Epson 2200 - READY TO THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW!!
I own both the EPSON 2200 AND THE ePSON 1280. Both are excellent printers in terms of the resolution. However, when it comes to the EPSON 2200, I am FED UP with the green cast that my pictures have when viewed in daylight. When I print my pictures and view them inside using regular light bulbs, the colors are great. However, when I view my pictures in daylight, they have a substantial green cast on them. Now, you can image the problem that this poses when you are displaying pictures for sale in an art festival held out in the open. No one is going to want to buy a picture with a green cast on them. I have never experienced this problem with the EPSON 1280. I love the 1280! The colors are better than the 2200 and when a picture from the 2200 is viewed at an angle. there is bronzing which is very anoying! Now, I understand that the 2200 produces archival prints that will last for many many years, but honestly I cannot be concerned with how a picture is going to look 50 years from now when I cannot sell the picture today because of the green cast on it.
If anyone knows how to fix the green cast problem on the epson 2200, PLEASE, PLEASE ADVISE - before I throw the printer out my window!
#1. "RE: Epson 2200 - READY TO THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW!!" | In response to Reply # 0Willy Registered since 02nd Mar 2007Mon 03-Mar-03 08:34 AM
Hello ive had the same proplem with my 2000P and i found the solution as adding a +3 Magenta in the custom settings in the printer settings also with the viewing at a angle you coiuld try different paper other than what you are useing !
i also find my printer lacking in the colour vibrantsy and im very fed up with mine but you might come to realize like me although its hard to admit all inkjets are still ink jets and for the little extra cost per print i now get my files printed at the local Fuji DIgital lab who have a new Frontier lab thingo that has really great archival real photographic paper that not only looks like a photo but actually is a real photo on photographic light sensitive paper and the colour is great the blacks are black and the cost of a 8X12 " is roughly only $3 more than a epson print after you factor in ink and paper costs and better yet my local place is colour cast free and the same gamma as mine (monitor that is) so i get what i see on the screen and the colour is great and the paper is way better than epson Semi-gloss and print a file on ink jet on best res and then compare that from a fuji and you will soon relize that even 2880DPI is not nearly as good as real 400PPI !!! i didn't want to belive but then i looked and ive seen the light ....
Oh and don't through your printer out of the window thats what e-bays for lol....
i hate that i wasted $1600 on my epson but the fuji printer that the photo place i go to is worth about $500,000 (AUD) so hence thats why they are much much better (providing the file you give them is perfect to start with you should find as i did ink jet is good for amutures with too much time but in the real world there not worth the paper that goes in them ..
hope ive not spoiled your day but anyway the 2200p might be better than my 2000P hope for you it is. also so hope the cast goes i found mine is caused by the black ink being more green than black and magenta is the oppisite of green so therefore it should help and don't add too much or your green cast will go but you will get a magenta one inside thats why i only use +3 not that i use my printer anymore though but thats what gets rid of that ugly green i know how you feel i was really at mine
hope that helped.
#2. "RE: Epson 2200 - READY TO THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW!!" | In response to Reply # 1AlanC Basic MemberMon 03-Mar-03 10:21 AM
As Kermit said: "It's a tough life, being green".
The 2000P is substantially worse than the 2200 in this respect, and also has a somewhat narrower gamut making it that much more difficult to get a really vibrant looking print.
The problem doesn't occur on the Archival Matte paper, nor do you see the difference in the surface gloss in white areas that haven't received any ink. I appreciate that this paper isn't a good choice if you want the normal glossy look to your photos, but it does look very good when mounted behind glass.
