I just got off the phone with KEH out of Atlanta... I just purchased the last Fuji FinePix S2 Pro they had in stock. The reason I feel sick, is that I will not see the Nikon name on the camera, above the lens. I am, and will always be a Nikonian, I still own a F100 as well as a N80 (until I sell it)... as well as half a dozen Nikon Lenses. I just can’t get over that the Fuji S2 was a better choice for me than the D100.
I posted my concerns on another thread, and if anybody wants to open this discussion up, I would be more than happy to explain my reason behind getting the Fuji S2...
Anyway! It looks like I will have a new toy to play with this weekend, and a new camera to bring with me to Moab! (if the wife lets me) I hate disclaimers!
Ok, I know how to alter my Fuji S2 to make me feel better…!
Congratulations on your purchase. It may not be 100% Nikon, but it's close enough. (Hey, if you can call a Cosina made FM-10 a Nikon, I think you can call the Fuji S2 a Nikon.)
Not that I'm purchasing one or the other anytime soon, I'd be happy to hear to your reasons. (You can send it in an e-mail, or post it.)
"(if the wife lets me) Yeah, I know what you mean. My cousin is getting married next month (a Marine wedding with NCO swords and everything) and the wife is telling me that the Nikon takes too much room in the car and is staying home. Uh, right-not.
Have fun, bring extra batteries to Moab! (Wish I were going.) Congrats again.
"The important things in life are simple; the simple things are hard."
I've been a faithful Nikonian all my life too until I bought my Fuji S1 a few weeks ago. I was tormented a bit, however, after playing with the S1, I am VERY happy with it. I wish I had the money for the S2 -- I would have bought it over the D100 (sorry if I upset any of you) as I do alot of nature, landscapes, and portraits. The Fuji CCD is better (for what I do) in my opinion.
But remember one thing, what you put IN FRONT of your camera body is what really counts. And I don't see Fuji making F-mount lenses anytime soon! Stick with our "trusted" name.
I don't see Fuji making F-mount lenses, but they make some of the world's best glass for their own cameras. My Hasselblad Xpan is made by Fuji, as are the lenses, and the optical performance is exceptional. I wonder if down the road Fuji will build its own camera instead of grafting onto a Nikon body. Unlike Kodak, Fuji already has the production infrastructure to do their own thing. Perhaps they will when these 6-month product introduction cycles slow down...
You lucky Duck. I suppose you are going to make me do all the driving in Colorado while you shoot photos with your new camera, out of the SUV's windows. Looks like a great purchase, and I'm looking forward to seeing how this "digital" camera operates. Not sure if I'll ever be ready to move up to Digital from Film, but a few years ago, I never thought I could purchase and carry anything but a SIG, and here I sit with H&Ks. Times change...
When you hold your F100 and then put it down to hold your S2, don't you like the feel of the F100 better? Now slap on your 105 or your 80-200 and do some playing around... Do you like the F100's focus and ergonomics better?
I dare not compare the F100 with the D100 (Fuji S2).
It would be like comparing the N80 to the F100 or even the F100 to the F5.
The S2 is a digital N80 and that is that!
I will keep my F100 for now... I don’t see myself upgrading all my film equipment for digital. The Fuji S2 fits my needs (and my wife’s) If I was out shooting more and earning more money I would have opted for the D1x instead of the S2, but even saying that, I think the S2 is a better studio camera than the D1x, for the money!... not having held the D1 series, its hard for me to judge!
I think we will find more Nikon digitals in the future, one that would fall between the D1x and the D100.
So, Brian... have you canceled your wedding shot, and made reservations at the Ramada Inn in Moab yet??? lol
Technology is expensive! Technology is fun! It is better to have than to have not! I think!
No reason to feel bad. At the end it comes down to personal preferences. We are driving a Mercedes, you are in a BMW
My thoughts about the two contestants:
I had both, the D100 and S2, returned the S2 and kept the D100.
When I started looking into getting a digital camera the S2 looked more appealing to me:
- bigger resolution - most important: flash situation (I still believe Nikon either implemented a brilliant sales strategy or did a major screw-up in development)
But after going into the details and actually holding both cameras in my hands I favored the D100
- size and weight: the D100 is slightly smaller and lighter (about 100g) and still balances nicely in my hand. Each gram counts when packing the bag for a hike. I am still longing after a body the size and weight of my old Olympus OM-1!!
- location of the LCD monitor: with the D100 my nose does not stuck into it and I am getting less prints onto the LCD. In addition I prefer the menu buttons of the D100.
