For those of us who were looking forward to a new DLSR as maybe D800 or a D4, today's announcement of a new Coolpix range is a disappointment. While the new 7100 is a welcome improvement on the 7000 it does not really satisfy a DSLR NAS!!
I had been counting down the days for this "significant" announcement but I am underwhelmed!
Amen Brian! Cameras give us opportunities. Experiences and analysis -- particularly of our mistakes -- give us the means to produce meanigful and beautiful images. I don't know if any of us have been imited in our ability to capture exciting and memorable images by our Nikon equipment. There are no doubt a family of "D4/D800" cameras somewhere in the wings, but it will be months before very many of us get hold of one. In the meantime, shoot, share and enjoy!
Ah Brian, you are just too good and restrained. Do you not miss the hype, the buildup and the inevitable disappointment? What is life without ups and downs! But we live in hope and one day, hopefully soon, we will have a D800 announcement!
Fri 26-Aug-11 05:52 AM | edited Fri 26-Aug-11 06:17 AM by richardd300
Well said Brian, a good common sense approach. I never thought I'd be swayed towards the "what if's" but succumed to it with the D7000. A few months ago I decided just to enjoy my kit, use it and not pontificate about what may, or may not be around the corner. I'm a much more content photographer for that alone.
I'm disappointed myself. I need a new backup DSLR and I don't want to buy one with so much market uncertainty. I don't think it makes sense to buy an old model with a new one on the way, which might have features which would be very helpful to me. If I wasn't in need of a new DSLR it wouldn't matter particularly. I've waited long after product intros, in the past, to buy before, because the need wasn't there.
I have reason to believe that we will have the expected announcement of new pro bodies, and the new mirrorless camera within the next few weeks, probably soon after the US' Labor Day holiday. Whether the D800 will actually be among those announced, is another matter. I just don't know, and I'm getting the feeling, that those who might really know, don't know for sure.
TIC: I was a bit relieved. I can now continue to take images with my D700 for a few more days until it's outdated.
I did notice the WA100 not only has VR, but still retains BSS. Two features that can expand the operational horizons of a nicely featured camera for on the beach; somewhere I'm not too likely to take my D700 soon.
TIC === tongue in cheek; in Irish sardonically with a smile
Have you seen all of the announcements today on DPReview? It makes sense that Nikon might want to stagger their announcements, especially if they got wind of others' in advance. Plus, if you have some coolpix, lenses and D-SLR bodies to announce, it would make sense to announce them in the order from least significant to most significant/impressive/prestigious. I have no idea if they will announce any D-SLR's soon. But just because they announced Coolpix cameras today does not mean that they won't announce something better soon as well.
Indeed we noticed that 5 months ago. At the same time we note that apparently some Sendai manufacturing has been moved to Malaysia. We further note that in their March 22nd press release, Nikon stated its "severely damaged" Sendai DSLR plant would resume operations by March 31st, just 2 weeks after the disaster, (It did.) and by March 18th they had already reopened their lens plant in the Tochigi prefecture. We also note on the downside that close to normal levels of production were not achieved until June (2 months ago) due to Japan's planned blackouts of electricity and difficult procurement of a few components from Nikon's business partners.
At the same time, respected people in the business, who's ears have been reliable, have been predicting the announcement we hoped would have been this month.
Announcements often precede shipments by some "real" time, so an announcement could still mean no product on store shelves for a while.
Many who know Nikon well are still predicting at least one DSLR announcement within the next couple of weeks.
The A580 was announce Aug 24th last year with the D7000 following on Sept 15th I expect that to be the date for the next Nikon DSLR announcement. Hopefully the AF-S 80-400 will be announced on the same day.
What worries me is that there seem to be plenty of new Nikon DSLR bodies (all of them) available right now. Usually they stop production before an announcement.
Like everyone else I am anxious to see what improvements in the dslr nikon can deliver. But the funny thing is the d700 is the first camera I don't want to part with and really can't imagine what improvements would make me feel compelled to upgrade. I had thought about selling a spare d700 body on ebay as they were selling for more than I paid a couple years ago! But to what end? To wait a few months to spend a couple grand on yet another body?
I have always been an early adopter and quick to upgrade my bodies! First time I am kind of perplexed. Lets see what the d800 brings.
