iMac LCD screen doesn't match prints
Ok, I am pulling what little is left of my hair.
- Have a 2011 27" iMac (latest kind, thank you daughter for wonderful gift).
- iMac is color calibrated with Spyder 3 Elite.
- Checked calibration just before working prints and ordering.
- Ordered prints from AdoramaPix. When I compare the photos, they don't match. I held several up to the screen and they are darker and the whites seem off like a shift to the red. Called Adorama and they are researching it. Took a P&S snapshot of their photo held up next to my screen so they could see the difference.(Their screen and mine may not match but the difference is visible.
As you can see below the difference is very noticeable. So after talking with them, I decided to get some prints at Walgreens (don't groan) just to see what I would get. Picked them up and they look fine but when I hold them up net to the screen they are off like the others.
Yet when I take them down, they look fine.
Influencing factors: All bulbs in the room are daylight bulbs. The iMac is backlit and when I hold the pictures up on to the screen, the light is not shinning directly on them. When I take the photos down, the light is more directly on them.
When I look at the photos flat under light they look fine. (Except that orange tree one, the trees around the orange tree still look a little too brown and not as green.) The flag one looks great.
Could this simply be the fact I am holding them not under direct light and the fact the iMac is backlit? (I used to use a 2003 Mac Powerbook and the screen was as more of a flattened angle. I can see now why laptops are so notoriously hard to calibrate.)
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#1. "RE: iMac LCD screen doesn't match prints" | In response to Reply # 0HBB Charter MemberTue 03-Apr-12 02:22 PM
You raise an interesting question. Thanks for including the image samples.
While I don't know the numbers, I suspect most Nikonians are PC users, which may be part of the reason you are not getting any responses.
You are working with a lot of variables, each of which can influence your perception of the finished product.
A couple suggestions, for openers:
1) Read the post called "The Perilous Path to Accurate Color", found here, and see if it sheds any light on your question.
2) Repost your question in the "Printers, Scanners & Color Management forum, located here, and see if you get any response.
Let me know if any of the above help. I will be glad to ocntinue the discussion and see if we can sort it out.
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#2. "RE: iMac LCD screen doesn't match prints" | In response to Reply # 1Sportymonk Registered since 16th Jul 2007Tue 03-Apr-12 02:29 PM
I would have thought there were many Mac uses as photography and the arts is usually considered MAc land so to speak. I will go read the referenced post and repost today.
#3. "RE: iMac LCD screen doesn't match prints" | In response to Reply # 2VR8 Nikonian since 04th May 2008Fri 06-Apr-12 11:57 AM
I went through this with a mid 2007 IMAC that I hope to up date soon to another IMac.
iMacs pose several problems notably being too bright. Here is what I have done, expensive but it works. Use the Spyder with Coloreyes display pro from integrated color. Blackout your room, and even then cover your monitor with black cloth when calibrating to kill the reflective glare ridden surface. Check the printed results against a target. A good store might lend you one or they can be downloaded. An ottlite or some similar day light lamp helps to check prints.
The version of Osx raises issues as well but the integrated color systems forum can give you advice on that, bottom line is usually to wait before upgrading to the latest version of OSX. I raised this issue with Kelby/NAPP as they seem to use Macs and they pointed me towards I display - same cost as coloreyes.
As a MAc user I am disappointed that Apple has not spent more time on this..
Hope this helps..
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#4. "RE: iMac LCD screen doesn't match prints" | In response to Reply # 0
Have you tried a different print company? Mpix pro, WHCC, Miller....ect. Most have a free service, with color comparison prints where you upload 5 of your own photos and then they send them to you. Most are very specific on color space used, (RGB, sRGB) so check what they want. I struggled with this also, it took a bit but through calibration and color profile changes I can now get prints to match what I see when I send files out. One company, don't remember the one, but they corrected color also (received 10 prints on corrected by them one not, Bayphoto maybe?).
#5. "RE: iMac LCD screen doesn't match prints" | In response to Reply # 0
I am not an expert, however, I did note the color of your hands holding the pictures is reddish and that may give a hint that the lights in the room are not the same as the IMAC. If you go outside and the prints look good then its all working fine. It is very hard to match a print to a screen back lit or otherwise - the eye is fooled by the brightness etc. Generally speaking dark prints means the room is too bright, not that the color of the lights is wrong. I blacked out my windows, placed the daylight lamp behind my screen to light the room and my spyder 3 is driven by color eyes software. Perfect no, but within decent margins yes.
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#6. "RE: iMac LCD screen doesn't match prints" | In response to Reply # 0
I've had a similar problem with my laptop display - prints were quite dark in comparison to the display. Spyder 3 Elite is not very clear on the corrective action. In my case I had to dial down the brightness of my laptop display to 40% in order to match prints.
The Mac displays are known to be quite bright - as much as 200% of the normal brightness level specified for calibration. But in order to match prints, you'll need to dial it back a good bit.
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