#3. "RE: Epson 2200 - READY TO THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW!!" | In response to Reply # 0
Ed, I use the Epson 890, which is a letter size version of the 1280. I've experimented with a number of papers. As far as quality goes, I will make this statement. Prints from slides are better than Ilfochrome. I personally get great results. You never mentioned the paper you're using. It could be the printer, but it could also be the paper. Have you experimented with different papers? You have two different types of ink, using a paper that works well in one, may not work so well in the other. Have you tried Epson Premium Glossy. According to Wilhelm, this paper has an archival life of about 10 years with dye based inks, and 80 years with pigmented ink, and is a recommended paper for the 2200. Also, if you know a very good b&w darkroom printer, then you know that these people spend countless hours testing paper, chemicals, film, etc. Why would you think that a digital darkroom would be any different? There are now any number of photographers selling prints done with Epson Professional Inkjet Printers that cost from @ $2500 - over $10000 (the printers, that is), and basically use the same inks and papers that you do.
#4. "RE: Epson 2200 - READY TO THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW!!" | In response to Reply # 0
I'm only going to suggest you go take a look at:
Uwe Steinmueller runs this site and also offers a profiling service (I've used it and he makes great profiles). What I've noticed is that recently he started adding D65 type profiles. You'll see up at the top that he shows the color cast of indoor/outdoor vs. D50/D65 - sounds exactly like what you are running into.
Looks like the best option is to create 2 profiles - one for indoor viewing, one for outdoor viewing. You could then create different prints for display from what you sell your customers (or give them a choice depending on where they want to display it).
You might want to also e-mail Uwe if you want more info on what is going on with this (or more than what he explains on the page above).
Hope that helps,
#6. "RE: Epson 2200 - READY TO THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW!!" | In response to Reply # 0
I don't have an Epson printer, but prints I make on my Lexmark look more green under sunlight than under artificial light. I believe that the higher UV content of sunlight might have something to do with it--just like fluorescent paint has more saturation outside than it does indoors.
The bottom line is that inkjet technology (at least at the consumer end) is still not as good as conventional photo processing.
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#7. "RE: Epson 2200 - READY TO THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW!!" | In response to Reply # 0
FWIW, I use my 2200 much more now than the 1280 and have never experienced the problems you say you are getting. Is your monitor profiled correctly? Do you have the correct profiles for the paper you are using?
Are you using photoshop or some other program to color manage?
There are a multitude of reasons you may be gettting this cast.
My setup uses PS exclusively for color management due to it's handling of ICC profiles and many other apps do not. I choose the paper and print space in the printer drive and then choose no color correction under the advanced menu in the printer driver.
The prints I get this way match the monitor 99% of the time exactly.
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#8. "RE: Epson 2200 - READY TO THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW!!" | In response to Reply # 7Bongo Registered since 02nd Apr 2002Thu 06-Mar-03 09:08 PM
After reading your message I am more confused then ever because I thought I was using the color management flow correctly.
What I do is the following:
Calibrated my monitor with PhotoCal and the spyder. FOllowed the instructions.
Then, open PS7 bring in the picture and assign Adobe RGB 1998 as the profile. Do my work on the pictures.
When I am ready to print, I use the print with preview using SOurce Space- Adobe RGB 1998 and print space - whatever my profile for the specific paper I am using. Then, in the printer driver in advance I use "no color management". This is basically my work flow. I still get the green cast when viewing my pictures outside (inside they look GREAT!).
Am I doing anything different than you are? Could you be so kind as to e-mail in detail your workflow!
Thank you very much for taking your time to respond. (I saw your website, EXCELLENT WORK!)
My website is Canaldigitalphotography.com
Thanx for the info!
#9. "RE: Epson 2200 - READY TO THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW!!" | In response to Reply # 8AlanC Basic MemberSat 08-Mar-03 06:49 PM
Since you say your shots have a greenish cast in daylight, the problem may be down to "metamerism" rather than a fault with your workflow. This problem first appeared on the Epson 2000P and seems to be down to the fact that Epson use a polymer to coat the pigment particles in the inks; the polymer can affect colour in different lights giving a greenish tinge to an image. The effect is most often visible on glossy papers since the ink remains on the surface.
The problem has been greatly reduced in the 2200 but it seems it can still show up; you might like to take a look at Uwe Steinmueller\'s comments on the subject.