Epson 2200 Photo Printer - Anyone excited about debut?
There is not alot out on the upcoming Epson 2200 but it is within my price range...anyone excited about this new printer and know more than the Epson site has posted?
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#1. "RE: Epson 2200 Photo Printer - Anyone excited about deb" | In response to Reply # 0Sun 23-Jun-02 12:21 AM
I'm probably going to buy one of the big brother printers, the 7600 or the 9600. I went to a ink-and-pony show here in Salt Lak Wednesday to see output from these printers. The presentation was sponsored by a local business that sells Epson supplies online www.inkjetart.com. I was hoping a 2200 would be there, but no luck. The Epson reps were there, but I didn't find them very helpful.
Anyway, the image quality from the larger printers with the Ultrachrome inkset was very impressive. I looked at prints on several surfaces including canvas, art paper, gloss and matte. The color was rich, but without quite the punch of the 6-color dye inks.
I saw only one significant drawback: on satin surfaces the area that has ink coverage is glossy. I have a luster paper sample that really shows this effect. It looks like something called a spot varnish in offset printing, where a selected area is covered with a matte or gloss varnish for an interesting visual effect. The look can be nice, but it's not what you want for every image. Evening out the surface will require either lamination or a spray coating.
On art or matte paper, the gloss is muted or invisible. Canvas requires a protective coating anyway, so that's not a concern.
On high gloss paper, the difference in ink gloss is minimal.
They had waiting list sign up sheets for all three printers. The 7600 is a 22" wide carriage printer that is priced at $3000, the 9600 is 44" at $5000. I'll probably have to invest another $1500 in RIP software to make the printer productive. If I can make the printer pay for itself creating art reproduction prints, I'd love to have the capability to make very large prints of my work.
If I can't cost justify the wide carriage printer move, a 2200 will definitely be joining my 1270. The 1270 will have the proofing job for my design work and the 2200 will handle archival photo prints.
#2. "RE: Epson 2200 Photo Printer - Anyone excited about deb" | In response to Reply # 1lstavast Registered since 01st Jan 2003Sun 23-Jun-02 09:01 AM
Good info. My source tells me mid-august delivery, I'm on his waiting list for now...
BJ - would you choose the 2200 over the 2000P based on what you've seen ?
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#3. "RE: Epson 2200 Photo Printer - Anyone excited about deb" | In response to Reply # 0
Epson UK have a bit more information about the printer - which is known as the 2100 outside America.
I'm definitely interested. As a 2000P owner though, I'm a bit cautious: I'd like to see some reviews and ideally some actual output so I can be sure the metamerism problems with the 2000P's pigment inks have been solved properly.
I'm a bit disappointed that the ink 'gloss' problem BJ mentioned above looks like it's still there, although if the 2100 produces accurate colours on high gloss papers then I'll be happy: the 2000P suffers severe metamerism on Epsons Premium Gloss paper - blue skies go cyan!
I'm really hoping they've got things right this time.
P.S. I know they say 1st June, but I haven't found anyone with it in stock yet - they're all saying one to two weeks time.
#5. "RE: Epson 2200 Photo Printer - Anyone excited about deb" | In response to Reply # 3Mon 24-Jun-02 02:18 AM
I'm not sure if your sky problem is related to metamerism. I suspect it has more to do with the limited color gamut that clean blues are forced to fit with CMYK inks (and the 2000P's relatively smaller gamut CMYK pigment inks makes this worse). The sky color issue holds true for the 6-color dye based inks as well even with their somewhat broader gamut.
I saw no obvious metamerism on any of the sample prints that were shown. There was none of the greenish cast that can be seen in 2000P prints (the meeting room had lots of outside windows, the light was daylight with overhead fluorescents). The 7600 and 9600 can be had in dye based versions for greater gamut, but they weren't shown at the presentation. I'd love to see what the two inksets do side-by-side.
Based on the greater speed, extra features and lower cost of the 2100/2200 (about $650 US) I'd choose it over the 2000P without hesitation. If there are any 2000P printers in inventory when the new models hit the market, I'd expect them to drop to a clearance price well under the street price of the new printers.
Without any truly credible third party longevity tests (Wilhelm is still out to lunch going on a couple of years now), all we've got to work with is Epson's longevity projections. I think after the "orange fade" fiasco (nearly creating a class action suit by angry customers) they will tend to be conservative with their estimates.
I know what I'm facing with the dye based inks and I'm not willing to market prints made with those inks. I'll feel resonably comfortable selling prints made with the Ultrachrome inks based on Epson's projected lifespan.
I also like not worrying about profiling output specific for daylight or tungsten viewing. The headshot sample print I have looks nice in daylight and under tungsten.
The gloss issue is most problematic with the papers I like least - the lusters. I'll be happy with gloss or matte for my printing.
#6. "RE: Epson 2200 Photo Printer - Anyone excited about deb" | In response to Reply # 5Mon 24-Jun-02 08:17 AM
>I'm not sure if your sky problem is related to metamerism. I
>suspect it has more to do with the limited color gamut that
>clean blues are forced to fit with CMYK inks (and the
>2000P's relatively smaller gamut CMYK pigment inks makes
I guess it could be some sort of profiling problem with that particular paper, but it's not just the skies - everything takes on a greenish cast of the type I associated with the metamerism problems on other glossy papers, only in this instance it's far more severe - to the point where I regard the paper as unusable. The same image printed on Archival Matte paper would have perfectly good colours.
>I saw no obvious metamerism on any of the sample prints that
>were shown. There was none of the greenish cast that can be
>seen in 2000P prints (the meeting room had lots of outside
>windows, the light was daylight with overhead fluorescents).
That's good news.
#7. "RE: Epson 2200 Photo Printer - Anyone excited about deb" | In response to Reply # 6Mon 24-Jun-02 03:22 PM
I just put in my order for a 2200 at Computers4Sure. Not in stock, but arrival is expected next month. They had a middling Cnet comparison shopping price of $656. Prices ranged up to $699 US in the list of vendors. PCNation shows it for $593, but I'm not comfortable buying from them looking at the comments from reselleratings.com.
I decided to give myself time to get more data on a cost analysis of the wide carriage printers and media before I buy. Meanwhile, I can get up to speed with the characteristics of Ultrachrome inks with the 2200. State Street Direct shows the shipping date as 7/28, so I could be waiting a month or more before I can report firsthand results.
#8. "RE: Epson 2200 Photo Printer - Anyone excited about deb" | In response to Reply # 7Mon 24-Jun-02 06:57 PM
Heh. It's going to cost about £443+VAT here which is about $664. Of course, once the tax has been added that's about £521 / $782....
I'm keeping an eye on Microwarehouse and Dabs to see when it comes in stock.
#4. "RE: Epson 2200 Photo Printer - Anyone excited about deb" | In response to Reply # 0
Does anybody know the expected price for the 2200?
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#9. "RE: Epson 2200 Photo Printer - Anyone excited about deb" | In response to Reply # 4jejones Basic MemberTue 25-Jun-02 12:01 PM
Photolife reported a street price of $1099 Cdn which is $300 below the going 2000P price up here. I'm excited. I've been on the fence about taking the 2000P plunge for ages. I think the 2200 will be finding its way to my desktop soon.
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