I along with several friends purchased V1's from B&H last month, taking advantage of the low price. I never bothered to look at the Battery Info in the menu, but a friend checked his to find that the Battery Life was indicating 1...a new battery should indicate 0. My battery that came with the V1 also indicated 1. I have 2 older batteries for my D7000 from 1010, tried both in the V1...they indicated 0...tried the new battery in in the D7000 to find it also indicated 1. I called Nikon, but the service Rep did not think it was an issue. I am bringing it to everyone's attention to check and see if you may have the same issue...Nikon my have a run of bad batteries out there that they are not aware of. I anyone finds the same issue please post it with the battery serial number. Also please contact Nikon if you have the issue. The more complaints Nikon gets, the better...so they will have to replace the batteries. John
I double checked the menu in my new Nikon 1 V2, and surprisingly it does not have a battery condtion in the setup. The V1 obviously has this function, so why did Nikon leave this feature out of a supposed upgrade to the V1? I guess what one does not know cannot hurt!
Charlie, I'm with you. When I first read this post, I thought I had missed something on my newly acquired V2 so I went back to check the menus and documentation. No batter condiiton meter on the V2!. V1 owners get the battery condition meter and V2 owners get pixel mapping. Go figure.
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Thank you for the clarification, Eric. I wonder why some are labelled "Nikon," and others, "Sony." Maybe the "Nikon" ones come with the camera, and the Sony ones are sold separately? I don't know which of mine came with the camera, and which I bought as a back-up.
Any clues as to what the serial numbers mean, especially the letters? They were critical in the recall.
Perhaps you can provide some additional insight here. I researched this a bit, but did not find much info. Here is my understanding, based on what what I have gleaned from my research (and it is pretty basic, but I hope correct). At least newer Nikon batteries are "coded" (3rd party batteries may or may not be coded).* What this means is that there is circuitry (the "code") built into the battery that provides information on the age of the batteries' cells (presumably based on the number of charges and not chronology) beyond merely the charge remaining. This would be the 0's, 1's, 2's, etc.
My questions, for clarification, and if my understanding is correct, are:
1. Is this all that the circuitry or "code" does - provide feedback on battery age?
2. Does the circuitry in any way control the functioning or performance of the battery?
It seems to me that there are now two primary electrical components of the batteries - the charge cell(s) and the code. If the answers to the above questions are Yes & No, respectively, then either of these components could independently become defective.
If what I and others are seeing as premature aging of some Nikon batteries (age status other than 0 in little-used batteries), it could it be that the batteries themselves (the cells) actually have a 0 condition, and are falsely being reported as being condition 1 or higher because of faulty code. The batteries should otherwise be expected to perform nominally over their normally expected life-time; the cells have not prematurely aged.
A final thought, then: Is there any way of verifying the proper functioning of a battery's "code?"
*I came across this terminology in an Amazon ad for "Fully Coded" 3rd party batteries.
I also purchased a new Nikon V1 from Adorama ordered 10-2-2012. I was surprised to find the battery information indicates an old "3" battery. The new but old battery serial number is 20120415GC1377. JB
Is your battery marked "SONY E-D" or "NIKON" or something else? Two batteries wouldn't make for a pattern, but I notice the mfg. date on our prematurely aging batteries is about 2 weeks apart (see Eric's post #23 - the leading series of numbers is a date.
>I also purchased a new Nikon V1 from Adorama ordered >10-2-2012. I was surprised to find the battery information >indicates an old "3" battery. The new but old >battery serial number is 20120415GC1377. >JB
My 2 batteries and their condition (repeated from my first post here):
Batt Nikon EN-EL15 marked "SONY E-D" (on large label to right of "PSE" in circle above Nikon hologram), Serial 20120429JE0309 Condition = 2 Also does not seem to be holding its charge as it should.
Batt Nikon EN-EL15 marked "NIKON" (on large label to right of "PSE" in circle above Nikon hologram), Serial 20110824DC0750 Condition = 0
Having discovered through Nikonians that my new 3 of 4 battery was not a unique problem. I decided to call Nikon Service this morning. I spoke with Augusto F. I explained purchase of a Nikon 1 v 1 camera with a dysfunctional battery. He read from the V1 manual p. 160 pointing out the various ways I may have induced the problem. He seemed quite enamored of the idea I had charged the battery below 41 degrees F. I reminded him the problem dated from camera receipt. I noted I charged the battery in my home at room temperature, not below 41 degrees. He was not dissuaded from his stand. He ended the conversation stating Nikon did not warranty batteries. JB
Thu 21-Mar-13 09:29 AM | edited Thu 21-Mar-13 06:39 PM by cacauet2
I have the same issue with the battery of my recently aquired V1. After 1 recharge it shows now "1".
I have buyed it in Spain in a discounted offer. The people i have spoken with (here in Spain) that have aquired a discounted V1 have same problem. Instead of "G" my battery has the "J" letter. I not remember full serial number. This afternoon at home I will see.
I hope the "offer" does not include a malfunctional battery.
Fri 22-Mar-13 01:55 AM | edited Fri 22-Mar-13 01:56 AM by kenuck
Bought V1 last August with 2 batteries. Both read "0" until recently, but now one of the batteries reads "2", even after a re-charge. Always charged at room temperature...no Nikon I don't leave them outside to charge
I have a D800 with two batteries that show zero in the life indicator, despite good usage since June of 2012. I bought a V1 from B&H in January of 2013, and the life indicator shows 2 despite low usage and room-temp charging. I contacted Nikon's "customer service," and was told that I probably screwed it up by over charging or some other egregious malfeasance, and that batteries aren't guaranteed anyway. I got quite curt with him, reminding him that I've owned a D70, a D200 and now a D800, and NONE of their batteries ever gave me a problem. I apparently shamed them into "examining" the problem. They want me to send in the battery AND the camera, and they will "consider" replacing the battery. They seem to go to almost any length to make it difficult to resolve issues.
