It's not necessarily oil. If you look at least two points are long and thin and almost certainly lint or dust.
I've cleaned quite a bit of dust off of my D800, though I have changed lenses a lot. I'm probably at 10,000 activations and so far nothing that looked like oil. Obviously one sample is not a trend, but I'd try blowing it out, or using a sensor cleaning brush, before assuming it was oil. And even then if it were me I'd just clean it -- it's going to get something sticky on it eventually no matter what you do and require wet cleaning.
Yes, it should be cleaner when new, and yes it should never throw oil, not being a nikon apologist. Just as a practical matter cleaning it is a lot less trouble than sending it back.
Oh... and try using the automatic cleaning first also, some of those bigger pieces might disappear.
Just get a Copperhills cleaning kit and learn to use it. It's one of my favorite camera-related items since I never have to worry about dust again. It'll get your sensor all cleaned up in a few swipes.
Sensors get dirty...it's just the reality of the DSLR. Even if it's oil from the shutter, it's easily cleaned and should settle down with some more time.
I don't mean to sound inflammatory, but isn't it a little irresponsible to proclaim "oil on the sensor" in your thread topic when you don't even know what is on your sensor? I'm also assuming you haven't tried the sensor cleaning function?
I would expect this type of alarmist post at DPr, but not here.
I went to the photo store yesterday and they checked the sensor with a magnifier and other tools, and they confirmed is NOT dust, based on their experience it seems to be some kind of oil or other type of liquid. They replace the camera and send it back to Nikon as defective.
>I don't mean to sound inflammatory, but isn't it a little >irresponsible to proclaim "oil on the sensor" in >your thread topic when you don't even know what is on your >sensor? I'm also assuming you haven't tried the sensor >cleaning function? > >I would expect this type of alarmist post at DPr, but not >here.
I can't believe they replaced the camera for such a minor issue. They could have easily cleaned it and it would be fine. At some point in time you'll be faced with contaminants on your sensor that can't be removed using in-camera cleaning or a rocket blower and wet cleaning will be your only option. Dave Jolley
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I got my D3 in January 2008. For the following year I had to do a wet cleaning every couple months. The frequency gradually tapered off, and it's now been about two years since the last wet cleaning. I have to give it a puff with the syringe from time to time, and once late last year I had to use the Arctic Butterfly one time. I change lenses fairly often. There was a similar sequence with my D2x, and, before that with my D100. Point is: new cameras have crud in them -- often oil -- that hits the sensor fairly regularly. It goes away after a while.
Seems strange to write it off as defective for needing cleaning. Maybe can get shoes replaced when they need polishing. What store did that? I bet the manager is docking the salesman's pay or fired him for that. Stan St Petersburg Russia
>What store did that? I bet the manager is docking the >salesman's pay or fired him for that.
Remember a lot of stores (e.g. B&H) make their reputation on "no hassle returns". The cost of that is sometimes you take things back just to make someone satisfied. Those stores would take it back if you said "I did not like the color of the Black on the outside".
I actually think this reason is a whole LOT better than the people I am reading about who buy both a D4 and a D800 with the intent of returning one.
I still agree, just clean it, but I think some of the comments are being a bit unfair. Someone who pays $3000 for a camera and gets one with dirt inside is not exactly insane or some kind of criminal because they are upset.
The other thing is the store is perfectly capable of cleaning the sensor and then selling it for say $100/off and given the backlog, there are plenty of people who would be happy to pick up a camera with a few hundred activations for $100 / off if they can pick it up today.
I agree. Cheap good-will on the part of the camera store.
Sat 07-Jul-12 11:52 AM | edited Sat 07-Jul-12 12:24 PM by RRRoger
Quote>Remember a lot of stores (e.g. B&H) make their reputation >on "no hassle returns". The cost of that is >sometimes you take things back just to make someone satisfied. > Those stores would take it back if you said "I did not >like the color of the Black on the outside". > >I actually think this reason is a whole LOT better than the >people I am reading about who buy both a D4 and a D800 with >the intent of returning one. > >I still agree, just clean it, but I think some of the comments >are being a bit unfair. <Quote<<<
I am one of those that ordered both D4 and D800 knowing I would probably return one to my "no hassle guarantee" store. However, I did not take them both home and I had buyers in line for each.
PS my shop is very good at cleaning FullFrame Sensors. I think they have a camera vac to get the crud I would leave in the corners. I am sure they would try that first before returning an otherwise perfect D800.
>I am one of those that ordered both D4 and D800 knowing I >would probably return one to my "no hassle >guarantee" store. >However, I did not take them both home and I had buyers in >line for each.
To get one available to you is very different than people who go shoot with both for 29 days and then return the one they like least.
