I was thinking about whether Nikon's choice of sensor size will have an impact on whether the 3rd party lens makers will make lenses for the Nikon 1 system. There are lots of lenses already available for 4/3 size sensors, and I suspect more to come. The third party makers can use the same basic lens design in different mounts for DX and FX cameras, and there are several camera makes that each lens will fit. The same will apply to 4/3. I wonder if the design and production costs for lenses soley for the Nikon 1 can be justified by the 3rd party lens makers. Some longer focal length lenses might be adapted, but fast wide angles will need a new design. Another consideration is if Canon comes out with an EVIL camera in 4/3 mount. If Canon goes that route, Nikon will have a sort of orphan mount, and Nikon 1 owners will have only one source for lenses.
No idea what other lens makers will do, it will likely depend on how successful the Nikon 1 series will be. In any case I highly doubt that Canon will make a body with the m4/3 mount. They don't want to make it easy for 3rd part lens makes, any more than Nikon does. The common mount made sense for some of the smaller players to gain momentum and acceptance and is surely nice for consumers, but Nikon and Canon don't play by those rules.
Tue 29-Nov-11 10:09 PM | edited Wed 30-Nov-11 06:01 AM by jpFoto
I think that your analysis is correct. No third party lens maker is going to make lenses specifically for this lens mount, and it is unlikely that any other major camera maker (Canon) is going to adopt this sensor size. Also, consider that Nikon is selling all but one of their lenses for $250 less a $100 rebate if purchased with the body, so it would be financial suicide for a company such as Sigma to gear up to make lenses for that camera. But, keep in mind that Nikon really didn't market this camera as a pro or prosumer camera. I think that the pink body/lens combinations signaled this fact. If you like the format and like the system then it's for you. I like what Tom has done with his images and they are very impressive. In my humble opinion, (IMHO for you techies) this is a great point and shoot alternative for those of us who cannot and will not buy a point and shoot because you cannot own a camera that won't let you change the aperture or shutter speed and because your spouse, who knows nothing about cameras, can't use it in any mode except AUTO.
That being said, it still appears to me to be a very nice and capable camera, and if someone gave one to me this holiday season with some or all of the lenses, I wouldn't return it. On the other hand, with so many of us (not me) drooling over the possibilities of another full frame, high ISO, D4 or D800, it just shows that we all have different interests and that we all like really nice cameras.
George You have a point about the adapter, I forgot about it. But with the crop factor, you won't be able to use any lenses made for larger sensor sizes to give you a wide FOV. Nikon doesn't make any fast wide angles in DX, so I suspect they won't for the Nikon 1 either.
Even with the adapter, there won't be any ultra wide angle option for now (like 14-24 on FX or 10-24 on DX). That said, the 10mm (which provides same FOV as 27mm on FX) is plenty wide enough for my taste and use cases. What I really want now is a 30mm f/2 (or so) portrait lens in the same small size as existing Nikon 1 lenses.
There is another possibility: the use of a front of lens adaptor lens, similar to that listed (but not yet seen !)for the P7100 etc. these are usually dismissed as 'not for serious use', but I have been using a Ricoh with 28mm as normal widest,with an add-on which gives a 21mm equivalent FOV and produced some successful A3 exhibition prints from it .Even at full aperture, results are good. It would be good solution if the add-on was designed specifically for , say, the 10mm. Full aperture would be maintained as well. Now if Nikon won't do it perhaps an independent will.
"What I really want now is a 30mm f/2 (or so) portrait lens in the same small size as existing Nikon 1 lenses."
Nikon is off-setting the time lag between development and release of further CX lenses with the FT-1. I suspect it will be a while before we see faster and more varied dedicated lenses. (Edited to add: and the FT-1 complements a captive market by drawing in existing Nikkor owners )
30mm * 2.7 = 81mm roughly. I think the closest solution for you is to use the FT-1 with either one of the new Silent Wave 50mms or Sigma's 50 (assuming third-party with HSM/USD/BIM work). Rob Galbraith's review had a photo of the 50/1.4 (?) mounted, it didn't seem that bulky, but compared to the 10mm/2.8 pancake, it's showing serious Holiday meal bloat.
I bought a J1 for my 10 years old daughter. She played with the 10-30mm, played with the 70-200VR1, 28-300VR, and she found that she likes the video features best with the 10-30mm lens. I did tell her that on our vacation, she can use any of my lenses. For now, there is no need for any Sigma or even Nikon CX lenses. I have way too many lenses for her as it is.
It will take 3rd Party manufacturers a while to create or re-tool existing designs for Nikon's new Stepping Motor that powers the native CX lenses. And they will want to wait and see what the additional prototype CX lenses will actually be (features, focal length, price point) before entering the market. Traditionally, Sigma et al., would play the "me too" game at a lower price point and maybe a lower feature set or try to insert themselves in a niche position (i.e., fast 17-50 with OS or 100-300 constant aperture zoom) that doesn't have an OEM equivalent.
I suspect the Series 1 camera itself is not optimized to move the older Silent Wave lenses in the same speed/accuracy as STM (bigger battery drain for starters), hence the limitations of center point only and loss of continuous focusing. Sigma will also need to take that into account judging by posts on other forums about how some EX HSM lenses do work with the FT-1 and some don't.