Hello, everyone -
Just discovered this forum a few weeks ago while doing some on-line research about the Nikon D7000, and thought I'd solicit some advise from the group.
I am on the fence between purchasing a new D7000 or a used D700.
I currently have two older Nikkor lenses (35-105 and 70-210) I bought for my FM2N that I would really like to use on a new digital body, for both reasons of economy and because I really like these lenses.
If I choose the D7000, FOV math tells me I'll end up with the equivalent of a 52-160 and a 105-320 between these two lenses, which seems appealing. If I add something like a 12-24DX lens to the 7000, I should have a pretty comprehensive setup, but I'm concerned that I'm going to miss having a good "walk around" range in a single lens like I would have if using that 35-105 on an FX body.
If I end up having to buy a mid-range or "super" zoom, I'm kind of defeating the purpose of holding on to those two lenses I really like.
If I go for the D700, I'd still want to add something on the wide angle end, but I think I'd be happy with a used 20 or 24mm AI Nikkor (for a budget-friendly option) or perhaps a wide angle zoom - and I have my walk around lens in the 35-105.
Cost-wise, the used D700 with a wide angle might be slightly more expensive but not prohibitively so.
I do a lot of landscape work, so wide angle is important, plus some wildlife stuff (nothing too serious) and a good bit of nighttime/existing light stuff.
Any thoughts on which set up would be preferable?
#1. "RE: D7000 or Used D700?" | In response to Reply # 0MotoMannequin Registered since 11th Jan 2006Thu 24-May-12 04:49 PM
For me, D7000 is preferrable for wildlife (telephoto) and D700 for low light and landscapes, although an excellent DX ultra-wide zoom like the 10-24 or 12-24 evens the field somewhat on landscapes.
Given your stated interests I'd say this is a tough call. Do you find your 70-210 acceptable for wildlife on your FM2n? If so then D700 probably works well for you.
Personally, I own a D7000 and not a D700 since I've never been happy with the pixel density of 12MP FX for wildlife (I shoot a Sigma 150-500 on the D7000 to 750mm equiv. for birds). A good DX ultra-wide like my 10-24 for me negates the crop factor issue for landscape so I'm good shooting DX exclusively although I admit I'd get probably a stop better low light performance with a D700 (the D800 breaks all these rules and I have one on (back)order). It's pretty rare the low light thing matters at all to me.
Also, you can buy D7000 with a really inexpesive kit lens like the 18-105 which would solve your walkaround issue.
Does that answer your question? No. I'd think you're probably more comfortable staying with 35mm format (FX) but I'm suspiscous that 210mm FX really works for you for wildlife.
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#2. "RE: D7000 or Used D700?" | In response to Reply # 1Thu 24-May-12 05:14 PM
Actually, that does help. The more I think about it (I over analyze everything anyway) the more I think what I'm really struggling with more than the FX/DX dilemma is lenses.
I have an Oly E-500 right now with the (very good) Zuiko kit lenses, and no matter what, I never seem to have the lens I really want on the body for travel and walk around use. I'm always wanting for just a bit more tele on the wider one, and more wide angle on the tele.
I have no problem keeping a shorter focal length zoom or a nice prime on if I know what I'm going to be shooting, but for casual use, I became spoiled with the 35-105.
I think your point of looking into the 18-105 makes a lot of sense for me. Add a 10-24 or 12-24 for true wide angle use and I'd be set. The 35-105 (52-160 effective) still has a place as a portrait lens and modest tele, and the macro is excellent on that lens.
You've helped more than you thought - thank you
#3. "RE: D7000 or Used D700?" | In response to Reply # 2purple5ive Registered since 07th Jan 2012Thu 24-May-12 09:16 PM
i would try both out at a shop before making up your mind
im new to photography but own the D7000 and have used the D700 many times. i get better pics with the D700 but in sayign that the D700 is solely used with a 70-200 f2.8 and the D7000 with the 18-105 kit lense.
the D700's will come down in price now due to D800 being released.
also Full frame vs Crop frame.
just food for thought.
#4. "RE: D7000 or Used D700?" | In response to Reply # 2gfinlayson Registered since 24th Jan 2011Thu 24-May-12 10:17 PM
For wildlife, the D7000 offers 50% more reach from telephotos and enough pixels to be able to crop if needed.
I sold an entire D700 setup, to buy a D7000 and a 500mm prime. I've got shots that just wouldn't have been possible with the D700. Sure, in low light, the D700 is tops, but ISO6400 on the D7000 is acceptable at smaller print sizes and for web publishing.
For a wide zoom on DX, consider the Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 as well. I like it far more than the 10-24 I used to own......
#5. "RE: D7000 or Used D700?" | In response to Reply # 4torwood Nikonian since 06th Dec 2010Fri 25-May-12 04:01 PM
There are a couple of other factors to consider:
1. The D700 is bigger and much heavier than the D7000. Don't know if this matters to you.
2. The D7000 has a higher frame rate than the D700.
3. The D7000 is excellent at high ISO, but the D700 might be slightly better depending on the subject.
4. The cameras have somewhat different handling characteristics. I like the handling and button placement of the D7000, as it matches the cameras I came up from. Others prefer the layout of the D700 because it uses the standard Nikon "Pro" layout going all the way back to the F-series film bodies.
5. A used D700 is going to cost close to $2,000. The price will drop as more D800's are delivered, but I think that is a year away, or more. A new D7000 has the full Nikon warranty and is about $1,200. That is a pretty significant price difference.
