Although the my D800 purchase is months away I'd like to make sure I don't need to upgrade lenses before buying the camera. I have a collection of Nikon and Sigma AF primes from 15 fisheye to 300 f2.8 and a few zooms I like to use most notably the 24-120 VRI and the Sigma 70-200 f2.8 HSM II and 150-500 OS. How would these lenses hold up? They work great with my D700 but I'm wondering if the higher resolution would show their faults with these lenses?
It's difficult for me to be certain (since I don't have a D800 myself), but my impression from wide reading of reliable sources suggests that the vast majority of lenses will work well on a D800, and will produce images with greater detail than you would see from the same lens on a D700.
Sure, to get the absolute best performance that a D800 is capable of, you may well need the best lenses, but I certainly would not worry that your lenses are suddenly going to be inadequate
Try them and see what you think first. I have been amazed at the results I can achieve with my 800 and some fairly reasonably priced i.e. non pro lenses. Sure the camera will let you see the limitations of a poor lens, but the results will be far better than with the same lens on an inferior camera. So just enjoy your new camera and make your own mind up.
And if worst comes to worst, and you find that one of your lenses really doesn't cut the mustard with the D800 at full res, you can always downsize files from that lens to 12mp - it will surely be no worse than the 12mp camera you had before, with the possible exception of a D3s file at ISO 12800.
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>And if worst comes to worst, and you find that one of your >lenses really doesn't cut the mustard with the D800 at full >res, you can always downsize files from that lens to 12mp - it >will surely be no worse than the 12mp camera you had before, >with the possible exception of a D3s file at ISO 12800.
What do you mean downsize? in post processing or in camera? thanks
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It's not the lens, it's the camera body. But, wait, it's the photographer!! The skill!! Oh, yeah, it's both! The photographer, and skill, and after all that, once all that is resolved, and maximized, then the body begins to take charge, with the best lens. Oh my! It's all the above. You need the best skill, with the best lens on the best body to get the best results!! What a shocking development!!! And, if either of those is missing, then the end result will suffer!!
Oh, I suffer so! I need more skill, even though I've spent all this money!!
Oh, wait! At f8 they all seem to be the same! Oh, that's the solution!
Wed 31-Oct-12 12:34 AM | edited Wed 31-Oct-12 12:35 AM by LMMiller9
The short answer to your question is "Yes, they will work fine."
However, in every system there is a constraining element which is why every system can be improved. You will have about the best camera money can buy. Your biggest constraint will be your own skills. But, you may also want to upgrade your 24-120 to the newer f.4.0 version which is definitely superior and will produce superior results. Of course, there are a dozen other great lenses that you will want.
I have the 150-500 OS Sigma and the 50mm/f1.4 Sigma and they both work fine on the D800 so I am sure your 70-200HSM will also work well.
There is always something you will need to upgrade or our entire capitalist system would come crumbling down. You wouldn't want to be responsible for that, would you?
I have the 150-500 and have used it on my D800. It works just fine. But remember that the 150-500 isn't super sharp at 500 so don't expect miracles. So if you don't have unrealistic expectations you'll be plenty pleased. I'm in the process of selling my 14-24 and 24-70 and replacing it with the 24-120 VR. I expect that will be just fine.
The Sigma 70-200 is very good and you shouldn't see anything wrong with it on the D800.
Personally, I think the "camera sees the flaws" comments are either from nitpickers or just overblown. You'll see your own flaws in photographing (technique, ability, etc) long before you see the lens flaws.
Sat 24-Aug-13 10:35 PM | edited Sat 24-Aug-13 10:36 PM by thesteviewonder
Dxomark.com have written a series of articles showing test results of various lenses on the D800. Inferior glass will certainly have their defects magnified. They have reviewed wide angle, normal and telephoto lenses on the D800. Very interesting findings as sometimes less expensive lenses did rather well.
My answer would be that the whole D800(e) and only the finest glass issue is a waste of time to think about, and I agree with those here who have said it is totally overblown.
I am firmly in the camp that a poor photographer blames their equipment. I'll take a great photographer with the worst lenses who spends their time taking unique and interesting shots over someone who buys all the best equipment and spends their time shooting brick walls and test charts any day.
If you take great photographs, no one will notice the 'flaws'.