Apropos to people I respect still predicting DSLR announcements coming shortly, comes Thom Hogan's sign-off (He's taking the next few weeks off and won't be posting on his website until mid September.) missive.
Thom said, "here's where I stand in expectations at the moment:
D4 announce unknown, ship around end of year (Dec/Jan/Feb).
D700 replacement announce soon (Sept), ship late in year.
D300s replacement I don't expect until 2012.
Mirrorless I expect to be announced in September, ship soon thereafter."
We'll see, but that sounds about right from what I'm hearing at the moment from a number of sources.
With the Sony 24 MP crop sensor body just announced with likely October delivery we might see a fine detail D400x 24 MP by the year end - and a D400s 16 MP good noise perforer at the same time. Unless Nikon switch sensor makers the FX horizon may be further away.
Photography is a bit like archery. A technically better camera, lens or arrow may not hit the target as often as it could if the photographer or archer does not practice enough.
I've heard there is a new adapter that attaches to the bottom of the D-700 and has an almost identical adapter on the bottom which attaches to another D-700, thereby giving you a D-1400, which, based on past numbering and release date trends should keep you ahead of the game for the next 21 years.
>With the Sony 24 MP crop sensor body just announced with >likely October delivery we might see a fine detail D400x 24 MP >by the year end - and a D400s 16 MP good noise perforer at the >same time. >Unless Nikon switch sensor makers the FX horizon may be >further away.
Now that is another rumour started. Definitely time for a dedicated forum for rumours. One which will have a dozen sub folders to click through and then a password with 99 letters or numbers to input and when you do there will be a monetary charge every time you enter. I have heard from a very good source in the moderators cabal this is definitely happening late this year or early next. Or maybe it was last month?
Remember the product cycle for film bodies? A new body would appear at about 8 year intervals.
The current D3 series and D700 bodies are considerably more capable than the previous generation of bodies. While I look foward to improved capability, the current bodies continue to provide outstanding images.
Why are we so anxious to have our current "state of the art" bodies superseded by something newer (and more expensive) after a relatively short production run (3 years)?
Of course you are correct but the technical advances now are such that a three year cycle is about right to take such an excellent machine as the D700 to another level. As regards film cameras, my F100 is still almost at the top of the pile and while it was surpassed by the F6, it really represented the top of the pile of "amateur" cameras and has not been bettered. But when it comes to digital photography, the evolution is at a much higher speed and the sensor technology, processor speed, storage capacity, on board electronics all progress at an extraordinary pace so much so that three years represents a technology cycle. Don't get me wrong. My D700 is the best piece of kit I ever had and I have no intention of dumping it. It is my constant companion even on occasions when I should really consider something smaller and lighter. So my desire to see a D800 is not because I am dissatisfied with the D700 but that I am excited and thrilled at the thought of an even better camera. The D3 is a state of the art camera but can you argue that the D3S is not a superb enhancement?I would settle for a D700S but as that does not seem to be Nikon's path, and so I am looking towards a D800. Hence my disappointment about the announcements on August 24th.
Just what would you like to see in a D800 that the D700 hasn't delivered? Digital has finally caught up to film thanks to the D700 and D3 series, and maybe it has surpassed it. If you need more, and I did back in the film days, you might just have to buy a Hasselblad. As they say, "money talks." After owning my D700 for about 4 nano-seconds, I sold my film Hasselblad.
Yes, I like the performance of my D3S better than my D700, but if I didn't have the D3S, I would be almost equally as happy with the D700.
Based on the current D700, improvements made to Nikon DSLRs since the introduction of the D700, and the competition primarily from Canon, but also from Sony (yes Sony), don't you think that at least most of my list is likely to be in the D700 replacement? I sure do.
Sorry for stirring the pot. The F100 has the same relationship to the F5 as the D_00 series bodies have to the D_ series bodies. In my eyes, the F100 is a Pro camera.
Prior to the current generation of bodies, the product cycle has been closer to two years than three. I would hope the longer we wait for a replacement, the greater the overall improvement in performance and capability will be. I wonder if the D800 will be a D4 light as the D700 is to the D3 or will it be designed to be a D4X light to compete more directly with the 5D mk II and mk III. I wonder if there will be a D800 and D800X though the likelihood is very remote.