- Battery situation!!: the little build-in flash is quite powerful and makes a nice fill flash when you do not want to haul around a bigger unit like when strolling around like ordinary tourists with the camera and a single lens. You need the CR123s to power the flash. Keep changing batteries or keep draining the CR123s? Also, the Nikon has a better battery life. With the 80-400VR and VR-ON the Nikon keeps going. 300+ shots and no problems. At 400 I get the impression the AF gets a little bit slower, but the problem might be that it was at the end of the day with less light. I do not know the max number of shots yet.
- I could not make out any significant difference in picture quality, especially in printouts (Epson 1280, the quality is OK for me. I do not know about pro lab prints). No difference in printouts when re-sampling D100 to match S2 raw file size. Therefore the bigger raw file size of the S2 is a waste of memory and money (need twice as much CF cards in the field).
- both of them like to blow out highlights easily.
- marginal less noise of S2 and ISO100 in long exposure, but with the D100 and ISO200 the exposure time is cut in half (I think only the D60 excels in that respect).
- underexposure of background with flash: as far as I can tell, the S2 automatically chooses a wider aperture in automatic flash mode and therefore allowing more ambient light resulting in better exposed backgrounds. The exposure of the main object appears to be the same. (I cannot imagine any other way how to keep the exposure of the main object the same, but having different background exposure).
By the way, you will need more CF cards!! No more worries about film cost. I just cannot keep my finger from that button. I take at least 4 times more pictures than with my F100.
Have a nice day
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Under the circumstances, I can understand why we went with separate cameras... The D100 works better for you and the S2 should work better for me! Life is so simple some times!
I dont have my BMW yet! I am waiting until they come out with the next 3 series model; one that has a larger engine, better 0-60 speed, better braking, better gas mileage, better sound system, more color choices, moon roof standard, all wheel drive, all for the cost of a Toyota Camry! Wow! That sounded familiar!
You are correct, I made my decision, and I do NOT regret getting the Fuji S2. I just wish it had the Nikon name on it, and that is it! I do feel fine; the comment about feeling bad was just a joke.
As I hold my new Fuji S2 Pro...(yes it arrived today, and I left my flashcards at home, but I did bring my camera gear) It is a Nikon N80 as I stated before, but a N80 with a built in MB16. It is very nice, a little plastic feeling, but it is a solid camera. For those of you who own a N80 (as I do), you know what I am talking about, for those of you who own a F100 (as I do) or a F5, you would be disappointed in the plastic feel of the camera, but then again, it is not the D1x at $4600USD... my point is made!
I hope to show some examples soon! If my wife lets me play with it when I get home!
I am frankly and deeply shocked that you bought a Fuji. I don't think you should be allowed to bring it on a Nikon-ians trip. I think the best thing would be for you to bring it to Boulder and leave it at my place.
ps. Those Nikon stickers won't fool anybody. I saw through them in a few days.
As a dear friend, I took your advice from your last email... The S2 is on its way to Boulder... via some overnight express company.
I seriously recommend the S2 be sent here well in advance. Airport security is notorious for damaging the delicate electronics in digital cameras and several reports list the S2 as especially susceptible. Keep in mind that there is a tendency for S2's to transform into Nikon FM's during transit. This effect is not common, but it does happen. I doubt yours would have any problems. I say we give it a try. If you could get it out here by Monday, I can tell you how it came through. That way if there is a problem, you have time to buy a new one.
Seriously, though. I really like the flower shot. On a portrait discussion thread Dave Dosch suggested that I could take a high resolution portrait image up to 20x30 inches. What are the resolution specs on the Fuji S2 compared to D100? Was there a particular reason you bought the S2 instead of the D100 besides the fact that it cost more? Where did you buy yours?
Related to a question above, I can bring a Sony Vaio 850mhz laptop with a 14.5" screen for viewing images. It does not have a CD writer. It does have Adobe Photoshop 7.0, however, if we want to have some fun with your images. We could hook your S2 directly to it and have a good look at your days shooting. I've got a few gig of empty disk for storage if you wanted to offload anything, but then we'd have to get them off onto an external device.
Was the overnight delivery supposed to arrive today?
