Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED (LS-5000 ED) comments
Hello, I am in the market for the above but have heard some negative things about it, particularly its software. I'm looking to spend $1000 USD ($1500 USD max) for a very good, quality scanner to scan my 4,000 35 mm slides and a fair amount of un-mounted 35mm film. I'm not a professional but am looking for very good quality results. After scanning, the images will become resident in Apple's iPhoto application and then probably eventually find their way onto a DVD. My computer is an Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.4.10 (Tiger) which I will probably upgrade soon to 10.5 (Leopard). Here are a couple comments/observations. Anyone's comments/experiences/observations/suggestions with this scanner and its software will be appreciated!
(1)I was ordering a Nikon LS-5000 ED through B&H Photo and they told me to cancel the order and order an Epson V700 instead because the results were just as good and because the LS-5000 ED can't handle Kodachrome film well. Turns out I checked and don't believe I have any Kodacrome film, so this may be a mute point. I was a little turned off by their comment for 2 reasons: I don't like the idea of having to scan through a glass bed that the slide/film rests upon and also I've heard in general that you can't manually focus with flatbed scanners.
(2)Apparently the Nikon Scan s/w hasn't been updated in a while since Nikon apparently is not actively developing scanning technology and products since the world is changing to digital format from the moment of image capture. I have downloaded NS 4.0 which has a create date of 2002. Subsequently I downloaded NS 4.0.2 (Updater) which also seems not particularly current (2003 I believe). Net is that it doesn't appear that Nikon is putting much energy/resources into maintaining its s/w for its scanners as computer base operating systems change. According to Nikon tech support, this may change some since Nikon knows they have to do something to have NS run on MS Vista. Whether the Mac version will be re-visited is not clear. In the process of snooping around, I found out that LaserSoft makes a product called SilverFast which supposedly supports LS-5000 ED (and many other scanners) but at a pretty hefty price ($348 USD), so I'm not inclined to purchase it plus I haven't tried NS yet. But it is reassuring to know there is some other s/w out there for the LS-5000 ED if needed. In fairness to Nikon, both NS 4.0 and NS 4.0.2 (Updater) installed w/o problem and in checking into as many things as I could w/o a scanner attached, the s/w seemed stable and no issues were encountered.
#1. "RE: Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED (LS-5000 ED) comments" | In response to Reply # 0dgillilan Nikonian since 14th May 2006Sun 16-Sep-07 09:22 AM
I use the Nikon V ED scanner and I am happy with it. I am still using Windows XP and I do think that someone posted a workaruond to the use of Vista. I have printed one of my scans to size 16x20 and have it framed and get compliments on it. I am happy with the scanner, although not the exact same model you asked about, I saw that no one had replied to you yet,
EDIT 09/17/07 : Yes, I do use Nikon Scan version 4 I think it is, (with Windows XP) as my scanning software.
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#2. "RE: Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED (LS-5000 ED) comments" | In response to Reply # 0
I have both the 5000ED and an Epson V750 (high-end version of the V700). Having used both for slide scanning, I feel the Nikon is much better, although more expensive. Although the Epson has resolutions up to 4800 dpi and 6400 dpi, I get better results with the Nikon at 4000 dpi. Having said that, however, the resulting scans from the Epson are still quite good.
For me, the real difference was speed--especially, if you are using Digital Ice for dust and scratch removal (highly recommended). The Epson can take up to 3 min per slide compared with about a minute for the Nikon. On the other hand, you can place 12 slides in the holder for the Epson, do your pre-scan, start the scan and then go have lunch.
For slide scanning, I also purchased the SF-210 slide feeder for the Nikon which enables you to scan up to 50 slides without intervention (unless a slide jam occurs--actually for me, infrequently, although others have reported this to be a problem). Only down side is the added cost.
I've also heard of the issue with Kodachrome, but frankly experienced no problem. In fact, most of my older collection is Kodachrome. I did, however, use Vuescan (highly recommended in that it supports virtually all scanners) rather than NikonScan.
Hope this helps with your decision. Good luck.