Yes, the D3S is brilliant and improves upon the D3.
In their last generation of bodies the competition has increased the MP count at the cost of high ISO performance. Of course there were other advances added as well. (Sorry for stirring the pot again.) Will the next generation of Nikon Bodies follow suite or will they hit another home run out of the ballpark like the D3 and D700 are. Time will tell. Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!
> >Why are we so anxious to have our current "state of the >art" bodies superseded by something newer (and more >expensive) after a relatively short production run (3 years)? > >We have become spoiled!
Probably because the D700 and D3s are no longer available new - backorder everywhere and no sign of availability in the future.
Not sure that means anything unless the US get new cameras before the UK. Nearly all outlets have stock, those that haven't state stocks within 7 days. No price reductions or offers. Extras with the D300s, but once again that means little. Of no value to me, my D700 will be with me for many years.
So will mine, but I need a new backup, as it has become unreliable. In the US, no one has stock of the D3s or the D700, and for all intents and purposes, haven't had one for months. I've gotten to the point, however, that if a D700 replacement will be out soon, it makes sense to get the replacement, at least to me, then put the D700 as my backup.
Sat 27-Aug-11 06:20 PM | edited Sat 27-Aug-11 06:21 PM by richardd300
I would have trouble finding a camera that Nikon could offer me that would give me higher percentage satisfaction than the D700 and D7000. So I will be staying away from any new launches unless, like you, my cameras start being unreliable. Even then I wouldn't support Nikons profits by buying in under 6 months of any launch as I don't like feeling I've been ripped off.
I fully understand your sentiment, but I can't go halfway around the world in Oct./Nov. for a series of assignments without a reliable backup. At this point I intend to rent, which seems like a waste of money, but ...
Forgetting the cost for a moment, there's nothing more tactile than ones own camera. Believe it or not, even my wife understands that and she's not a photographer, but says that if she was a photographer then the D700 just feels so right. Tough call for you and one I wouldn't like to take.
I have been waiting to see if a D700 replacement would be announced for 6 months. I've taken trips and taken lots of photos still using my D100 while waiting. Finally, the comments I have read here, have convinced me that the huge upgrade to D700 is more than enough to keep me happy for some time. I waited and pounced when one arrived at my local camera store. It IS a great camera. Thanks to all of you for opening my eyes.
Had my backup become unreliable some months back I would have purchased another as my backup, but being close to the new one, even if it's not until the end of the year, I'm holding out to at least see what it's like and how much it will cost.
You may be right. The supply problem could also be caused by much higher demand than Nikon expected and / or Nikon keeping very tight control over supply to keep the street price close to MSRP to maximize profits in tough economic times. The Tsunami didn't help things. Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!
I don't know about the rest of you, but I am constantly disappointed by Nikon, and this is why I'll be disappointed no matter what they do.
I constantly fight with my emotions regarding new gear. Yes, I really want that next great camera that will make wildlife photography just THAT much easier, or landscape photography just THAT much better. At the same time, as soon as they release it, I feel that pang that my current gear just isn't the best tool any more. It may be still a good tool, but is no longer the BEST tool. Yes, I am a gear head. Rapid product cycles drive me crazy, but so does the lack of rapid product cycles. See what a mess I am?
I know full well that on the day of the announcement, my current gear will still produce the great images that it did the day before, but I'll want BETTER! So, until the announcement comes, I'll enjoy the longevity I've gotten from my current gear.
I know that whatever gear I have, I can certainly get better at using it.
So for all of you eagerly awaiting the announcements (and I am too!), I hope it comes tomorrow, sort of...
One of the problems with these type of expectations is that we assume that whatever is released will be better than what we have got. One of the releases might be a disappointment technically. It sometimes happens. Is it not best to wait for a competent reviewer to get their hands on it and pass judgement. Darrell Young or David Busch springs to mind.