I now have to ask myself whether the problem is the battery condition or only a readout issue. Do I want to spend $20 to send the camera, lens, SD card and battery back to Nikon in the hope that they will replace the possibly defective battery? They are probably hoping I won't. Nikon must be taking its business operating cues from all the lousy American companies that have a "piss on the customer" attitude. I have spent a lot of money on Nikon gear over the years, especially on pro glass, and their reaction to my concerns is disappointing, to say the least. I will certainly think twice about tossing more money their way. My next lens might very well say Tokina or Sigma on it instead of Nikkor like all my current glass. Wake up, Nikon!!!
Nikon's customer support is definitely hit and miss. I haven't had any issue with them, but the stuff I did was clearly broken and needed repair. I have one EL15 battery showing a 1 and it was not in the bad batch. It was the battery that came with the V1, too. I decided I won't worry about it right now. Maybe get a knockoff one to replace it.
The curious thing is that I can't think of any camera supplier that has a good reputation for customer service. You'd think that if one of the bigger companies decided to be outstanding there that they would quickly gain market share -- even if their product was not the absolute best.
last month i sent my malfunctional battery to nikon spain (finicon) and yesterday arrived a new battery with no charge for me (i only payed for the sending package to finicon). it marks 0 in battery life (ok). after some recharges i will post its status. i hope this will be ok.
Not to pick on anyone but this could be partly user error.
1. NEVER NEVER use a new lithium battery, even for a second, until it has been fully charged in the Nikon charger. Using it first can permanently damage it. Note that this is true of all lithium batteries whether for a camera, phone, or whatever. The instruction manual for every device I've ever purchased with a lithium battery has included this warning. It is not just CYA but a fact of life with lithium batteries (other technologies have their own issues).
2. Never use a hot battery fresh off the charger, let it cool down first. Using a hot battery will PERMANENTLY reduce its capacity and life. True for NiMH batteries as well.
3. Never charge a hot battery, let it cool off first. Charging a hot battery will PERMANENTLY reduce its capacity and life. It is true that battery temperature is monitored (see item 5) by the charger but they will usually start charging earlier than is best for the battery. True for NiMH batteries as well.
4. About once a month (if used regularly like a phone) or at about every 25-30 recharge cycles, run the battery fully down before charging (following the advice in point 2 above). This recalibrates the charging circuitry in the battery. If this isn't done, the charger will think the battery is fully charged earlier than it actually is and shut off charging. Then the battery will appear to be deteriorating faster (fewer shots per charge). Not to worry if you forget, just do it when it is convenient. No damage is done to the battery if it is not recalibrated, just to you wallet as you end up replacing a good battery.
5. All lithium batteries are smart batteries otherwise they would catch fire and/or explode when charged or used. There is a micro-chip in each battery which communicates with the charger and camera about charge state and temperature. Nikon also tracks charge cycles to give users a warning about the remaining life of the battery. Furthermore as they age, their capacity is steadily reduced.
6. The "don't run down below 50%" rule is for older battery technologies and doesn't apply to lithium. Lithium batteries have a total usage life that is unrelated to charge cycles, again unlike older technologies whose life was more related to charge cycles. For example: if a lithium battery could run a device for 1 hr. before total discharge, then its total life would be roughly 250-500 hours (there are differences in lithium technologies). If the battery is good for 250 one hour cycles than it is good for 500 half-hour cycles. This is partially true for NiMH and not true at all for NiCd or lead acid.
7. Lithium batteries do not have a memory effect like NiCd. Hence it does not hurt the battery to charge it when it has been lightly used or to recharge it partially before use.
People have often confused the charging methodology of the Toyota Hybrid system with the functioning of lithium batteries. Toyota uses NiMH batteries and their charging computer does not charge the batteries over 85% or let them drop below 20%. Hence, owners are getting greater than 300K miles / 10 years before possibly needing replacement. This applies to NiMH and NOT to lithium batteries. And yes, if we didn't mind some extra bulk (25%) and weight (double), NiMH would actually be superior to lithium for our cameras.
There is good info here but it apears rather specific to a single battery technology. While for lead-acid there are only 3 common technologies (normal, AGM and gel) with slightly different voltages and charging requirements, for lithium there are dozens. E.G. the battery chemistry in an iPhone is different than that in a Samsung which is different than a camera etc. Of course it will vary across manufacturers and product lines. I doubt whether the exact same chemistry is used in the D300 battery as is used by the D800 battery. This makes all recommendations a bit suspect.
My info is based on the batteries used in continuous discharge devices such as laptops, cellphones and some gardening equipment (e.g. Ryobi 40 volt lithium string trimmer). It could very well be wrong for devices like cameras and electric shavers.
One constant would be to only use the charger from the product manufacturer: Nikon batteries with Nikon chargers, Pearstone batteries in Pearstone chargers, etc.
There is good info on Wikepedia as well which more agrees with your link than my info.
The Battery University link Neil posted is my reference point as well. Speaking specifically of Lithium Ion batteries, they have some test results that provide evidence for the benefits on battery life of recharging at 40-50%. They also indicate that Li-ion batteries do not need to be fully discharged and recharged as there is no memory issue.
The cautions about heat are important and probably the biggest issue affecting battery life.