For my purpose, I like 2 identical bodies as main and second cameras. Since I believe D800 and D800E are so close, I would like to gather information on practice (not from written reviews)for my decisions.
I'm interested also. I only have the D800E and a D7000. In DX mode, I couldn't see the difference on my shots except that the D800E is probably 2/3 stop better.
Some comparisons below. Let me know what you think but this is not what you've asked for since I don't have both D800 and D800E. I have yet to experience moire also. Just click on the image for larger view.
Thank you. From the photos, differences are slim. D800e is touch better.
I need to explain the reason for my question. Since I use two cameras when I shoot for jobs. Until I got D800e, these are 2 x D700's. I do not see one as main and another is backup. Two are the mains and I like to use same body for this purpose because operations are the same.
Logical choice would be another D800e but I am wondering possibilities for D800 since both are identical in terms of camera operations.
DigLloyd (www.DigLloyd.com) has both the D800 and D800E, with the plain 800 version serving as backup and second-lens duties. He sees D800E advantage as it requires less sharpening in any given situation. I recommend a membership for a more detailed picture.
Knowing you are a fabric photographer, I am more than a little curious how you are making out with respect to Moire on the D800E?
>Interesting Glenn, I am not seeing much difference at a >glance.
>Is that a 36mp to 16mp comparison or did you shoot the D800 in >DX mode in which case that is a 16mp to 16mp comparison?
Steve- it is a 16mp to 16mp comparison. I had my Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 VRII mounted on a tripod. I had the D800E on DX mode (DX image area) and I simply changed the cameras between the D7000 and D800E using the same settings such as standard picture control w/ same sharpening at +6, aperture and shutter speed.
I had a D800 for three months but sold it when my D800E arrived. I mostly do landscape and nature photography, and I found that the D800E gives me better contrast, colors and a slight increase in details than the D800. If you do portrait work or weddings, the D800 would probably be the better choice. The increase in contrast and sharpness with the E would not be flattering for portrait work. You also would have less concern with moire.
I like having identical camera bodies. Now that I have two D800E bodies, I am ready for anything...well, almost. However, I will have to wait until my bank account recovers some before I can really trek with them, but as my friend Juan says, "you only cry once when you buy the best."
I am not sure you will be able to see the difference in the small image format and low level of JPEG quality required to get under 300K for for this forum, but here goes. These files were converted from NEF RAW files by CS6 with no adjustments...just conversion to JPEG. Both are camera Neutral.
The first one is the D800 image:
This one is the D800E image:
I can see a pretty dramatic difference here on my LaCie 324 monitor. The D800E image has almost a 3D look to it...and the D800 image more of a flat look.
And yes, I know you can do a lot to make them the same in post processing. You can do magic tricks with CS6 if you spend the time, and read all of the books. However, you have to do less post with the D800E to get the "same" results.
Thank you very much for these samples, which I downloaded to PS6. I can see clear difference in contrast, though I can not see much difference of sharpness from these JPEGs. One with D800 is so even by comparison and it looks as though anti-alias filter is acting as a slight screen on top of the image.
Fri 10-Aug-12 08:42 AM | edited Fri 10-Aug-12 09:04 AM by ljordan316
Nikon pulled a brilliant move by having both a D800 and an E version. They sold both to me already...and a second D800E. If you had told me a year ago that I would do that, I would have laughed in your face.
The people who are bashing Nikon right now are thrashing at a successful company with a great strategy. They simply made an error in the manufacturing line for AF tuning on some copies. A year from now you will hardly remember that error...as you look at your amazing images...while the Canon guys are still eating their hearts out...maybe.
BTW, I am now going back through Thom Hogan's book again since I switched from the D800 to the E. So far, I have found that his comparisons are exactly what I found in practice and in FoCal aperture sharpness testing with all of my lens on both bodies. If you read every instance where he compares the D800 with the E version, you will understand most of the differences...without exaggerations.
> >Eric, from what I read, both from Nikon and users, there is no >difference for video between the D800 and D800e. > >Something related to the way how sampling is done for video. >Don't ask me for details I got no clue.
Yes that is my understanding as well and I recall the source being a Nikon spokesman themselves.
I have not seen moire in video, but all of the pros I know that shoot DSLR video have chosen the D800 over the D800E because of moire.
Perrone Ford is probably the person here with the most experience with video and DSLR video. There were some early D800/D800E posts from him that go into more of the details. You can search for more details.
The short version is that moire is a problem with video even with video cameras and certainly with DSLR video. There is compression taking place that can produce moire under the best of circumstances. The AA filter on the D800 does offer more to avoid moire than the sensor of the D800E.
Video is one of those cases where you need to get it right in the camera. Moire removal for video is possible, but it is very difficult and time consuming so most go to great lengths to avoid moire. Post processing tools are weak in comparison to the editing tools for stills. So you need to get lighting, WB, and other aspects right in the camera. The D800 is particularly good in terms of image quality - even better than the D4 when it comes to video.
Perrone chose a D800 over a D800E because of video. Nikon pro Bill Campbell also made the same move for the same reason.
Larry Jordan has done a good bit of testing with the D800 and D800E. You can't go wrong with either. In his test images the D800 files could be sharpened to be very close to the D800E files. I think I saw better subtle detail on the D800E, but it took magnification of 400% or more for me to think I could see a difference.