#5. "RE: Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED (LS-5000 ED) comments" | In response to Reply # 2Mon 17-Sep-07 02:52 PM
Thanks for the information, wwaag. I'm leaning toward the Nikon LS-5000 ED but haven't quite decided on it yet, so it is good to hear your comments about it. I've heard various comments on the Nikon SF-210 slide feeder, including from Nikon itself, who say that it is prone to jams unless slide mounts are in good condition. For this reason and also its cost ($450 USD), I'm not planning on purchasing one. I called Nikon to find out why it is so expensive and was told that it has a feeder mechanism and motor so it is a fairly sophisticted attachment. Regardless, I may change my mind once I "feel" how long it is going to take. Going through some rough calculations to scan about 3,000 slides, I found that if I can scan a slide in 1 minute (probably unrealistic) it would take 50 continuous hours. At 3 minutes per slide (probably more realistic) it would take 150 continuous hours! These times are based on pre-scan times of 11 sec, scan times of 20 sec plus editing time for each slide.
Glad to hear that you were able to scan Kodachrome OK, although you didn't use Nikon Scan. Will check into VueScan -- good to hear of another scanning application that supports Nikon scanners. It has a much more attractive price ($80 USD for the professional version) than LaserSoft's SilverFast ($348 USD). For now, will probably use Nikon Scan unless I run into major problems.
#3. "RE: Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED (LS-5000 ED) comments" | In response to Reply # 0
We are very happy with the Coolscan 5000. We are now using it with Vista Home Premium, and it works great. We use Nikon Scan.
If you are installing the scanner into Vista, turn on the scanner. Then Vista will ask you for a driver. Put the Nikon Scan 4.0 CD in your cd rom. Vista will find the driver and install it.
Then continue with installing Nikon Scan. After it completes, it will then update Nikon Scan to 4.02. We have also used VueScan, but prefer Nikon Scan.
FYI- We are getting better performance with Vista, then we did with XP.
#6. "RE: Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED (LS-5000 ED) comments" | In response to Reply # 3Mon 17-Sep-07 02:56 PM
Thanks for the information, Jackie. I'm running Mac OS 10.4.10 but it is good to know that you are having success with the LS-5000 ED on Vista. GW
#7. "RE: Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED (LS-5000 ED) comments" | In response to Reply # 3ksigrid Registered since 21st Sep 2007Fri 21-Sep-07 02:26 AM
I also am using Nikon Scan 4.02 on Vista. I'm new to this forum and can't right off see how to post a new question - maybe because I have the free membership - but perhaps you or other members can kindly answer a question I have regarding my super coolscan 5000 ed. I have scanned all of my slides with great results and no problems. I cannot however sucessfully scan my black and white film strip negatives unless I do not enable the digital ICE. I do enable the digital DEE and the scan image enhancer. With ICE enabled, the preview is a murky, muddy result. Without ICE, the result is good but the scratches are not removed. My old b&w negatives need the ICE feature the most. Am I missing something obvious here? I've tried many combinations of features to try to hit upon a way to enable ICE with an acceptable result but cannot. I also have sought the help feature and the Nikon site to no avail. Also, we bought the scanner last year and I seem to remember a booklet that came with the Nikon Scan 4.0 CD. If that is so, I can't find it. It could have been a likely source to answer my question. Can someone verify that for me? If so I'll have to call Nikon to buy another copy. Thanks for any info to get me past this road block.
#8. "RE: Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED (LS-5000 ED) comments" | In response to Reply # 7jafo37 Nikonian since 26th Nov 2005Fri 21-Sep-07 03:39 AM
ksigrid, Page 46 of the manual states; Digital Ice will not produce the desired results with monochrome film (unless developed in color).
Also Page 62 of the Reference Manual Easy Scanning Guide states; Digital Ice can not be used with monochrome film unless the film has been developed in color.
#9. "RE: Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED (LS-5000 ED) comments" | In response to Reply # 8ksigrid Registered since 21st Sep 2007Fri 21-Sep-07 05:29 PM
>ksigrid, Page 46 of the manual states; Digital Ice will not
>produce the desired results with monochrome film (unless
>developed in color).
>Also Page 62 of the Reference Manual Easy Scanning Guide
>states; Digital Ice can not be used with monochrome film
>unless the film has been developed in color.
Jackie, thanks for replying - I was afraid of that. I will attempt to edit the b&w photos obtained with the coolscan using Photoshop to remove the scratches. Does anyone have a recommendation for the best way to remove scratches on black and white photos/negatives? Any other good software out there? My version of Photoshop is old, version 6 and I don't want to pay to upgrade it unless necessary. Great forum! Hope I can contribute soon and not just ask questions, although my questions might help others too.