<Is it not best to wait for a competent reviewer to get their hands on it...>
Probably, but much depends on the knowlege level of the reader. There are a lot of "techies" both here and out there who may well confuse me by virtue of the technicalities. Initially I don't want that I tend to read the reviews that tell me in simple terms initially what the new model will give "the landscape, the wildlife, the portrait user etc. etc. If they tell me there is a wow factor to be had in some way previously unseen in camera technology, great. If however, it's the same old, same old re-badged model I have already with a few extras, take the D300 to D300s for example, then no. It has to be the kind of leap made from D200 to D300 next time to grab my attention. Great as the D7000 is and I have to be perfectly honest, I never benefitted that much from my D90, whereas my leap from the D200 to D300/700 did.
As stated many times, the leap for me has to be earth shattering next time.
I read specifications of the manufacturer to see what the upgrades to the camera are but I don't trust them to be objective. I look for well regarded reports, even dpreview.com. The worst retort I read is " I have one and I am luvving/love it. " A lot of capable photographers think they are capable of assessing the new features but that isn't any good if they have purchased it and decide that it isn't worth it. Waiting a month or two after the release is best imo.
I agree with Richard that understanding the specifications and what they imply is well within the abilities of many in the Nikonian's community.
Of course, whether or not the the replacement for the D700 will be a disappointment technically, has a great deal to do with each photographer's expectation as to what its minimal specs, and feature set should be.
The question you're really asking is whether or not you can rely on the specifications, and the "pre-release" review, or do you need to have a "hands-on" review.
When I'm spending as much money as the D700 replacement will cost, I'm personally not going to rely on a "pre-release" review alone, which really only analyzes the feature set and the specifications of the camera. That isn't to say the feature set and specs aren't important. They are, and they can "make or break" a purchase, to a point. That point, which is particularly interesting under current "in stock" conditions, being if it's not worth the purchase, can I actually get my hands on the D700 itself to purchase.
On the other hand, I would not purchase a new camera on the "pre-release" review alone. If after reviewing the feature set and specs myself, I still think the camera will be a great buy for me, I then want to know how well it actually works, how well it's built, how well any new design features fit within the way I like to handle a camera, etc. I can only get that via a "hands-on" review by someone I trust and understand how they go about making their review and judgment about cameras, or by reviewing it myself, which I feel competent in doing.
I don't think you have to wait a month or two to understand the value of the feature set and specs, and just how good the camera is in the real world. Nikon will have the camera in the hands of enough select people for review, that on the first day of the camera's availability, we will know how good it is.
There is precedent to wait, however. Take for example the D200. It wasn't until many had the camera that problems with it came to be known and corrected. The correction took a while.
A different question is, we know what a wonderful camera the D700 is, and after several years of its existence, the ins and outs of the camera are well known. There will be some unknowns about the replacement for a while. A question therefore comes to mind, does it make sense to purchase the known quantity, which performs well, now, or wait for the new, which once announced, will still have some unknowns about it.
My experience with Nikon SLRs and upper level DSLRs has been that I should wait for the new camera. The new ones have not disappointed me. On the other hand, I have not purchased a new camera merely because it's come out. I have only purchased a new camera because it had features which could substantially help me compared to my current model, or because my current camera was becoming or was already unreliable (as is my case now with my backup camera). To always have the latest and greatest is not important to me.
In the US right now, however, the choice of buying a D700 or waiting for its replacement, is at this time essentially moot. When it comes to cameras themselves, and "bread and butter" lenses, I want them with a USA warranty since I live in the US, and it's almost impossible to purchase a D700 at this time, or a D3S, in the US.
So, for the moment, like many others, I'm in wait and see mode.
>RRRoger > >Now you're talking a 80-400mm AF-S VRII even if it's still the >f4.5-5.6. Now that would certainly interest me.
Yes, it is beyond past due.
It would almost certainly be better than the current edition and it is very good indeed. Problem of course is that the price will be high, however All my best Nikkor glass has gone up to more used than I paid new. So, I expect it to be a good investment.
My first digital was the D200 which many of you know is not as good as the newer models at higher ISO settings. I am not into video but would love the fx capability with my 24mm f1.4 lens. With the release of the new d800 would I benefit with a d700 upgrade if the prices were to drop as opposed to getting a new 800. I am at a place where money is an issue and I have invested in the F5 and F6 in the past six years, both purchased new.
I appreciate your comments. Maybe I should just invest in a good scanner and start using these beautiful film cameras. I won't sell them and take a loss!