I had this similar debate last year when I was looking to upgrade from the D90 for better indoor sports photography. I have both DX and FX lenses, so that was not the issue. After months of agonizing and analysis, I opted to save the extra money, stay with DX (which helps me for outdoor field sports), and buy the D7000. I don't regret it. When the price of a used D700 drops to $1,000 or less, I may pick one up just to have an FX camera and try out the handling and the FX sensor indoors.
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#6. "RE: D7000 or Used D700?" | In response to Reply # 1
Well, I'm not the person to ask on this. I have a D7000 but was a little underwhelmed in the low light department. Other than that, it is an absolute splendid camera. I got a used D700 just a few days ago,and I can tell the difference in the quality. D7000 is chock full of features, and it's pro-sumer layout is probably a little easier for me to navigate. Of course, I've operated it longer, so it likely IS going to be more friendly to me. A buddy of mine told me (who owns a D700) that once you go full frame, you will likely never go back. Dunno if that's right or not, but I'll try to let you know in a few weeks. The D800 that I have on order is going to take far longer than that to come in, so cutting my teeth on a D700 ain't so bad. Even though I know technically the D7000 should have better dynamic range, the first few days with the D700 seem to be telling me something different.
I have likely not helped any...I'm sorry...I'll stop. Besides, collecting camera equipment is my strong suit. Advice? Not so much.
#7. "RE: D7000 or Used D700?" | In response to Reply # 6Fri 25-May-12 06:25 PM
Sincere thanks to everyone who's chimed in here so far - you're all making excellent points and giving me lots to think about.
I actually picked up a D700 (and a couple of Canons, including the 5D and 7D just for comparison's sake) alongside the D7000.
The Canons just didn't feel right to me, and the buttons were in what I considered awkward places. I'm sure you get used to the control layout in time, but the way Nikon lays things out just makes better sense to me inherently. Beyond that, the Canon lenses (minus the one L I tried) feel cheap. I don't know how else to say it. The focus and zoom rings weren't smooth, and the whole tactile experience just said "plastic" to me.
The D700 actually felt a bit big and heavy to me. I loved the viewfinder for its size, but in the short period of time I had it walking around the store, it kept occurring to me that I wasn't sure if I'd want to haul something that chunky around all day on a casual shoot or a vacation.
The D7000 felt at home in my hands the moment I picked it up.
I think I was trying to justify using ALL of my existing lenses to make a kit and avoid having to buy anything new, and that's throwing my thinking off.
I've read good things about the Nikon 16-85 zoom and that covers everything I'd need for a walk around lens without giving up quality completely. I have the 70-210, so I'm well covered for the long shots. At some point I might want to add a super wide angle (the Tokina 11-16 gets glowing reviews) but then again, 16 might be all I need.
Again, I appreciate the input and suggestions. I'm still a few weeks away from making the purchase, but when I do, I'll be sure to post some shots
#9. "RE: D7000 or Used D700?" | In response to Reply # 8Fri 25-May-12 08:02 PM
Thanks, Soapstop -
Since both current lenses are 35mm/FX, I think they'd work quite nicely on the DX body. Having those on hand will let me put the $ toward a better quality all-around or wide-angle for the 7000 is what I'm figuring...
#10. "RE: D7000 or Used D700?" | In response to Reply # 9Fri 25-May-12 08:07 PM
I getcha. I hope you didn't think I was putting down your glass that you have. Both good lens (I really haven't met a Nikon lens that I thought was crud) and if you've used them for a long time, you know exactly how to get the best out of them. That's where it starts paying off. Well done.
#11. "RE: D7000 or Used D700?" | In response to Reply # 10Fri 25-May-12 08:13 PM
Not at all! There's better out there for sure, but it does lend credibility to the approach that money spent toward glass is probably a better investment in the long run.
I made the beginner's mistake of putting a cheap lens on a decent film camera (back in the day...) and learned my lesson quickly. Yeah, it had great range, but what it ultimately delivered was mediocre IQ over that wide range.
I actually bought the 70-210 AF Nikkor used not long ago for $100, though it looks and shoots absolutely brand new. I do love the quick and quiet motors in the new Nikon lenses, but since so many people have forgotten about the older Nikkors, it seems there are bargains to be had providing you have a body with AF built in... or don't mind actually focusing manually... there's an idea!
#12. "RE: D7000 or Used D700?" | In response to Reply # 11Fri 25-May-12 08:28 PM
Focus manually? Oh, the horrors! Yes, out late waiting for the full "super" moon to appear, waiting in vain as the clouds came in, so I was left with manual focus in very, very dim light. Manual focus, another of my "not my strong suit" check offs, lol. Let us know when you get the camera Jim, and looking forward to your pics.
#13. "RE: D7000 or Used D700?" | In response to Reply # 0
When I bought my D7000 about 14mos ago, I was trying to make the same decision as you are now. I was upgrading from a D40, and I needed something for shooting my daughter's school sports...along with the typical family outings, field trips, etc...
I loved everything that I read about the D700, but I didn't have any lenses, and the price was putting me off. I ended up with the D7000, and I've since added a 50mm 1.8D, 35mm 1.8G DX, 18-105mm "kit" lens, and 70-200mm VRII. My D7000/70-200mm VRII combo has done wonderfully for me for basketball and volleyball, and rarely comes off of the camera. Sure, I'd love to be able to get slightly higher shutter speeds, or slightly lower ISO, but my combo is handling what I need it to handle. Since I bought the D7000, I've spent much time deliberating whether I'd be better off selling off the D7000 and getting a D700 (better low-light performance). At the end of the day I've realized that my D7000 is doing what I need it to do, so I've decided to invest in some lenses for the time being and I'm going to wait and see what happens later this year!!!
My next lens is going to be the Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8!!!
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