Just purchased a D700 and the early review is it's a fantastic camera. I also got the MBD10 grip for two reason first the vertical release and second for the increase to 8fps. The later requires a EN-EL4a battery according to everything I have read. Here is my question I currently have a D2h that uses the EN-EL4 battery. Are the two interchangeable or do I need to buy the EN-EL4a battery for use with the D700? Hope someone has an answer.
Get a 8-pack of Eneloops and try them, especially if you already have decent AA charger for NiMH AAs. I have 3 sets of AAs other brands for flash, but they don't perform as Eneloops at all, although they are all sertified with +800mAh above Eneloops.
Fri 14-Nov-08 10:46 AM | edited Fri 14-Nov-08 10:46 AM by SolaresLarrave
>Just purchased a D700 and the early review is it's a >fantastic camera. I also got the MBD10 grip for two reason >first the vertical release and second for the increase to >8fps. The later requires a EN-EL4a battery according to >everything I have read. Here is my question I currently have >a D2h that uses the EN-EL4 battery. Are the two >interchangeable or do I need to buy the EN-EL4a battery for >use with the D700? Hope someone has an answer.
The grip can take the battery you have, but you'll need to buy the little door to keep it safe inside the grip. It can also take another EN-EL3e, or 8 AA batteries (which can be alkaline, lithium or two types of rechargeable batteries). You should have the battery tray for another EN-EL3e, so it's a choice between buying another one, or buying the batery chamber cover to use the EN-EL4a instead.
Fri 14-Nov-08 11:12 AM | edited Fri 14-Nov-08 11:13 AM by Oldtimer
Thanks for the help. You answered my question. I'll give the old battery a try first to make sure it gets me to 8fps if not than make the purchase. It does look like Nikon should include the BL3 door with the grip. Just another slip up like not including Capture NX2 with the D700.
OT, I'd get 8 good rechargeables and that'd be the end of it. It's more cost effective. However, if you prefer the EN-EL4 to do double duty, the battery chamber cover will cost more than the rechargeables.
OK.. I just ordered the Eneloop rechargeables. I figured it was the cheapest way to get started. I'll probably add an EN-EL4a and battery case door come baseball season, by that time the shock of the D700 purchase will have worn off. I hope! Thanks for all the input everyone.
There is another reason besides the 8FPS to use the En-EL4a battery, and that is that it lasts much longer than either AA batteries or even the EN-EL3 battery.
Slap an EN-EL3 in the camera, an EL-EL4A in the grip, and you are good to go for over 3000 pictures before you need to change a battery again!
Though I already have 5 En-EL3 batteries and TONS of rechargeable 2700mah AA batteries, I ordered the Phottix clone En-El4a battery from Hong Kong. The price was an incredible $50US *delivered* (and comes with it's own charger!), so I had nothing to lose and wanted to test it out. We'll see how it performs and if it gives me both 8FPS and over 1500 shots from a charge reliably, that would be interesting. _________________________________________________________________ Just your average enthusiastic Nikonian from Montreal, Quebec, Canada!
let us know how you get on with it please. I do advertising work for Panasonic and actually get given batteries to photograph, and whilst waiting for the Eneloops to arrive, I popped in some 'Digital Extreme Powers™' At first I thought that these were the babies I needed and they were free, but after about 50 shots, the camera kept switching to the En-EL3, to be fair I've no idea how old they were, but I wasn't impressed. The Eneloops are continuing to amaze me by way of comparison.
Just to clarify, the EN-EL3e battery will not get you to 8fps but it does of course run the camera. Personally, I use the EN-EL4a which is expensive (as is the charger and the extra battery chamber door) but lasts a very long time. Also I don't have to fiddle around with 8 batteries.
*any* AA batteries (alkaline, NiMH, and NiMH low self-discharge) will provide 8FPS with the MB-D10 on the D300 and D700 bodies. The differences between them will be battery life, and self-discharge when not in use. Eneloops are the Sanyo-brand low-self-discharge NiMH cells, there are lots of other brands out there that are similar.
Getting back to the super-expensive Nikon EN-EL4a plus BL-3 battery cap plus MH-21 (or MH-22) charger...
There are BL-3 cap knockoffs available on eBay for $18 shipped, much cheaper than the $40 or so for the Nikon plastic part. This still leaves the $100+ battery and $100+ charger. Read on...
There is a 3rd party substitute that replaces all three components, and seems to work well (I don't have one, but search for 'Kosmo' and you should find user reports without much trouble). It costs $55, shipped, total. It is custom fitted for the MB-D10, so it won't be of any use for D3 or D2 bodies. Search eBay for 'phottix kosmo'.
Even with 8AAs (alkalines)in mine only seems to run at about 5fps. What am i doing wrong !! Is there a menu setting specifically for the High Speed continuous release? I have everything pretty much set to manual just to make sure nothing else like autofocus is holding back the fps.
Do you have the battery type set in the camera's menu? Do you have CH set? Are the batteries fresh? What is the temperature? If the temperature is low the FPS rate will decrease. Are you using a fast shutter speed (1/250th sec. or faster)? Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!
For a rapid sequence of shots, as in sport shooting, I use a SanDisk Extreme 4, 4GB rated at 45MB/s, tested at about 24MB/s on the D700, and set the "QUAL" to JPEG "NORM" with a greater than 1/500s shutter speed, shutter priority, high ISO, and ISO auto off. I prefer more DOF than less noise for sports shooting.
Using the MB-D10 with 8 NiMH AA fully charged batteries, I can shoot continuously at 8fps, uninterrupted, until reaching the set max limit.
Just to clarify something, if you already have a D2H, you can use both the EN-EL4 battery and it's charger. Thus your total cost does not have to include a charger. I use this very combination of D2H and D700, and the charger that came with the D2H works with both the EN-EL4 and the EN-EL4a batteries. If you already have the battery and charger, all you need to buy is the battery cover. The AAs may still be cheaper, but it's an option.
I agree with other posters that the combination of the D700 with MB-B10 using an EN-EL4 type battery in the grip and an EN-EL3e in the camera body can get you through a long day shooting.
I recently used this combination on a wildlife shoot, and shot around 3,000 shots in a single day, most of them at 8fps, and still had battery power. I really don't know the longevity of using AAs in the grip, as I haven't tried that, and others can probably give you a good idea of that.
Whichever way you decide to go, I'm sure you'll enjoy your new equipment. Have fun.