Well I think I'm suffering from analysis paralysis. Do I go for the D700 or F5, or both? If I go for both I'll be eating can tuna every day for the next few months.
I haven't been able to find any direct comparisons of the two cameras. Originally I intended to go for a D700 with a 24-70mm lens, but I also 'want' a F5 just for fun.
#1. "RE: Re: D700 or F5? crunch time" | In response to Reply # 0narc Registered since 07th Aug 2008Tue 18-Nov-08 10:12 AM
Why do you want 2 (expensive) cameras that are so similar?
Get the D700 and then something that is different for film fun, like a leica M, medium format (RF or slr) or even a manual Nikon film body if you must have Nikon
#2. "RE: Re: D700 or F5? crunch time" | In response to Reply # 0gwelland Nikonian since 23rd Apr 2003Tue 18-Nov-08 10:32 AM
If you get a D700 then I seriously doubt that you'll ever use the F5 unless you've got a deep seated penchant for film. Save the money and get the 24-70 - it's a killer lens and an ideal complement to the D700.
As an alternative, consider some primes - the D700 is an ideal platform for smaller lighter lens outfits.
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#3. "RE: Re: D700 or F5? crunch time" | In response to Reply # 0MichaelAlan Registered since 25th Sep 2008Tue 18-Nov-08 11:44 AM | edited Tue 18-Nov-08 11:52 AM by MichaelAlan
You aren't really comparing apples to apples so good luck finding a direct comparison. One is film, one is digital. The D700 has all the latest and greatest bells and whistles from Nikon where the F5 is still very good but has been succeeded by an F6 which has Nikon's latest film bells and whistles. Latest studies show that digital is holding it's own against film. The D700 is full frame so your lenses will be able to look just how they would if on a film body. The D700 has live view and 51 AF points where the F5 means you can't see your images until after the roll of film is developed...
The overhead for both cameras is totally different. If you go with the F5 then you will have additional film and lab costs.
If you shoot the D700 then you will have an upfront memory card and possibly software and hardware purchase like a new computer...
IT all depends on your skill set and what you currently own. If you have been a film shooter and always a film shooter then do you want to keep doing that? If so then pick up the F5. If you now shoot 90% in digital then the D700 will be the camera that will make you 110% convert! I would rather see you save and get a real nice lens than to get an F5 for nostalgia's sake you know?
If you are in a pinch, you could always just get software such as Exposure 2 or Nik's Color Efex 3 which can take your digital files and mimic what they would look like if shot on a wide array of films...
#4. "RE: Re: D700 or F5? crunch time" | In response to Reply # 3SolaresLarrave Basic MemberTue 18-Nov-08 01:45 PM
When it comes to camera bodies, I have a little rule: you can always buy a film body used, but if you want a digital camera, buy it new. Film bodies are relatively easy to repair, and even complex ones like the F5 are relatively "easy" compared to any digital body. In short, get the D700 now (or later), but get it first. By then, the price of any F5 will be so low you'll be able to afford it.
BTW, I have two film bodies: the F100 and the F5. To me, the D700 is closer in shape and nature to the F100. The F5 is probably closer to the D3... and that one scares me!
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#5. "RE: Re: D700 or F5? crunch time" | In response to Reply # 4Tue 18-Nov-08 06:35 PM
Wow thanks for the comprehensive replies despite this being my first post. All makes good sense I've been talked out of the F5. I'll go the D700 with the 24-70 and look at getting something different down the track. I'll post some pictures once I pick her up.
#7. "RE: Re: D700 or F5? crunch time" | In response to Reply # 5MichaelAlan Registered since 25th Sep 2008Thu 20-Nov-08 12:05 AM
You will be pleasantly surprised with the D700!
Have you shot with digital SLR's before or will this be a new endeavor for you?
#13. "RE: Re: D700 or F5? crunch time" | In response to Reply # 7Wed 26-Nov-08 08:11 AM
Well I ordered the D700 with the 24-70mm. I currently own a Nikon D40 so this will be a big upgrade.
I also just purchased a 4gb sandisk compact flash card (ducati).
Now I'm looking at camera bags - any suggestions? It's really hard to wait.
Apparently there is no 24-70 in stock so I need to wait 3 weeks. (I'm in Australia)
#8. "RE: Re: D700 or F5? crunch time" | In response to Reply # 0
An F5 shouldn't cost an awful lot of money these days. I bet if you look carefully you can get a nice one for $250-$300. F100's are now fairly easy to get for $150 or so - only the smallest number of folks have any interest at all. I got my F100 for $129 + a replacement eyering. Come to think of it, I think they had an F5 for around $300. KEH is asking about $350 for a EX grade sample, and that's almost certainly the price you shouldn't be exceeding.
