Wed 25-Jul-12 12:08 AM | edited Wed 25-Jul-12 01:02 AM by Bump57
I know there are already threads talking about the aftermarket grip but none of them end like this! I had the worst morning today. Last night my Meike grip for the D800 arrived. I put it on inserted some fresh new 2500mah Sanyo enloops and the d800 felt just like the d300 with grip, comfortable with my big hands. I went though all the buttons & dials and all seemed fine. Just before bed I noticed I had the in camera battery for the D800 still on the charger. I left it there and went to bed anyway. When I woke up I decided to put the in camera battery in and preceded to take off the brand new grip. The thumb wheel turned about one revolution and then the gearing inside stripped out. It stripped the ---- out! Madder then you know what I spent the next 30 min trying to get this thing off my camera, no dice. The only way this thing is going to come off the camera is for me brake apart the grip and get to the screw to turn it by hand or something. Now, I am probably one of the most mechanically inclined people on the plant so I felt pretty confident I could get this thing off without damaging the camera, which I did but the grip is toast. I hate to think how this would have played out if it was someone that was not so mechanically inclined.
I believe some where on this forum I posted that I was not very happy with the price Nikon is charging for this grip/battery holder and I am still not. This was the first time I strayed away from genuine Nikon parts, it will also be the last time. After I got this thing off my camera I went straight to B&H, it's replacement will bet here Thurs! I have sent the seller a email explaining what happened and asked for a refund, still no word. I will reserve my feedback until I here form them or three days which ever comes first. They are 11000 positive at like 99% so I am not too worried though.
So for anybody on the fence for the aftermarket grip or the grip form Nikon I would stay away from the aftermarket. If one starts to think about all that could have gone wrong here it could have been a disaster.
Glad to hear you got it off mate. I bought a Pixel grip, ranted and raved on how happy I was and then today my RRS LPlate showed up and it fits but you can not access the battery door as the door is wider than the plate......And now after hearing your disaster, I just ordered a Nikon unit thru Amazon for 399.00 and the Pixel is going back tomorrow. I too ALWAYS have stuck to OEM accessories and jumped ship this time because the difference in price....Never again. I know, never say never...LOL .
glad you got it off Scott with no damages to the camera, these are the kind of stories (i have heard the same issue like yours before) or aftermarket grips killing a camera why i stick to OEM parts and bought the nikon grip for my 800
You would think that OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) would mean in this case: Nikon ..... however, I had a major dispute with a well known HK supplier when the OEM battery for my Nikon turned out not to be of Nikon manufacture.
The explanation was that they make batteries for Nikon so qualify as OEM. Quite wrong in my view.
I had purchased a Nikon MB-D10 for the D300 with OEM batteries. Not Nikon and they were just slightly larger and were a press fit into the charger. Not very happy about that one.
Anyhow, just a point that might interest others.
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>The explanation was that they make batteries for Nikon so >qualify as OEM. Quite wrong in my view. > >I had purchased a Nikon MB-D10 for the D300 with OEM >batteries. Not Nikon and they were just slightly larger and >were a press fit into the charger. Not very happy about that >one.
If the batteries are not "Nikon" branded, then they're not OEM batteries. Some third-party manufacturer may refer to such batteries as replacements for OEM batteries or "OEM replacement" batteries, but they're not made to Nikon standards and specs unless they're branded, bona fide, as Nikon. Many third-party manufacturers use clever marketing language in an attempt to gull us into believing that their so-called OEM replacement batteries are essentially identical to bona fide Nikon-branded batteries. Don't believe it - they're not - and that's one of the reasons they cost less.
Ther are a couple of good quality third-party substitutes for OEM Nikon batteries, but quality remains inconsistent enough from batch to batch that my own testing has produced too few good results to recommend any of them. Varta, Hahnel and Energizer have all hit the market with better than average quality third-party DSLR replacement batteries, but I still don't recommend them for anything except backup battery purposes.
You'll hear true stories on Nikonians and elsewhere from photographers who've obtained excellent results from third-party batteries. There are a far greater number of photographers with serious complaints about third-party batteries. I think that until such time as Varta, Hahnel and Energizer improve batch-to-batch consistency and overall quality even more, it's probably best not to rely on third-party DSLR batteries and primaries. There are Canon and Nikon DSLR owners out there who've been using third-party batteries for years, but who also think that their battery duty cycle consisting of just a few hundred shots is normal (the real OEM battery duty cycle is something like triple that number).
With Nikon now using the EN-EL15 in several bodies, it's likely there's enough volume out there for the third-party makers to produce a replacement at a lower price point that is truly a consistently high-capacity, long duty cycle bargain. If I'm right, we'll see improved third-party batts before the end of 2012.
Tue 21-Aug-12 08:30 PM | edited Wed 22-Aug-12 06:53 AM by briantilley
On the genuine grip the door is wide as a grip itself. Can't get any wider than that. So your L plate will not work. Are you sure you ordered the right L-plate? They have 2 of them you know. One for the camera without grip and one with.
>RRS (and similar) L-brackets are designed to fit closely the >profile of the camera or a genuine Nikon grip. Third-party >grips may well have a slightly different profile.
In fact, I have the Nikon grip and RRS L-Plate and was extremely impressed (as usual with RRS) with the fit/contour between the two. (There's another thread around here about various L-Plates, including an inexpensive one - again, you seem to get what you pay for).
