Hello folks, I'm hoping to be able to grab some advice. Tomorrow night I am to shoot a friends "open mic night". He's doing his stuff (Rap) on stage and has asked me to come along and support him. Now last night, I took my D7000 to a venue and did a test run, I shot approx 20 min of film on full 1080 & using the inbuilt Mic. Sadly I wasn't impressed with my results at all, the sound was poor (was on auto) but I was very close to the speakers... I was using the 18-200 3.5 - 5.6 GII ED VR Lens with the Video settings on auto. Depth of field wasn't great, the camera kept shifting focus on different members of the band. Anyway, I digress, that just shows my ineptitude with the camera, not a fault with the gear. Can you offer me some pointers please, he will be on his own on stage, I have been out today and bought the Rode videomic, I think its the entry level model. (Not the Pro or stereo versions) So I will go tomorrow night with this new Mic, no time to test and still very shaky on how to set the camera up for a manual 1080 shoot with the lens stated above. I also have the D200 & will take some stills with my 50mm 1.4 in available light. So, if needed, and there's the space, I may use the 50 for the Video shoot, all depends on what space I have, no way of knowing till I get there. Basically, can anyone tell me how I should set the manual mode up in Video settings, and, how to optimise the new Mic i have now ? It has three settings from what I can gather after reading whats available online & in box. 0db, -10dB & -20dB and a further "high Pass" setting. I see an Auto setting in-camera & further setting there also, forgive my ignorance, but I'm totally in the dark here & really dont wanna let my friend down. Please help if you can.
Kind regards, Flappers
#1. "RE: D7000 & The Rode Videomic." | In response to Reply # 0GCDawn Registered since 18th Dec 2010Sun 04-Dec-11 06:57 AM
I don't know anything about the mic but I have had good video results using manual focus and a prime lens. Part of the problem with the inbuilt mic is that it picks up the autofocus motor sounds. I find it easier to focus if I don't have to worry about where the focus ring is and where the zoom ring is. I don't change the video menu options, just flick the manual focus lever before going into live view. Not sure if this will help you for your assignment, but good luck!!
#2. "RE: D7000 & The Rode Videomic." | In response to Reply # 1Sun 04-Dec-11 07:51 AM | edited Sun 04-Dec-11 07:51 AM by Flappers
Thanks for your reply GCDawn, when you say "Prime" lens, will any I have mentioned in the above post qualify as that, and where should my ISO & aperture be please for optimum results. And again, if anyone can help with the sound settings it will be greatly appreciated.
Kind regards, Flappers
#3. "RE: D7000 & The Rode Videomic." | In response to Reply # 2GCDawn Registered since 18th Dec 2010Sun 04-Dec-11 06:52 PM
Again, others will have more knowledge of video than I. Your 50mm 1.4G is certainly a prime lens and I have used that successfully - but you know what that field of view is and it may not be suitable at the venue. My setup is - with the default video settings the camera adjusts the ISO. I set the aperture (I usually use Aperture priority for stills) BEFORE I go into live view. For a dark room I would use a wide-ish aperture, somewhere between 2.8 and 4. At 1.4 it would be impossible to focus for me. Ask your friend where he will move and if possible set yourself up so he moves across your field of view rather than towards you. That will make focus more forgiving. I hope you get a good result!!!
#4. "RE: D7000 & The Rode Videomic." | In response to Reply # 1imagexcel Registered since 11th Oct 2011Sun 04-Dec-11 06:54 PM
Flappers-- The first thing you need to do is go into the microphone level controls and figure out which setting is going to work best with that mic. I think those are under "movie settings," but I don't have the camera or the manual in front of me to check that out. You will have four settings to choose from, high, medium, low, and auto. You will need to manage this carefully depending on how "hot" the mic is. Auto may work OK, but you could end up with "bouncing" volume levels as the ambient noise gets louder and softer. However, it should at least be far better than the internal mic.
I know that with the Nikon-brand external mic I have (the ME-1), the "high" setting is too hot, and "medium" is right for most circumstances. Also, I have an extension cord so that I can take the mic off the camera and put it closer to the subject for better sound.
Best of luck, -BC-
#5. "RE: D7000 & The Rode Videomic." | In response to Reply # 0
The relative weakness of in camera microphones is they are multi directional, and pick up audience sound behind the camera as well as the sound of VR or AF.
Your Rode is directional - cutting out most of the noise you probably do not want.
Make sure you press the jack fully home - if you do not you get no sound
Make sure you switch the Rode battery on - if you do not you get no sound
Photography is a bit like archery. A technically better camera, lens or arrow may not hit the target as often as it could if the photographer or archer does not practice enough.
