I have the D70. After this week, I expect to use my D700 almost exclusively. But I have no intention of selling my D70 for some modest amount. It still outperforms any point and shoot on the market.
I plan to keep the 18-135 lens mounted on my D70 (almost permanently) and use it more like the family point and shoot. I'll let my wife use it - she has been otherwise forbidden from touching my camera equipment . I think I'll hang it over my shoulder for longer, more rugged, unprotected walking around use (like on the beach) than I did before. I used to baby it more and always keep it gently cradled in a camera case.
This may certainly be the case until Nikon comes out with the FX equivilent of the 18-200 VR lens for travel, etc.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe once I get a D700, with it's huge view finder, huge LCD and better image quality, I will never want to pick up my D70 again. But I hope that the D70 continues to serve some duty in my family for some time to come, even if it takes its place in the back seat. I would hate to see my loyal little D70 become a forgotten soldier.
I can tell you that my old D70, once my pride and joy, suddenly looks very old and decrepit even next to a D200. So I fear yor D70 may never be touched again.
I doubt an 18-200mm lens for FX will appear, firstly because it will be enormously large and heavy, and perhaps more importantly because those who shoot FX take quality seriously don't want the compromises inherent in a 'one-size-fits-all' lens.
>I doubt an 18-200mm lens for FX will appear, firstly because >it will be enormously large and heavy, and perhaps more >importantly because those who shoot FX take quality seriously >don't want the compromises inherent in a 'one-size-fits-all' >lens. > >John >www.blokewithacamera.co.uk
Just to clarify, by FX equivilent of the 18-200 VR, I meant a high-quality 28-200 or 28-300 with VR, metal lens mount and respectable image quality. Even an FX equivilent to the 16-85 VR (i.e. a very good, newly-designed 24-120 VR) would be great.
Right now, the only downside to my move to the D700 is the current lack of a good-performing, compact, all-in-one full frame lens, preferably with VR. Nikon offers the 24-85 2.8-4.0, which is a decent performer, but it lacks AF-S, it lacks ED elements, it lacks VR, it is larger because it is not a G lens, and zoom range is not as versatile as the excellent super-zooms that Nikon has produced for the DX format. I understand that the 24-120 has marginal image quality. And that is about all that Nikon offers in the normal zoom or super-zoom area, other than the 24-70, which is heavy and has a relatively limited focal range.
The features you point out about the 24-85mm f/2.8-4.0 lens certainly highlights it against the 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G AFS lens that is now discontinued. Why it's discontinued has always puzzled me, maybe it was caught in the rush to DX, but I found the AFS version to be very fast focusing, great color contrast and a perfect street focal length range. I used both lenses for a while; a buddy had the AFD version and I had the AFS. We both concluded that the AFD version was more rugged but that the AFS version gave images that we preferred (on film).
I think FF/FX is now due for a "prosumer" mid-range zoom with all the "updates" from the prior 24-85 offerings.
For really arduous trips where I had to distribute weight and especially minimize what was on my person at any single time, I often took the 24mm f/2.8 AFD, 35mm f/2 AFD, 50mm f/1.4 AFD and a 105mm f/2.5 AIS or 135mm f/2.8 AIS. I could mix and match from the kit bag to the carry bag. I still have most of those, so maybe it's time for a D700.
On the other hand, I think the 24-70mm is a perfect zoom range . My FF SLR kit was a 24mm f/2.8 AFD, 35-70mm f/2.8 AF plus 85mm f/1.8 for portraits/street. The rest was covered by a 70-200mm f/2.8G AFS VR.
Roger It is still ISO, aperture and shutter speed, right?
I had the AF-S 24-85 and I sold it here on Nikonians to get a DX lens, and I have regretted selling it every day since. It was a great lense. I don't know why they discontinued it over the other 24-85 either. It was cheap, small, sharp, quick and silent focusing.
