I just ordered a Canon FS-2710 scanner from BH. I had already planned to buy it, and as luck would have it, it was on special for $299. So hopefully i will finally be able to enter the photo contest and post images. I plan on buying an Epson 820 photo printer. I want to be able to make 8x10 prints from my slides, and was wondering what type of paper to buy to print photographs on. I prefer matte, but does glossy last longer? Thanks for any help you can give me.
#2. "RE: What Paper?" | In response to Reply # 0BJNicholls Charter MemberMon 25-Mar-02 06:32 AM
No, matte paper is much more stable than glossy with your printer. The glossy paper allows more air contact with the unstable dye based inks that Epson's 6-color photo printers use. Epson Heavyweight Matte paper is the most stable you can use since the the dyes penetrate the paper and are protected from air exposure.
If you want your Epson prints to last, you need to display them under glass or store them in protective plastic. The cyan inks fade with oxygen exposure. Follow Epson's directions for display and check out these sites for more information on paper and ink stability:
Don't second guess your decision to go with Epson. The other manufacturers use very similar ink chemistry so there's no refuge except waiting for the new pigment based printers that are new in Japan to come our way in a year or so. Meanwhile, use matte paper when you can and store/display your prints protected from the air.
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#4. "If you prefer matte..." | In response to Reply # 0RRowlett Charter MemberMon 25-Mar-02 03:26 PM
...then Epson Heavyweight Matte paper is a real bargain, at about 25 cents a sheet in letter size. I print almost exclusively on this paper and find that it is quite stable, even exposed to air in my atmospheric conditions, for as much as a year.
The "orange fade" of dye-based inks is caused by contact with oxidizers in the atmosphere, including but not limited to ozone. The degree to which you see this phenomenon will depend on the degree of "pollution" in your immediate environment. Out here in the boonies where we have fresh air (and the indoor air is apparently pretty good, too) I haven't noticed this fading even on the premium glossy paper. However, no matter where you live, storing prints in plastic sleeves or framed under glass is normally sufficient to ensure good color stability. If you like a "traditional" photo look, consider using Epson's new Color Life paper, which has a pebbly satin finish, and is as color stable as heavyweight matte. (This miedium is rather expensive, though.)
#7. "RE: If you prefer matte..." | In response to Reply # 4BJNicholls Charter MemberTue 26-Mar-02 12:54 AM
Many of us have decided that "ozone" was an Epson cover story that made them sound less stupid for not doing air exposure tests in the first place. It appears that the amount of air circulation on an image and the relative humidity have more to do with the fading than the amount of ozone. Whatever the real story is, the oldest print with these 6 color inks is only a couple of years old. Glazing or using protective storage strikes me as a wise way to deal with a variable that none of us can measure.
The other drawback to Colorlife paper is that it is very water soluble. The surface is the most vulnerable of any inkjet paper for the Epson.
#5. "RE: What Paper?" | In response to Reply # 0
Another vote in favour of the Epson matte paper. The only thing I'd add to the comments from BJNicholls and RRowlett is that it's a particularly bright white paper and the results look excellent when framed behind glass.
#6. "RE: What Paper?" | In response to Reply # 5Mon 25-Mar-02 08:23 PM
Thanks for all the help guys, i found epson's web site for confusing than usefull. I hope to get both the scanner and printer this week, but my e-mail is down so i dont know if my order shipped, thanks again
#8. "RE: What Paper?" | In response to Reply # 6N80 Charter MemberWed 27-Mar-02 01:01 AM
I like Somerset Photo Enhanced which is a 100% cotton, archival matte finish paper that is coated on one side for minimizing dot gain. I prefer it to Epson Heavyweight Matte (apples and oranges really) but generally can't afford it at $32 for 25 sheets. Only for special occasions. I use both of these for most of my B&W printing with MIS Quadtone inks. For color I am partial to glossy paper and use Epson Premium Glossy. I must say, however, when the Epson and Somerset mattes are under glass you get that glossy look, so do put them under glass for a full evaluation of how they look.
Check out MIS at:
They feature many papers with good descriptions and recommendations. They also sell several sample packs that I've found useful.
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#10. "RE: What Paper?" | In response to Reply # 0
i have been using epson matte, epson semi-glossy and epson premium glossy. the matte finish seems to degrade the sharpness of the print a notch. i suspect that it is because of the matte pattern of the paper. could anybody comment on this.
i have the 820. it gives good prints (up to 8.5 x 11 borderless). almost the same as the print that it was enlarged from. sometimes even better, after applying photoshop on the scanned image. i suppose that is the most one can ask for. i am hoping to get better prints by printing from the scanned negatives instead. so i'm also in the hunt for a film scanner. please update us on your experiences and impressions on the 2710.
btw, i have been printing since december and so far no orange fading. and i live in la! i have taken the advice given here. so i frame immediately and keep unframed ones in plastic envelopes.
#11. "RE: What Paper?" | In response to Reply # 10N80 Charter MemberWed 03-Apr-02 12:22 AM
I think the heavyweight mat is either uncoated or has less of a coating than the glossy papers so you do get some dot gain. This basically means that the ink spreads out a little as the paper absorbs it. I too have noticed a softening on the heavyweight matte. It seems to many in the fine art world that this effect is desirable.
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#12. "RE: What Paper?" | In response to Reply # 11Wed 16-Jan-08 01:13 PM
Well I got everything, the scanner and the printer, and since I couldnt decide, a pack of heavyweight matte and photolife photopaper. Also when I got home I realized that the printer came with a smaple so I also have some premium glossy paper. I have printed on all surfaces, so much so that the ink low light is flashing as I speak. Oh well, ink isnt that much, and ive got over the thrill so my printing will be more conservative. My findings, are that premium glossy, and photolife paper are very similar and very good. I thought the matte paper was bit soft, it also could only print at 1440 dpi not 2880. Based on feel, sharpness, and look, I like the photolife the best. It cost more but I figured including ink it comes to around 2 dollars for an 8x10. Thats a lot cheaper than a print from a slide at the lab I go to. Somebody wanted to see some of scans so here are a few.
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