#6. "RE: D7000 & The Rode Videomic." | In response to Reply # 5Wed 07-Dec-11 08:20 AM | edited Wed 07-Dec-11 08:28 AM by Flappers
Thanks for all your input, much appreciated. I had the settings in-camera for the Mic set to Low, & no adjustments made on the Mic. The sound was "OK" but I'm getting noise on the louder parts of the soundtrack. I have just bought Adobe Premiere Elements 10 and have - I'm assuming - options in there to remove the "hiss" at the loudest parts of the track, but unsure what options do what : /
Edit: I have tried & not been able to reduce this noise significantly. Would Adobe Audition do a better job at cleaning the soundtrack up please ?
#7. "RE: D7000 & The Rode Videomic." | In response to Reply # 6SirPuttsAlot Registered since 26th Sep 2011Wed 07-Dec-11 09:06 AM
Just my 2 cents on the subject. It's great to have a single device to perform double duty but by comparison, my results with the D7000's video are equal to an iPhone in anything but perfect situations compared to my Canon Vixia Camcorder.
If you can live with the nuances of taking video with the D7000 and get the results you want, Great. But if you are struggling with trying to get the results you want and/or have to continue to purchase additional equipment to get those results, I would weigh how much you will use video before you drop any more money trying to turn the D7000 into something I believe it's not. If it's a lot, I would invest in a dedicated camcorder.
My Vixia is smaller than my 24-70 lens and fits right in my camera bag, minus the mic and wide angle lens. Also, they encode in nice and efficient AVCHD, not the fat and bloated MPEG4 of the D7000. I still think that DSRL's are a few generations away from making Camcorders obsolete, but I do hope they get there sooner.
#8. "RE: D7000 & The Rode Videomic." | In response to Reply # 7Wed 07-Dec-11 10:01 AM
>Just my 2 cents on the subject. It's great to have a single
>device to perform double duty but by comparison, my results
>with the D7000's video are equal to an iPhone in anything but
>perfect situations compared to my Canon Vixia Camcorder.
>If you can live with the nuances of taking video with the
>D7000 and get the results you want, Great. But if you are
>struggling with trying to get the results you want and/or have
>to continue to purchase additional equipment to get those
>results, I would weigh how much you will use video before you
>drop any more money trying to turn the D7000 into something I
>believe it's not. If it's a lot, I would invest in a
>My Vixia is smaller than my 24-70 lens and fits right in my
>camera bag, minus the mic and wide angle lens. Also, they
>encode in nice and efficient AVCHD, not the fat and bloated
>MPEG4 of the D7000. I still think that DSRL's are a few
>generations away from making Camcorders obsolete, but I do
>hope they get there sooner.
Your making sense pall, will go window shop
#9. "RE: D7000 & The Rode Videomic." | In response to Reply # 8km6xz Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2009Wed 07-Dec-11 10:40 AM
Recording sound from the audience, with little direct sound, mostly reflections, is not going to sound that great. Getting the mic up close to the sound source will improve the signal to noise and desired signal to garbage ratios significantly. That can be done by using a mic cable and setting up a mic close by, or using a talent mounted lapel mic. A mic will be used by your friend so an alternative is to talk to the house mixer to see if you can get a feed from his mixer.
The recording quality of the D7000 is quite good but using the internal mic requires deactivating the AF so motor noise is not present and making sure the acoustic environment of the camera/mic is good. That is hard to do. Note that you also have a syncing problem if using the built-in/hot-shoe mounted external. As little as 10ms of delay between image visuals and sound is irritating to humans. Figure that the sound is only in sync when the mic is close to the source because sound it really slow in propagating, whereas the light for the image is not. A scene using a longer lens, from a more distant shooting distance will have enough delay of the sound to be noticed. Sound travels 1100 ft per second(roughly) so the problem appears when mic'd as little as 10 feet away. 30 feet away from the source that is being photographed will be noticeable. That is the second significant reason to mic remotely, close to the performer.
If there a loud sound system, I would not even use a mic however, and talk nicely to the house mixer for a feed path. Mic'ing a direct sound source can sound quite good with the mic you have or the built-in but mic'ing a reproduction of sound via the PA system will not sound good regardless of what mics you use. A $3000 studio mic will sound worse than the built-in mic if the studio mic is sampling sound coming from the PA speakers while the built-in mic is sampling direct sound in a quiet acoustic environment. By the way, the mic element inside the camera and inside the Rode mic is probably the same.
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#10. "RE: D7000 & The Rode Videomic." | In response to Reply # 9Vlad_IT Nikonian since 21st Sep 2011Wed 07-Dec-11 03:47 PM | edited Wed 07-Dec-11 03:48 PM by Vlad_IT
just to add a few worlds to the video part. for video purpose camera uses only small part of 16MP Dx sensor, so you will get P&S camera DOF - which is much greater for video, than for photo. You might be OK with apertures in range f/1.4 - f/2.0 depending on the distance.