I would pick up a used 24-85 AF-S now, But I think that I might end up regretting that within a year from now when I expect that Nikon will produce something more modern, with VR and with a longer range. So I plan to hold off and use my 24-70 2.8 and carry my 85mm 1.8 or 70-300 AF D (small and light) with it.
I'm keeping my D70. Three years ago, I sold my D70 because I had bought a D2x. I thought the D2x could outperform my old D70 in every way until I went into flash photography. I've bought another D70 a couple months ago because of the D70's higher flash sync speed. 1/500 instead of 1/250 on the D2x. So in those rare moments when I do need the higher sync speed, the D70 gets the job done where my D2 cannot.
We have a D70s and a D200. I don't get to use the D70s much as it is my wife's camera and she keeps my 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G AFS lens for my film camera mounted most of the time. It makes a great candid portrait combination (e.g. grandkids).
There are occasions when we want to downsize for a evening out or very long walkabout - then she takes my SD700IS and I get the D70s with usually a 24mm f/2.8 AFD or 35mm f/2 AFD lens. It takes great images and it's compact size is a welcome change for some occasions. I find it very usable and I usually get over "cursing" it's "backwards" controls in a very short time.
When you make it about getting the picture, many/any of these "old" cameras work pretty darn good.
Roger It is still ISO, aperture and shutter speed, right?
I plan on keeping my D70 as my go anywhere camera. I'm also going to keep one of my D200s for use with my longer lenses for wildlife. My other D200 with battery grip will go up for sale, to help cover the cost of the D700. I may sell a couple of my DX lenses as well.
I kept my D70 when I upgraded to a D2X (and since then to a D3). I've been using it as my travel camera on bicycle trips. When not traveling it lives at my office with an SB-600 for those "did you bring your camera today" moments.
Well, I too gave my D70 to my daughter, who is just starting out in photography. I gave her the D70 "kit" lens as well (18-70DX). Of course, she will eventually start using my other lenses as well but the 18-70 is a good start.
My D2X is about to be sold. I haven't used it at all since getting 2 D300's when they came out last fall. I have shot essentially exclusively with the D300s (both with MB-D10's) since I got them.
I was planning to keep my D200 as a backup body, since my wife and I often shoot together, so both D300's are in use and we need to have a backup body in case one D300 fails. However, with the D700 coming in, I may sell the D200 as well.
My D70 seems to make better photographs then both my D200 & D300 ... maybe because its allways with me. I won't be selling it any time soon but i'll sell the 12 to 24 for a 28 to 70 and get a 14 to 24 for FX.
In years to come many of use could have our own little musuems of old Nikon DSLR's !
I still have my Coolpix 5000 & a D70, not worth selling but the D70 is still a great camera.
As for my D300, this is my camera for the next 4 years at least. I am still getting to grips with it & it has all the features I could possibly need in the forseeable future and has many I will never use.
Plus I want to replace my 18 to 200 Nikon VR lense with something sharper.
As for the Dx versus Fx debate, this I believe only effects those who grew up using 35mm film camera's and are familiar with the format. I never got on using film & to me the Dx format is the norm so until I am convinced that there are benefits to my photography using FX then I will stay in the Dx camp.
Here's my procedure when a new camera is released:
1. My wife "gets" it for a Christmas gift. In my case, it is too complex for her to use, so she lets me use it to take the family pictures; but I don't have to worry about jewelry! --this has worked for the past two Christmases with the D200 and D300; and guess what she will be given THIS Christmas!
2. It's important to keep a backup camera. My D70 was joined by the D200 and all was well. When the D300 arrived, my daughter received the D70 and accessories for a Christmas gift (the gift that keeps on giving!). --When the D700 arrives, I will have fully populated the food chain--my daughter will give my son the D70 for Christmas, she will get the D200 (she bought her own 18-200 lens) for Christmas, and my "wife" will now have a D700 for Christmas, with a D300 for backup!
3. Since I have run out of kids, when the D800 arrives, my son or daughter will have a backup camera. The backup food chain will be fully populated with the arrival of the D900!
So, that's what I plan to do with my "old" camera!