Hi Scott, Sorry to hear about your experience with the Meike grip, especially since I have the same grip. I have only used it a few times since my D800 was sent to nikon to fix the left side focus problem, the camera comes back today. Have been out of work for 2 years and will be taking an early retirement next month. Money being tight I went for the aftermarket grip. Your experience has me thinking of getting the nikon grip though I still do not understand the price difference between the MB-D10, which I have, and the MB-D12. -------------------
I, for one, have had terrible luck with aftermarket batteries, grips, remotes, etc. and have long given up buying anything that is advertised for Nikon from China. However, you folks are all correct that the pricing of the new MB-D12 is ridiculously high. I bought mine in May and paid $449.00 for it and loathed every second filling out the credit card info. However, it does work flawlessly and has been on and off the camera body many, many times.
My only way to rationalize the higher prices for Nikon accessories is to think that perhaps, just perhaps, the Japanese are trying to stay afloat (pardon the pun) after the tsunami and ensuing radiation leak and then the horrible flooding at their plant in Thailand and again in Southern Japan this Spring. Just a thought.
It's not going to make Scott feel any better about the close call he had, and I can certainly sympathize with him, because I had a horribly expensive lesson learned with my D3X and an aftermarket battery that wasn't chipped correctly. My nice super-cheap $75 battery ended up costing me $450 in post-warranty period repairs to the electronic circuitry in my D3X at Nikon, Melville.
I bought the MB-D12 for $415 from Amazon. One of the things I was concerned about with an aftermarket grip was frying my $3000 camera and having to fork over more than the difference in price to get it repaired and oh by the way, voiding the warranty. Yes the MB-D12 is way overpriced, especially when compared to the MB-D10 for the D300 and D700, but I just swore and bit the bullet. After reading this thread I feel a bit better about it.
>I bought the MB-D12 for $415 from Amazon. One of the things I >was concerned about with an aftermarket grip was frying my >$3000 camera and having to fork over more than the difference >in price to get it repaired and oh by the way, voiding the >warranty. >John
Just curious on how can Nikon determine if the electrical damage was caused by a 3rd party battery grip if the camera body is still within warranty period?
>Just curious on how can Nikon determine if the electrical >damage was caused by a 3rd party battery grip if the camera >body is still within warranty period? > > >Regards, > >Glenn
Well let's say you send your fried D800 to Nikon for a warranty repair. Nikon is going to want to know how this happened in case it's a generic problem. They inspect the damage and try to figure out what caused it and surmise that the connection to the grip was part of the damaged circuitry. They then could deny warranty repair unless they hear some reasonable explanation of how this happened. Was the MB-D12 used on this camera? etc. Admittedly I know nothing of the internal circuitry of the D800 but I would assume Nikon would try to diagnose the problem an could determine that the grip connection was at least part of the problem.
I could be mistaken but to me it's not worth the risk.
Wed 22-Aug-12 01:34 AM | edited Wed 22-Aug-12 01:37 AM by InsaneO
>>Just curious on how can Nikon determine if the >electrical >>damage was caused by a 3rd party battery grip if the >camera >>body is still within warranty period? >> >> >>Regards, >> >>Glenn > >Well let's say you send your fried D800 to Nikon for a >warranty repair. Nikon is going to want to know how this >happened in case it's a generic problem. They inspect the >damage and try to figure out what caused it and surmise that >the connection to the grip was part of the damaged circuitry. >They then could deny warranty repair unless they hear some >reasonable explanation of how this happened. Was the MB-D12 >used on this camera? etc. Admittedly I know nothing of the >internal circuitry of the D800 but I would assume Nikon would >try to diagnose the problem an could determine that the grip >connection was at least part of the problem. > >I could be mistaken but to me it's not worth the risk. > >John >
I have witnessed this myself. I was in El Segundo location and one guy brought in his fried camera. Suddenly these two huge dudes come out and within seconds tie this guy to a chair. One dude took electric cord, stripped it and shocked this poor fella until he confessed that he used aftermarket grip. It was very painful to watch. That day I ordered OEM grip for my D800e.
Out of curiosity I took apart my genuine grip to see how it is made. Disclaimer: I used to be a toolmaker/designer for over 28 years so I am very handy with tools. Anyway, the wheel has a small gear in the center which is attached with another gear and that gear is attached to the third gear on the screw. Obviously the wheel is very large and final gear is very small so there is a lot of torque. I would suggest not to tighten grip too much. Just snug enough to hold. I wouldn't be surprised that OP overtightened to begin with and that is why it stripped.
On the different note: There is no seal inside of any kind. The genuine grip is not weather sealed!!!! What the hell are we paying all the money for it?
After 3 years of use the mineke grip for my D90 also was stuck due to my trying to keep it tightly attached to my camera. I tended to crank it to stop any wobble. It was getting harder and harder to turn that plastic ring to remove it. One day it would not budge, so I made it. ;- ) All i did was break the connection between the plastic ring and the metal piece so it was just spinning.
Like you I took some tools and began to pry it open. Sucessfully removed it with no damage to my D90.
I think that the 3 years use for considerably less than the price of the D90 grip (at release) was worth the little aggrivation (maybe 20 minutes) of prying it off.
I cannot justify the $400 price of the Nikon grip, even though I managed to justify the D800E last week. The $400 grip went south when I spend $300 more on the camera. LOL
I'm sorry for your experience. Glad your camera is not damaged. Since the grip is defective, I would ask for a full refund and if they say no, fight them thru your cc company. ------------- Please visit my galleries: Reza Gorji Photography
Hi Scot, I read your post the day after I received the Pixel Battery Pack Grip. Allthough the grip looked good and fitted well, I felt uncomfortable with the feel of the wheel attaching the grip to the camera: it felt a lot less solid in comparison to my MB-10, as if it could break if I would give a little more pressure. Your post convinced me to send it back, I just didn't want to have this uncomfortable feeling every time I attach the grip to the camera. The camera and the lenses I use with it costed a lot of money - and I want nothing attached to it that doesn't feel totally trustworthy. So I have been using the original grip since and I am happy I did. Thanks for sharing your experience!