Right now there seems to be a supply shortage of D700 bodies. New and used prices are really high. I assume a D800 announcement would reverse that. There could be one soon if it used a D3s sensor. And lots of D700 owners would upgrade.
Otherwise it could be one year or more while waiting for a new FX sensor.
Thu 08-Sep-11 06:32 AM | edited Thu 08-Sep-11 06:34 AM by richardd300
I have posted on this thread earlier stating that in my view Nikon would have to pull some magical rabbit out of the hat to impress me enough to upgrade from my D700.
Over the past few months for financial reasons I have been turning my attentions to wedding and portrait photography and gaining experience as second camera to a pro. I was delighted that many of my images were used by him. My point here is that the Pro has a D3s and a D300s and he was amazed at both the functionality and results of my D700 as full frame camera. I asked him did he lust after a new version D3s, he said "why would I, this is my living and every penny saved counts". He's not a camera fan per say as perhaps many on the forums here are and uses his cameras as a pro golfer uses his golf clubs, as a means to an end. My attitude has now become the same as his and I've come to a conclusion that the D700 like the D3s is going to be a hard act to follow.
Mary mentioned using her 24mm on an Fx body. I have both the 14-24 and 24-70mm originally working on a D300 and was pleased, but both really came alive on the D700. In fact so much so, that wedding photography group shots became a breeze especially where space behind me was limited.
My passion is to become a really good wildlife photographer, but being a pensioner and seeing all my income reduce because of the blasted recession, I also need to earn money and from that point of view my D700 with my set of pro lenses should and could achieve that. Once again, what can an upgrade give me I wonder when I'm printing out amazing portrait images at 16x12" from both my D700 and D7000. Anyone who can persuade me otherwise is going to have to work really hard.
I think the bottom line is that for me if I'm being honest, the camera is going to become more of a tool and less of a hobby.
Count me as one of the folks impatiently awaiting the D800.
A lot of the folks in this thread are a little dismissive of the D800, simply because they have a D700. I would love to have a D700. BUT...
... I do not wish to pay approximately $2700 for a body that may take a nosedive in price in the very near future. That is, if I could even find one in stock. I'd gladly fork over $2700-3k for a D800, or would be very happy with a D700. But not for the current price.
I am still using and limping along with a D200. The thought of going full frame makes my mouth water. Some of us that really want the D800 are not merely suffering from NAS.
You definitely have a dilemma if you want an FX camera in the near future. The problem is that even if they announced the D800 tomorrow, you probably couldn't get your paws on one for about 4 months, at best, and then at what price. I haven't checked lately, but the Nikon store has refurbs from time to time for about $2,150 plus tax and shipping. You really have to check that site pretty often to snag one of them. Your other option would be to buy a gently used D700 here. I sold my flawless, mint, 5,000 actuation, LNIB D700 for $2,300, but some folks are asking less. I do agree that to buy a new D700 for $2,700 or more would probably be a financial mistake. On the other hand, I bought a D3S for top buck because I, personally don't think that we will see any of the new Nikon full frame cameras hit these shores for at least another six to eight months, but what do I know. And, I never intend to trade or "upgrade" my D3S anyway since it is more camera than I have ever, even in my wildest dreams, thought that I would own. The D700 was only slightly behind it.
Even if they announce a D700 replacement it won't be available for a while, and with the recent reductions in camera production output, there could really be a delay in getting them to the shops so I'm not getting too excited.
As long as Nikon can sell all the D3s they can make, why would they release a D800 with D3s sensor? And if it is going to have a different Sensor, where are they going to get it? Of course, if the D3s were replaced with a D4, then they could use that sensor and I hope they do. But, what sensor are they going to put in the D4?
I think with threads like this you will tend to get the split between those who already own the D700 and who, for whatever reason, see no need to upgrade and those in the market to get such a camera.
I own a D90 at the moment and am more than happy with it. That said, just prior to the D7000 coming out, if someone asked "should I wait" I would be inclined to say yes, rather than "I can't see what a D7000 would do that would cause me to upgrade". It's a different question. Do I plan to upgrade from the D90 to the D7000, no, not enough features that I NEED to justify the cost. Would I be happy to exchange the D90 for a D7000, yes, better low-light capability mainly.