Flash Fuji: 1/125 sync; TTL on any Nikon-compatible flash D100: 1/180 sync; TTL only on DX flashes (D-TTL)
Connection Fuji: USB 1.1 or Firewire USB 1.1 D100: USB only
Power Fuji: Power 4 AA Nimh rechargeable batteries, 2 CR123a EN-EL3 lithium rechargeable D100: EN-EL3 lithium rechargeable
Weight Fuji: 1.7 lbs (760g) D100: 1.5 lbs (700g)
Options Fuji: Voice annotation; PC Sync terminal; multiple exposure! In camera pixel interpolation to produce 12-megapixel images. D100: options only available with the MB-D100: Optional battery pack (six AA) with vertical release, 10-pin camera control connector, and voice annotation;"more green" sRGB mode!
Price Fuji: US$2395 street price. $2399 D100: US$2195 street price. $1999
I can bring a Sony Vaio 850mhz laptop with a 14.5" screen for viewing images. It does not have a CD writer. It does have Adobe Photoshop 7.0, however, if we want to have some fun with your images.
I am thinking of bringing a laptop for downloading and storing. I plan on taking thousands of pics with the S2. I purchased a 512mb card and I could store about 100 high rez images... I was thinking of getting a Digital Wallet and not bothering with a laptop, but the laptop is free the digital wallet is $400+.
Was the overnight delivery supposed to arrive today?
Very interesting article. I noted that the author felt that the Fuji was geared toward studio use. My big incentive is studio use. That's were I actually make more money than I spend.
What kind of connectivity is available for direct (or nearly so) viewing of S2 images? In portrait work I'd like to use the S2 like a polaroid and see immediately what I've got.
Of the above, what was/were the main reasons you went for the Fuji?
Regarding the laptop, if you can hook a digital wallet up to my laptop, you're welcome to. Laptops are something of a hassle traveling by air. The digital wallet would be much more compact. Besides, I'd like to see one, so I recommend you get it.
It looks like I can use my SB-28 with the S2 but not with the D100? Is that correct?
...What kind of connectivity is available for direct (or nearly so) viewing of S2 images?.
Video Out Connection (the yellow plug)... I think this would plug directly into a TV! I will test this out tonight... Darn, the S2 is on its way to you! You test it out when you get it!
...main reasons you went for the Fuji?
PC Sync, Image Quality, Using TTL with my SB-28 (rather than having to purchase a DX Flash). I was thinking of getting the SB-50DX for this reason, but this would cost me $150.
...The digital wallet would be much more compact. Besides, I'd like to see one, so I recommend you get it.
Should I have the Digital Wallet sent directly to your house...???
...It looks like I can use my SB-28 with the S2 but not with the D100? Is that correct?
You can use the SB-28 on the D100, but not with TTL metering... This is my understanding. Somehow Fuji solved the problem, Nikon wants you to purchase the SB-80DX or SB-50DX...
...Laptops are something of a hassle traveling by air.
If the hotel has a Internet connection, we could keep in touch with Nikonians.org, and post some pics of the trip! Plus I could download all my images to the laptop and not have to spend the $400 for the digital wallet... but if you insist, I will order it tonight and have it sent to your house.. Same Day Air!
Do you mean a SB-50DX + D100 would cost more than the Fuji S2?
Not at all... that would put the D100/SB-50DX at about $2150. I would like to have a more powerful flash, and the SB-80DX is about $350... that would put the D100/SB-80DX at $2350... getting closer to the cost of the S2... the other items that would cost more for the D100, would be a PC Sync for my studio flash.. a $50 value... now we are up to $2400... the last hundred dollars is lost somewhere between softward and post processing time, along with quality of images that the S2 has over the D100 (IMHO)...
The S2, Digital Wallet, Film and CompactFlash Card are being overnighted to your house via Not Exactly Express, Same Day Air!
I hope to see them on Friday the 11th of October when I arrive! Thanks for all your help... I am looking so forward to trashing your place!
what are you trying to say... that you are getting one?
I hooked up the Video Out cable to the Fuji S2, I inserted the other end into the Video In on my TV. Since neither the S2 nor the D100 offer image PREVIEW, only POSTVIEW, I took a picture, and the image appeared on my TV Screen... and when the screen went blank after recording the image, I pressed play, and there it was... the image on the TV. So to answer your question, Chuck... yes it works!
Not sure if the D100 has the Video Out Option...
I will repack the S2, the digital wallet, the laptop, the film, all my film gear and camera, and the Video Cable along with the Big Screen TV, and a few hundred dollars spending money, and ship them to your house for the Moab Trip... Same Day Air, using Not Exactly Express Service... Enjoy!
I went from 0 to D100 in one step. I did not have any experience with digital before. With film it takes at least a few hours to see any results. Now, I can connect it to the VideoIn and get instant feedback. The first day, I was sitting in front of the TV like a little kid and kept pressing the shutter A friend was totally amazed when I recorded a slideshow on tape.