#10. "RE: Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED (LS-5000 ED) comments" | In response to Reply # 0
Ok, first I have a 5000 ED and am very happy. Successfully recovered several hundred of my Dad's pre-WW2 35mm Kodachromes, some horrible 50's era blue Ektachromes, and his mounted B&W Positive Slides, all with success. I have scanned my own best slides and color negatives. We scan our B&W negatives in strips of 5-6 ea. I stopped mounting my slides, and have them delivered in strip roll, which I cut at home and scan. I am running Mac hardware under OS 10. For scratches I do use ICE set low, but with a color scan of the B&W neg (don't try for the deep scratches fix those in Photoshop). Then I converted back to B&W in other software, I think it was Capture 4. I don't move out of Scan to PS CS2 until I have a good corrected scan. I also use VueScan which is a very fine shareware package, it is my back up against the day Nikon abandons Scan and doesn't replace it. I personally think it will be updated like View was and will be available on the same basis. But it pays to be safe and have a backup package and VueScan is outstanding in that role. I run an antique flatbed (remember the HP4p) on current OS 10.4, and current hardware with it. The drivers are well maintained, and it does a good job with the Nikon hardware too. Hope this helps.
#11. "RE: Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED (LS-5000 ED) comments" | In response to Reply # 0
Funny, I've been thinking about ditching my Coolscan and getting the Epson!
I have a Coolscan V ED, not the 5000. Basically what I sacrifice is the ability to do batch scanning. Otherwise the two scanners are identical.
The images the Coolscan is capable of creating are stellar, but it has taken me months to get to where I want to be.
ICE is priceless.
However, the batch scanning is the biggest reason to use the Coolscan, in my opnion. It sounds like this is your thought. This is why I'm leaning toward the Epson, because it can scan 12 frames at once (plus larger film formats, which is very attractive to me).
I have to tell you though. I feel Nikon Scan is a worthless piece of junk software. I know people here have had good luck with it. That's great, and I hope you do to. I have not. It crashes on me. It crashes on me relentlessly. I have tried multiple combinations and different computers, and it has failed on me too many times to count.
Having said that, there is a very real problem trying to evaluate software when you get such disparate opinions about the same thing. I know from the professional music recording world that software success and/or failure often is the result of a myriad of combination possibilities consisting of motherboard choices, operating system choices, OS rev level, what drivers you are using with what piece of hardware you have attached, which PCI slots you use and which ones you leave empty (!), the order you leave those PCI slots empty (!)etc. It can be a tangled web of craziness getting marginal things to work okay. Sometimes they work rock solidly for some and for others they can't get it to work well at all.
Successful things seem to have little compatibility problems across many hardware/software combination possibilities. Things that are more problematic with the same possibilities ought to be seen with a more suspicious eye. I can't get Nikon Scan to work well for me. It works often, but almost as often it crashes. I have lost tons of hours of work after getting images prescanned and set up for the real thing only to have the real thing get half way complete and then crash. There is a large amount of anecdotal evidence on the net to the same effect.
I'm not saying Nikon Scan won't work for you, but make sure you understand that there is a lot of experience over the last few years that count as a severe warning to at least SUSPECT it will be problematic.
Frankly, if I were you, and you insist on using the Coolscan, get Silverfast or VueScan and be done with it. I hear they work great with Nikon scanners. I know VueScan does.
#12. "RE: Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED (LS-5000 ED) comments" | In response to Reply # 11bobjoek Charter MemberTue 02-Oct-07 08:24 AM
I also have a Coolscan V and initially used Nikon Scan. I ditched Nikon Scan over a year ago for Silverfast and have not looked back. Silverfast has provided me with superior scans over Nikon Scan and has many more features. Unlike Nikon, the Silverfast folks continue to enhance their scanner software product line. Their low end product, Silverfast SE ($49), is superior to Nikon Scan in my opinion.
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#15. "RE: Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED (LS-5000 ED) comments" | In response to Reply # 12Thu 04-Oct-07 02:04 PM
Thanks, Bob. Didn't realize Silverfast had a version that reasonable. I would like to speak with someone at LaserSoft Imaging (author of Silverfast) but apparently they cut off phone support in the U.S. And a couple emails I sent to them went unanswered. GW
#14. "RE: Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED (LS-5000 ED) comments" | In response to Reply # 11
Very interesting comments, Bravin! I haven't experienced a failure with NS on my 2GB Intel Imac running the latest version of Tiger (10.4.10) but reading articles like yours and others, I'm being very careful not to stress things when NS is running. BTW, I run iPulse (system performance monitor) and the resources that NS takes are considerable -- both processor wise and real memory wise. I haven't done batching yet (I would imagine that requires the SF-210 slide feeder) so maybe I haven't stressed NS as much as you. I appreciate your comments and cautions. GW