The D700 appeals to me solely because of its low light capabilities and while it would be better than the D90 by some margin I can't help thinking that surely the D800 would have to be better than the 700. If the main reason I'm getting it might be handled better with the update I'd rather wait and see. If it's the same, I can always then go for the (hopefully reduced D700), of which there are still a few about here in Malaysia.
AHHH. Just the thought of spending hours erasing all those pictures taken with my D700 and start all over again taking and saving all the pictures that I will be taking with the new D800 makes me sick!
I already have an appointment with my psychiatrist next week to help me cope with this situation.
Sun 20-Nov-11 11:26 AM | edited Sun 20-Nov-11 04:40 PM by ajdooley
Since late August, I have taken about 5-6,000 images with my D700 cameras and lenses. I'd have more, but I lost 45 days to a painful sciatic nerve problem. Many have brought in income and a few are excellent images that will sell again and again. I have also accumulated my normal number of bad images and tried to learn from these mistakes.
In the meantime, all the "twitter" and speculation, with people waiting for "the next" camera has continued ad nauseum. In the same meantime, I simply don't care when Nikon will announce and as importantly deliver, either the D4 or D800. Nikon has already produced a family of cameras with capabilities superior to any Nikon heretofore.
Unless you are an NPS member or rich enough to pay a hefty premium, few of us are going to obtain and begin using either of the new Nikon pro-level DSLRs for many, many months -- probably a year or more. In the meantime, we would be better served by greeting each and every day as an opportunity to take photos that will please and thrill us.
Sometimes I miss the old days, when people had a Nikon F for a decade or more and didn't quibble about megapixels or other technobabble. Instead, they occasionally bought film and occasionally a lens and continued to shoot pictures! And frankly, for all of the advances in equipment and increased costs, I don't often see any better work today. It's just easier, and we should all celebrate that! In the end, cameras don't take our pictures -- we do. Like I said in August -- shoot and enjoy NOW!
Yep, all this philosophising is all well and good unless you are currently in the market for an FX body and the release of new models is (hopefully) imminent. If I HAD an Fx / D700 now I doubt I'd be even thinking about the new release either.
I've got a D700 now, but it's going to need a shutter replacement soon. I'm definitely in the market for an upgrade to become my primary DSLR, putting my current primary D700 as my backup, as long as the new unit has the specs I use. The extra MP reported the D800 will have is nice, but the high ISO/low noise characteristic is far more important to me.
There are other specs I'm looking for, but frankly, they are of secondary importance.
Most of you are aware of Nikon Rumors by now. The released photos and specs for the D800 are probably true.
Not sure what I would do with 36 Megapixels except take pictures of the Grand Canyon or very large group shots. I've had a 5D2 and favor the 16 mp D5100 for trips, hikes, and even for Video. I expect the D800 Video to be a lot better than either.
I do prefer FullFrame and am thinking about the 12mp DX mode being very useful just for Events. Even with my D3, I had my shooting rate set for 4fps.
And, to my delight, it is supposed to be smaller and lighter than a D700. At 67, I can no longer hold a D3 for 8 hours. The D4 would have to be Carbon Fibre to interest me into buying it.
My sole interest is the low-light performance. All the other bells and whistles are neither here nor there.
I'm just trying to figure if the low-light on the D800 is going to be THAT much better than the D700 (in which case the wait and inevitable considerable price premium MIGHT be worth it) or whether it's going to be just a stop or so in which case I'd PROBABLY rather take the plunge with a D700. The only other consideration is the overall design and technology improvement that the D800 will likely have to improve on quality and user friendliness. Like I say, if I had a D700 now I wouldn't even be considering it.
Given that I want but maybe don't NEED the FX immediately I suppose the best bet is to wait until it gets announced and see precisely what the specs are. Then decide. It may also have the benefit of pushing the D700 price down as dealers look to clear stock (not that many places have them right now).
