/radius/detail/masking. This is my usual settings I use which at 100% view is slightly over sharpened but when viewed at 50% looks nice and sharp. I have not seen any sharpening cause any more moire' in my photos, but it can make it more noticeable though. Here is the same crop with less sharpening applied, LR default 25/1.0/25/0:
Here is another example I have of moire' in clothing:
I use LR4 and brush in correction when needed. It works really well to get rid of the rainbow coloring, but leaves any aliasing patterns behind. I have not been able to get rid of moire' with CS5.1 and have and tried capture NX2 for this and it applies a global correction and will smear other colors around if turned up too high. So for me, LR4.x is the best for removing moire' coloring effects which is usually all I need to do. The crop of the purple shirt is the only example that left the pattern after removing the rainbow colors that would require more effort/know how in photoshop to get rid of.
Glad I can help at least one person with the choice of whether the E is worth it or not.
It comes down to what was recommend when the two cameras were announced, get the E for landscapes/studio work and the none E for wedding/portrait work, which is looking like that should have been my choice for me as I do portraits and working on doing weddings.
It happens, yes, with me, too, on cloth, mainly. To tell the truth, I am not too much concerned about it, haven't even bothered to correct it lately (I might still, though). The cases I have had show up at 100%, and they add a bit of texture.
By the way, in the flat in which I live I have in the windows natural occurrences of moire - visible without camera, that is (different layers of fly-screen and jalousies).
After speaking with a knowledgeable friend tonight might I suggest you try a different RAW converter. Apparently moire can be impacted greatly by the demosaicing algorithm used. Looks like you are using ACR (Lightroom).
Maybe try NX2. I can also recommend Picture Code's Phto Ninja that might just be my new RAW converter as it does a noticeably better job than ACR In my opinion. It has a free trial here: http://www.picturecode.com/download.php
Finally, I just started to try a new converter that gets rave reviews from some people for its ability to truly render RAW files and particularly to render fine detail, although its interface is apparently lacking: http://raw-photo-processor.com/RPP/Downloads.html
I would be really interested to hear if a different RAW converter mitigates this issue at all. It may explain in part the somewhat differing reports on how frequent this issue is.
Thu 07-Mar-13 06:53 PM | edited Fri 08-Mar-13 12:26 AM by icslowmo
I also have read that post software will affect how images come out. So I tried Capture NX2 as I own this software also and came up with this:
Less moire' color effect present but still shows some patterning. I did play with Photo Ninja and the results would actually be about the same as ACR with this picture. I haven't tried the other you have linked, but once I get a little more time I will try it also.
Just figured out the other program is for Mac's, so I can't try that software as I'm using Windows 7.
I've had it show up quite a bit on clothing. ACR did a good job removing it for the most part. You can still see the lines when zoomed in close but to the average person it's not noticeable. It shows up on buildings as well. I think I would get a D4 as well if I shot a lot of fashion.