Realistically, the cost of a film camera these days is the processing cost. If you can get your film processed at a reasonable price, film cameras are incredibly inexpensive.
At this stage I have almost no true need for an F5 - but I rather imagine that prices will continue to slide, and I'm pretty sure I'll get one eventually.
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#9. "RE: Re: D700 or F5? crunch time" | In response to Reply # 8SolaresLarrave Basic MemberThu 20-Nov-08 12:26 PM
I have three Nikon bodies: two are film (F100 and F5) and the third is the D700. I will keep using the film stuff because it's fun, but I adopted digital as an alternate source of images.
The choice between an F5 and a D700 isn't that easy if you were to consider the cameras on their own merits; however, given the economic aspects of each choice, at this point it's better to pick the digital body first and buy the film body later. The prices for F5s will continue to go down and there are always good chances of getting a babied body for relatively little money.
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#10. "RE: Re: D700 or F5? crunch time" | In response to Reply # 9mbarrett635 Nikonian since 26th Jun 2007Fri 21-Nov-08 05:39 AM
While they don't say what kind of film they used, other than ISO 400, this is an interesting comparison of extreme blowups shot with the D700 and F5: http://fwd.five.tv/videos/challenge-blow-up-part-3
Guess which one "won"?
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#11. "RE: Re: D700 or F5? crunch time" | In response to Reply # 10PPPP Registered since 25th Apr 2007Tue 25-Nov-08 02:49 PM | edited Tue 25-Nov-08 02:52 PM by PPPP
>While they don't say what kind of film they used, other than
>ISO 400, this is an interesting comparison of extreme blowups
>shot with the D700 and F5:
>Guess which one "won"?
Ok Digital won.
If the image was an 8 x 10 or on a PC screen, would you be able to see any difference.
A D700 has a funding cost and significant depreciation. maybe it makes sense to get an F5 for a year and wait for prosumer FX cameras to become more competitive, or further improved.
I should add that I have just sold my D200, and do plan to buy a D700 eventually but will use my F4 for a few months.
#12. "RE: Re: D700 or F5? crunch time" | In response to Reply # 10fishingcat Registered since 15th Sep 2008Tue 25-Nov-08 09:50 PM
IMO, what they did is not comparing apples to apples.
First, they compared a native digital file to a scanned digital file and then subjected both to an unusual printing process, likely ... digital. So the end result is that film reproduction quality is limited to scanning technology ... that's not an evaluation of FILM, but of a scanner.
Second, I'm left wondering what controls (and knowledge) were applied to assuring maximum film quality. Unless the point to be made was that Joe Consumer can get better pictures without having to think or know anything (the D700 isn't an entry-level camera, or even an entry-level DSLR), I really think that skin tones on film would be better controlled by a professional film photog.
For my own purposes, I'd prefer to compare large photographic prints (at least 8x10); probably most commercial users would want to see the results on the equivalent of magazine pages, or whatever media they employ.
That is, if I were forced to choose between the two. Happily, I have both now.
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#14. "RE: Re: D700 or F5? crunch time" | In response to Reply # 0
I own both cameras and will tell you that the D700 is my main camera. I shoot black and white through my F5 for the most part. The expense of development and scanning keep me from doing a lot of color through the F5. That is just a statement of economics right now. It is a great camera for all types of shooting. The color I get from my D700 is visually as good as the F5, but I prefer the look of Tri-X for black and white shots, not the monochrome in the D700. Note that I don't print larger than 8x10 for the most part.
Given the the two choices, I would opt for the D700 (assuming the price is not the issue). What I would suggest is that you also invest in a nice light meter. I used meters for a long time but put them aside when matrix metering came along. Getting back into B&W with the F5 got me using a meter again and I like taking the time to think about the exposure now and really plan what I want to see in the image. It is too easy with a digital camera to just shoot and shoot and delete and delete until you get the one you want and then lose the benefit of having to previsualize.
Bottom line is that the D700 and F5 are very different cameras. Both are fantastic, but they are very different.
#15. "RE: Re: D700 or F5? crunch time" | In response to Reply # 0
I went with the D700 and have no regrets. I still have my old F100 which loaded with Fuji Velvia 50 was the best camera that I ever owned. It took work but enabled me to shot what was in my minds-eye. Since I've gone digital it hasn't gotten much use and with the D700 it will achieve museum status. A used F series can be had for peanuts if you just have to shot some slide film but I would for go the F5 and buy more good glass.