Well, I think like Brian too. I have a D-700 & D-300s and do good to keep up with them 2 cameras. I know I haven't found every button on it to use now, so a new d-800 would be another one that I would have to learn all over again. I have enough to keep me busy for awhile and I'm loving what I have so far. AMEN LOL
Quote Roger>>I do prefer FullFrame and am thinking about the 12mp DX >mode >>being very useful just for Events.<<Quote > >If an FX camera is 36MP, simple arithmetic tells us that its >DX crop mode would be about 15MP, not 12MP. >
Getting 15 from 36 is not simple for me, 12 or 18 makes more sense. Anyway 15mp would work really well and I doubt any of my customers would complain as I am giving them a 16mp D7000 image now, and being able to write this off as a business expense might make it affordable.
I just need to see the Video performance specs and find out the weight or the D800 before ordering.
If the projected/rumored market price of 300,000 yen is true, that puts the D800 at about $3900.00US. One might even speculate that any dealer discounts would bring the price a bit lower, though it's too soon to tell by how much....
If that's the price you recon, then the UK Pound price would be something like £2600 and after discounts and probably 9-12 months I guess would arrive at around £2000. I'm using the D7000 12 months price drop of 26% as a measure. Currently, the US price for a D700 ($2699) is about the same as the UK (£1799). If all that should pan out it would make the D800 about $350 (£200) more than the current D700 after about 12 months.
I'm hoping I've got at least 2-3 years life left in my D700, so I'll be waiting then for the D900! No, I won't start a thread on that speculation yet though
"Sometimes I miss the old days, when people had a Nikon F for a decade or more and didn't quibble about megapixels or other technobabble. Instead, they occasionally bought film and occasionally a lens and continued to shoot pictures! And frankly, for all of the advances in equipment and increased costs, I don't often see any better work today. It's just easier, and we should all celebrate that! In the end, cameras don't take our pictures -- we do. Like I said in August -- shoot and enjoy NOW!"
Alan all I can say is Amen. I had my F3HP for more than a decade and wish I had never sold it. Yes I love my D700 and there is no doubt I do not desire to have a wet darkroom again,but the focus then and now is taking pictures. I only bought the D700 because it would give me images in situations my D200 could not. But the only thing I find laicking with my D700 is the photographer.
Sun 27-Nov-11 07:50 AM | edited Sun 27-Nov-11 07:53 AM by richardd300
Now there's a lot of sense being spoken. I have in the past been caught in the "latest must have" trap and have finally come around to the "be thankful for what I've got" philosophy. I had an Olympus OM 4ti, 3 lenses and a darkroom for 15 years. I now believe that photography has to many become almost a consumable short life gadget.
Now that I'm a pensioner and like so many others getting slowly less able to afford to feed my photographic apetite, I am settling down to just enjoy what I have and counting myself lucky to have it. I think that the consumer bubble is slowly bursting and the days of endless updates to the latest must have's is waning. I am concentrating on being a better photographer, no new cameras will make me that, just hard work. One indicator of the bursting bubble is perhaps that Canon for the second year are not attending the UK's biggest Photography show, "Focus on Imaging".
Yep you are right "Retirement is a gift of time - Don't waste it"!
Adrian, with all due respect and understanding of your position, I have to disagree with you on this "philosophising" thing. Whatever your reason may be, if you want to wait for the D800 -- it is totally your prerogative, and no one can tell you differently. But it's not a philosophic question that applies only to FX owners who consider the question of upgrade.
I am, or I should say "I was" in the same spot as you are: going to FX from DX. This thread as well as similar ones on this topic was quite informative and helpful in my decision to buy a D700 instead of waiting:
I was not going to drop about $3,700 on the D800 when available (and when will that be?)
I was not going to wait until the elusive D800 had a significant impact on reducing the price of the D700.
If the specs of the D800 are like they are rumored to be, I believe that this chase after mega-megapixles number is not only going to start straining the existing lenses -- it will more importantly strain my photographing skills (which are not top-notch anyway...). Case in point -- the D7000: a technically fantastic camera that many users find it more difficult to get used to. I seriously doubt that the D800 will come close to the reputation of the D700 regarding how easy it is to shoot.