Stores permit it, I perhaps should not judge; my real point was I thought this thread was getting a bit heavy handed in criticism over returning something that was had a problem (albiet an easily fixed one).
Looks spotless compared to mine. Fortunatly I shoot things with lots of landscape & minimal sky. I'm sure mine is oil (typical round with solid center and rocket blower not doing it). I figure will wet-clean on Sunday after finishing the holiday weekend shooting at Gettysburg.
Wow, tough crowd in here these days. It looks like it could be a combo of both oil & dust to me. For what's worth this late, if this were my camera with only 150 shots through it, that I paid 3000+ dollars for and I found oil on the sensor, back to the store it would go with out a doubt! That camera could dry up after it's first cleaning like some have suggested or it could leak for the next year and maybe cause damage elsewhere. No way I am keeping it!
Just over 300 shots on my D800E before I noticed what I can best describe as a spot of oil on the sensor, top right. No worries... Take a new swab from its sealed wrapper, apply 2-3 drops of isopropanol, a wipe to the left then the right, and its all gone.
I should add I used Reikan's Focal sowtware to confirm my suspicions. 13 spots measured of varying sizes at f22 were reduced to 5 of insignificant size all in the uppermost corners. Bf f13, they'd all 'gone' when measured using a Nikon 24-70mm.
Checked my D4 too. Started with 7 spots at f22, 0 at f13, after cleaning I've just 1 at f22.
NB: I'm not suggesting cleaning sensors with alchohol, soapy water or anything else you fancy is the way to go. Just that I'm happy cleaning my sensor with pure alchohol and a swap designed for the purpose when needed. If you are in any doubt then go see your dealer / repair shop!!
About 600 shots in, a big dust bunny that wasn't coming off with auto-cleaning.
I locked the mirror up to remove it and was appalled to find about 1/3 of the sensor smeared with something in horizontal lines (not visible in the image).
It took 3 wet cleans using a Visible Dust kit (admittedly I am very cautious and slow when wet cleaning) to get the sensor clean. Fortunately I wet cleaned my D2X so many times that I'm pretty comfortable doing this!
So, I'll be keeping a close eye on things and if it repeats too often it'll be back to Nikon.
I don't know what was on the surface, but could well believe it was oil or some other lubricant from the shutter or mirror mechanism.
Shot the sky, ay f/22, numerous oil spots (300 plus activations) YES OIL SPOTS, why, because all DSLR's in the upper reaches, have machine oil on some movable points, and over time it does dissipate.
My luck with the D3S was not good while using various well touted cleaning methods, at some point, blowers, brushes, wipes, approved solutions and so on...I scratched the filter cover and since then, all cameras go down the road (25 minutes) for an overnight stay while Nikon does the duty.
I know the quadrant for these two blurs, and address them if need be in post.
I will not try and clean the D800, it will be taken to Nikon on Monday.
My hands are not that steady, my vision sucks even with headlamp, magnifiers and all, and I've never had 100% success cleaning the D3S, or the D7000, nice for those who can, but I'm no longer in the sensor cleaning crowd.
My original D200 had a problem with oil spots. I would have to swab my sensor with Visible Dust solution several times a years. On the plus side: I can now clean a sensor in seconds - no fear or fuss.
The problem with oil spots has diminished with successive cameras. I would be concerned if my D800 had such an issue. My D200 experience pointed toward a defect in the shutter curtain. No proof - just opinion.
Sun 08-Jul-12 01:46 PM | edited Sun 08-Jul-12 02:02 PM by RRRoger
If my D800 had oil on the Sensor and my supplier offered to exchange it over the counter for a new one, I would test then take it.
Besides the mirror up option is greyed out on my camera making cleaning very difficult but not impossible.
I gave up cleaning my own cameras after getting the first D3, except for an upside down blow out with a bulb. There is no room around the edges of a FullFrame Sensor to sweep the crud. My local shop uses a camera vac for that, so that is where I now go.
I don't want to sound rude but this camera will eventually have a dirty sensor too, you could clean the sensor or return it again even though the camera is not broken. As a matter of fact I think I see sensor dirt on the picture you posted.
My experience with the D200 and D800 were exactly the same, dirty sensor form the factory. Both were really good at splattering oil onto the sensor. MY D200 eventually ran out of oil and is still working perfectly. My D800 still throws oil. I expect this to continue for thousands of shutter actuations.
My advice would be to clean the sensor. Your local camera store will eventually stop replacing your camera just for sensor dirt.
After 819 pictures taken the Sensor is still pretty clean at f18. There are some minor spots on the top and bottom left side, but it's pretty much acceptable. I am not expecting any more big oils problems (like the first camera) from now on.