Hi, I've been trying to solve this problem for a while, but it looks like I ran out of all my resources... Here's the problem:
I'm working on two Mac computers. Mac Pro works on Tiger, laptop on Leopard. Both systems are updated, both systems run identical photo programs: Capture NX2, View NX, Lightroom 2. The problem is that I cannot see D700 NEF previews (thumbnails) when I open my picture folders on Leopard. On Tiger everything looks right: I open a folder - I see thumbnails. Both systems have 'show icon preview' checked. Why the old Tiger performs like it should and the new Leopard doesn't? Anyone has a hint? Of course, with D200's NEFs everything is right on both systems.
Tue 09-Sep-08 05:58 PM | edited Wed 10-Sep-08 03:36 AM by Spiritwood
Yes, but isn't it strange that it works well on an older system (Tiger) and it doesn't work at all on a new system (Leopard)? D700 didn't even exist in Tiger's times therefore if Tiger is able to show D700 NEFs as thumbnails then the problem must be located someplace else. It's just my thought - I'm not a computer expert. To me it looks like Leopard cannot extract jpg out of NEF to create a thumbnail while Tiger somehow knows how to do it. As I said before - both my computers run identical software except the system.
First... I don't have the answer! But I DO have some input that may help us all FIND the answer. I have an iMac 20 running Leopard. The NEF files I took with my D200 show as icons in the Finder. The NEF images I have taken with my recently acquired D700 do NOT show as icons in the Finder. So... it must have something to do with the NEF files.... this doesn't explain why you can see the NEF files as icons with Tiger however. I'm confused!
When you open a folder, there's a number of icons on the upper left hand corner that work as models of the way you want to see the items in the folder. If you click on the one that has several horizontal lines one right above the other, you'll see the files in List mode. If you click on the icon with small squares, you'll get the thumbnail mode.
Let's hope that's what it is.
BTW, I have two macs, one with Tiger and the other, newer, with Leopard. Both systems offer a choice. It took me a while to figure it out...
My setup is exactly like you described. Considering the fact, that some D700 users (see Adobe's forums) are complaining about not being able to open NEFs under Lightroom 2 on Leopard, which works perfectly fine for me, I dare to make a statement that there's something wrong with Leopard. Either its behavior depends on a Mac model (specific hardware) or it is just a random problem based on moon phases As I said before and Solares confirmed that: my settings seem to be right. I am a Mac user since 1999 and I know more or less how to force a Mac to cooperate... Somehow Leo refuses to do it
I'm a recently retired teacher who was a technology integration teacher for the past 18 years. I supported classroom teachers and students to use computers and other technology both as an instructional tool and as creative and research tool. I'm not trying to blow my own horn, but I know my way around a Mac and a PC. I can confirm this anomaly and would like some help trying to discover why it's happening (or not happening) to me as well. Here's a screen shot not displaying my D700 NEF's, yet displaying the single jpg correctly. I could (and will if you like) show you another folder from my D200 displaying the NEF's as expected. Note that the correct file display mode is selected.
Hi, This problem might be caused when different apps are associated with a file type in Leopard - Try this see if it helps:
1. Click on one of those NEF files 2. Do a "cmd+i" simultaneously (or cmd+click on file and pick Get Info) 3. Now, look at "Open with" section - below it it will show the default app and below that it would show "Change All..." 4. Click on "Change All..." 5. Just in case, make sure you have "show icon preview" is checked in the folder's "Show View Options" under "View" menu.
Note: In step 4, in case "Change all" is greyed out, just change the default app to something else and then re-choose the correct/previous app. Now it will be active so click on "Change All".
If you followed the steps there's a big chance it'll fix the problem and previews will show up.
I found this statement while searching for a solution.
This is the strangest thing. At home I've got a 24" iMac running 10.5.4, with which I have no problem opening NEF files shot on a Nikon D700. I'm on the road at the moment, and have purchased a used MacBook, which is also running 10.5.4. I've installed all the latest updates, but despite that, I'm unable to open NEF files shot with the same camera using Preview.
Update: I don't see a delete button for posts. I've found out that 10.5.4 doesn't support the D700 NEF format.
Sat 13-Sep-08 01:53 PM | edited Sat 13-Sep-08 02:23 PM by PeteG
For what its worth, I'm running a Mac Pro, OS 10.4.11, and can view the thumbnails in Finder from my D700 NEFs. I checked the information and noticed the thumbnails are considered Camera Raw, being opened in preview, not CS3 or LR2. I do have ACR 4.5 added to CS3.
On the one taken with D700, did you try the workaround in my last post (i.e. change "Open with" to some other app, change it back to Adobe Photoshop CS3, then click on "Change All...") ? Does that help?