>My answer would be that the whole D800(e) and only the finest >glass issue is a waste of time to think about, and I agree >with those here who have said it is totally overblown. > >I am firmly in the camp that a poor photographer blames their >equipment. I'll take a great photographer with the worst >lenses who spends their time taking unique and interesting >shots over someone who buys all the best equipment and spends >their time shooting brick walls and test charts any day. > >If you take great photographs, no one will notice the 'flaws'. > > >Jason
I'm in the same boat with you. One of the examples is 18-200 DX lens on DX camera. I had three selling and returning back to it for all-in-one convenience for family and friends work. I agree with all your statements - as my skills are improving and i'm getting more and more confident in myself as a photographer my keeper's rate is climbing.
But there are plenty of pixel peepers (including me), who are constantly looking in flows in there work. some are trying to understand what went wrong and how to improve and some are just plain blaming equipment, without realizing the difference between 12mp and 36mp sensors.
Never the less, the people who understand the difference very often test the lenses on their own using right techniques and I believe they can see the difference.
The whole issue of whether or not any specific lens will perform on a D800/800e is -- I think -- a waste of time. There is nothing about a higher resolution camera that will make an image deteriorate! NOTHING. The D800 will give you the best image each of your lenses is capable of producing -- at least for now.
I agree with every opinion that holds that the technique you bring to the game and your vision are more important than any other element. If they worked great with your D700, they'll worker greater with the D800.
I come from film days. I never heard a soul say they could not consider loading the days top image quality films -- Kodachrome or Pan-X -- because they possibly had an inferior lens.
I think the whole concern for lenses not measuring up to the D800 is a combination of marketing by Nikon (... buy new lenses...) and the eternal anal fixation of the crowd who shoot test charts and brick walls instead of getting out and capturing the world around them.
So... put your lenses to work taking pictures and don't look back. If you feel the need for a new lens -- if the $$$ are there, get it. Enjoy!
>... in a lot of places it looks like they (DxO) test wide open...
If you dig into DxO's test data you will find that they test all apertures. They also indicate at what aperture the lens performs "best" overall. Examples are the Sigma 85mm F1.4 EX DG HSM tested on the Nikon D800 which is reported to be "best at" f2. Also Samyang 35mm F1.4 AS UMC tested on Nikon D800 and reported to be "best at" f2. You find this data under respective lens with separate aperture performance maps for: DxOMark score, Sharpness, Transmission, Distortion, Vignetting and Chromatic aberration.
>in a lot of places it looks like they test wide open
Their description states that they test at a variety of apertures and report the best score.
Speaking for myself, I tend not to use score-type tests when choosing a lens, because it's difficult to encapsulate a lens' characteristics in a single number. Having said that, DxOMark meets my definition of a well-designed process, in that they check each lens type on a variety of cameras and in consistent conditions.
I definitely use DxO test results as one reference point when choosing a lens. It sometimes forces me to wait a while because of the price of the lens, but it also sometimes offers a pleasant surprise when a new and reasonably priced lens jumps to the front of the pack.
>>in a lot of places it looks like they test wide open > >Their >description >states that they test at a variety of apertures and report the >best score. > >. . . DxOMark >meets my definition of a well-designed process, in that they >check each lens type on a variety of cameras and in consistent >conditions. >
And from that description: "DxOMark Score is measured for low-light conditions: 150 lux and 1/60s exposure time. Such conditions correspond to a correctly-lit living room (with no daylight): it is a difficult but rather typical photographic use case."
I think that explains why the "optimum" aperture for the two lenses mentioned in this thread as exemplary is f2.0 --- instead of what I would normally have expected to be f5.6 or f8. I seems strange to me that a "lit living room (with no daylight)" and openings of f2.0, one stop down, are presented as a "typical photographic use case."
>I seems strange to me that a "lit living room (with no daylight)" is >presented as a "typical photographic use case."
As an outdoors daylight photographer I agree with you. However, I can think of a several reasons for DxO's choice of low level artificial lighting.
1. It tests the many times critical low light and ISO performance of sensors and lenses. 2. It is not possible to test the entire ISO range of a camera and lens under sunlight conditions since higher ISO settings require an aperture smaller than that available on the lens. 3. To test under several lighting conditions to also mimic a range of outdoor daylight situations including sun, overcast and shade would make both testing and test results overwhelming.