BUT - and that was the MOST important consideration for me: the D700 is so highly praised, such a fantastic piece of photographic equipment that excels in so many aspects -- including the high-ISO photography -- that I KNOW what I'm getting, as opposed to ASSUME what I'll be getting with the D800. I totally agree with the previous posts about the compulsion to "get the new model." More than that: forget for a minute this race between Nikon, Canon, etc. that drive each other to come up with new models; forget about the rumors and expectations that "there should be a Nikon announcement soon"; put all these aside and imagine for a moment that in the next 5 years no new cameras will come out: how bad is it really going to be? Really? We are driven to become too busy with tech specs, programs and menus, that we don't have enough time to actually take pictures. I know I don't. The current state of technology, the wide spectrum of available bodies is such that anyone can find the tool they need in what's currently available.
So I decided that the D700 is a good FX body for me, Not "good enough", but good. It was not a philosophical thing, it was simply a logical decision.
<Case in point -- the D7000: a technically fantastic camera that many users find it more difficult to get used to.>
Oh, yes, how true. I was humbled by the effort to master it, whilst others seemed to find it a breeze to use. At least that what they told the forum! I found my journey torturous an experience I never had with any other Nikon. Those who didn't use the camera with longer lenses I think may have had an easier journey, especially focus wise.
<I seriously doubt that the D800 will come close to the reputation of the D700 regarding how easy it is to shoot.>
Simply, the D700 is one heck of an act to follow.
The D700 may arrive tomorrow, or even next week, or next month. No hurry for me, as I still fail to see what it can offer me over my D700 and D7000 combinations.
Since the thread started in August the Thailand floods mean Nikon is loosing perhaps 90% of DSLR body production, and perhaps 80% of DSLR lens production for maybe 3 months. But for this some new products of greater interest to many Nikonians should have been announced by now - perhaps bringing this thread to an end. >The current state of technology, the wide spectrum of available bodies is such that anyone can find the tool they >need in what's currently available. To some extent there is likely to be diminishing returns from new products as technology matures. 12 MP can comfortably deliver a very good 20 inch wide print. For those not wanting bigger prints or to crop extensively some might not upgrade. Noise is already extremely good to 1600 ISO - many rarely use higher ISO's and might not upgrade. Improved AF is unlikely to greatly interest those who mainly shoot landscapes. What might be available in the future will be better for some, but for others what is already here is more than good enough
Photography is a bit like archery. A technically better camera, lens or arrow may not hit the target as often as it could if the photographer or archer does not practice enough.
The comments about philosophising are more directed at the comments of the "oh for the good old days when all we had was an xyz and no one wanted any more". Those comments I find less than useful, people can post what they like of course but sometimes it adds little value. It's a little bit like lens selection considerations when people CONSTANTLY bring up crop factor in instances where the thread makes it clear that crop factor is largely irrelevant.
I'm quite happy to get the D700 but the pricing for the D800 is all mere speculation. I think I have decided that the D800 can't be that far away now. When it comes out I will see what the price is and what the specs are. I can then decide whether to get that or the D700 which will still be around, for a while at least.
Overall I'd be quite happy that the D700 will do the job, it's just that time will have moved on with regard to the spec of many of the components in the camera and to a degree I'd rather buy current than dated IF the price is right. If not, I'll go with the older tech as I'm sure it will do the job just find and if I had a D700 now, no way would I consider upgrading.
<<"oh for the good old days when all we had was an xyz and no one wanted any more". Those comments I find less than useful,....>>
A fair point perhaps, but then....
<<Overall I'd be quite happy that the D700 will do the job, it's just that time ...If not, I'll go with the older tech as I'm sure it will do the job just find and if I had a D700 now, no way would I consider upgrading.>>
I think that's what most here are saying so perhaps all comments, including yours, ARE useful after all!!
Most maybe, some however seem to be inferring that even considering upgrade is something people shouldn't be worrying about and just get on with what you have. It's that kind of post that to me seems plain - well, dumb. Anyway, whatever, busy enough as it is without a debate over this.
WOW!! After 185 posts on this topic, I am very pleased and I feel vindicated for having started it. I am quite happy to allow it to end so long as you let me post when the D800 is a reality, not just an aspiration!
I found myself being somewhat titillated by the announcement, a little bit like waiting for Christmas. I've started saving up for it, but. . . I'm going to wait for it to be tested and reviewed. Then I'll decide whether I'm going to buy it or buy that really fabulous lens that I'd never dreamt of buying. I'd ask for lens recommendations, but that's for another forum.