Now, the OP mentioned not seeing thumbnails of photographs taken with the D700. However, can your computer open the files?
My own Leopard machine sometimes fails to show thumbnails of photographs scanned, but it always opens the documents, be it in .psd or .jpg format. Of course, it has the Preview or ColorSync applications assigned as default applications, but thanks to Sam this is easy to fix.
Can you open NEF files at all, or is it a problem with thumbnails?
Thanks in advance! I'm following this topic as I intend to buy a D700 next year. Hopefully, by then these wrinkles will have been ironed out.
Sun 14-Sep-08 05:32 PM | edited Sun 14-Sep-08 05:33 PM by Spiritwood
It doesn't change anything. I tried to associate NEFs with Lightroom 2, Capture NX 2 and View NX. Each of these programs handle D700's NEFs very well, but it doesn't change the way Leopard deals with them... As Don Menges wrote: Leo doesn't cope with D700's NEFs. We all are living proof. The most surprising is the fact that it all works perfectly on Tiger. I guess apple is waiting for Photokina to update everything at the same time.
The sad thing is that Apple is slowly going from being THE computer company into being an entertaining company. Too much focus on iPhone, iPod and other 'i' stuff makes them forget why people chose the system in the first place: reliability and confidence.
>As Don Menges wrote: Leo doesn't cope with D700's NEFs. We all >are living proof. The most surprising is the fact that it all >works perfectly on Tiger. >I guess apple is waiting for Photokina to update everything at >the same time.
Well, I doubt that iPhoto or Aperture, running on Tiger, support D700 NEFs. It's just the icon preview - which in my mind isn't particularly helpful if the OS can't do anything useful with the file.
When Apple updated Aperture to version 2, they changed how RAW files (not just NEFs) are supported - it's in the OS rather than the application. I suspect very strongly that Leopard, which was only released a few months before Aperture 2, already (at its release) had the equivalent core RAW support of Aperture 1.5 built in. With features like Quick Look built into Leopard, it's not surprising that Apple would've changed the way previews of EVERY file - not just images - are generated. Tiger, being older, still does it the old-fashioned way by using the embedded jpegs present in the file.
The thing that bugs me about all this, though, is how Apple's Joe Schorr stated that making this switch (over to OS support for RAW files, rather than app support) was painful, but necessary so that Apple could, in the future, be much more responsive when it comes to supporting new camera models - remember the lag in Aperture's support for the D300 and D3, for which Apple got a lot of well-deserved grief? Well, we're rapidly approaching 2 months since the release, and 3 months since the announcement, of the D700 - and still there's no RAW support from Apple. Lightroom managed to add provisional support the D700 almost immediately. So it seems obvious, at least to me, Apple didn't make this change based on its merits regarding pro-active support for their supposedly Pro app - nothing's changed at their end.
>Well, I doubt that iPhoto or Aperture, running on Tiger, >support D700 NEFs. It's just the icon preview - which in >my mind isn't particularly helpful if the OS can't do anything >useful with the file.
I never wrote they would. Hell, I don't even care if they do, because I don't use them But what I am missing in Leopard is - as you wrote - a simple icon preview. Sometimes it's just faster to browse through your pictures using OS windows than running View NX / Lightroom or whatever program you're using...
Aside from that, your post is the first one that brings some light on the subject and I am really grateful for that. There's only one question to be answered: WHEN Apple, when?
>I never wrote they would. Hell, I don't even care if they do, >because I don't use them But what I am missing in Leopard >is - as you wrote - a simple icon preview. Sometimes it's just >faster to browse through your pictures using OS windows than >running View NX / Lightroom or whatever program you're >using...
You're right, of course. I think I was feeling a bit grumpy because it got me thinking (again) about the non-support for my D700 in OS X right now. :-D
>>Apple just released a system update (for camera raw >support) >>that adds the D700 support for finder (and other software) >use >>of the new NEFs. It works. > >For sure? You tried it? Keep us posted, please.
Yes; the Digital Camera Raw update "works" -- I checked before posting.
That means not only that iPhoto and Aperture recognize the D700 NEFs, but that the Finder (and Preview and QuickLook) also recognize them.
In list mode in a Finder window, you won't see recognizable thumbnails, but in other modes (Icon, Column, CoverFlow) you will, and in any Finder mode, QuickLook brings up the JEPG extracted from the NEF File.
NOTE: This is _not_ the update to OS X 10.5.5; it is a subsequent independent update to the Digital Camera support in the system.
Don, I didn't change any settings on my computer. I just ran software update (Mac's software update) and and I only had one position on the list: Camera Support. Some models were listed, couple Nikons, Canons and Olys. Just clicked 'download' and voilla - it works.