PS: The NTSC/PAL switch of the D100 was one of the other reasons for me to go along with the D100. Having family and friends back in Germany the PAL system switch is a big bonus for me.
Have a nice day
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I never thought of recording those pics on tape... Wow, what a great idea!
Chuck, send my stuff back, I need to make some VCR tapes... I could upload pictures to my FlashCard, then view them through the play feature onto the TV, and then record... now i need to find a way to add sound!
Well, I did it. I ordered an Fuji S2 from BH Photo. I ordered the 512 meg memory card and the 3 year extended warranty. I should have the camera tomorrow.
The reasona I've chosen it over the D100 are: 1. my sb-28 is compatible 2. uses civilian batteries 3. I like the lower ISO range 4. Voice annotation could come in handy when taking people photos - record name, etc. 5. Firewire USB - I have a Sony Vaio laptop which should work well.
Other than that it was a wash. All things being equal, I would rather have the D100, but the flash issue was very big. The price differential would pretty much cover the cost of a new flash, but then I'd have an extra flash to bring along.
So, what is the consensus - are we Fuji S2 owners pariahs?
The S2 is a thinly disguised Nikon. It is really cool. You both made a fine choice!
Nikon gets money when you buy one. The Japanese economy is also supported, which in turn supports the world economy, and in turn allows the world to keep making stuff for us to buy.
Of course, my D100 is 23% cooler, but, with a Nikon sticker stuck over the Fuji label, it statistically approaches to within 10% of the coolness of my D100.
Just so that we D100 users can still feel good, remember this, the D100 is between 10 and 25% cooler than a Fuji FinePix, and is between 33 and 56% cooler than a Canon D60. Plus, it is now being rated as 80% cooler than film cameras in general.
(Source: Digital Darrell's Top-Secret Snoot Factor Rating System)
Thanks for not thinking too badly of us. In some ways the S2 seems more compatible with the rest of my Nikon stuff.
I already sent your stuff back two days ago. Overnighted it using the same high class service you sent it out in. BTW, was the box that dented when you sent it? It looked like it had been through a war! You'll see what I mean when you get it back. The camera was hanging out through this one hole in the side of the box, but the driver said it would make it back "no problem, man." Then he laughed. He was a funny guy.
Related to the portrait threads: I've also ordered to photogenic 1250dr light systems for my studio. They should be here when I get back.
Thanks for not thinking too badly of us renegade Nikonians. Our hearts are pure, even if our actions speak otherwise. What is nice is having a situation where there is actually a choice. I think the Fuji line will keep pressure on the Nikon line, as if the Canon D-series weren't enough.
I sent your stuff back two days ago using the same high-class overnight service you used. BTW, was the box that dented when you sent it? Anyway, I sent your camera back in the same box, but it was hanging out through this one big hole. When I asked the driver if it would be okay, he said, "No problem, man!" He pushed the camera back in with his finger, shook the box, then he laughed. He was a very funny guy.
You didn't get it yet? Let me know if the box makes it.
The little Nikonian is my daughter, Sierra... JRP was nice to give it to her on the First Nikonians Photo Adventure last year here in North Carolina... JRP and Bo had some hats made for those who attended the event.
In the near future, Nikonians.org will have an online shop to purchase items like hats, shirts, jackets, camera straps... and more.
Yesterday I did a shoot at the brewery and would have written a check for a D100 or S2 on the spot to save the flash coverage guesswork, running downtown to get the film processed, and big chunk of scanning time for this kind of rush job.
But I had to use my 18-35 lens for a few shots at focal lengths wider than 24mm. I couldn't have made the first two attached shots with a 1.5x crop-factor camera. It's frustrating to ponder dropping $2500 on an 80% solution.
But that 80% solution might be worth the investment. The Coolpix 990 came in very handy for trying some slow sync closeups of bottling machine action, but I'm not about to waste money on converter lenses for a camera I barely tolerate. The third image is a Coolpix shot that shows the kind of digital playing that you can do in the field without the risk of getting nothing.
I'm excited to see your new S2 in Moab. Perhaps that will push me over the edge (not a Moab cliff edge, I hope). The S2 would certainly have been a better camera for me yesterday than the D100. I would have been shooting jpeg and all the flash exposures would have been handled better by the Fuji (using my existing Speedlights).
Last I checked, Calument had both D100 and S2 bodies in stock...
The flash was one of my concerns: the D100 not compatible with my current SB-28. I would have to sell it and purchase either SB-80DX or a used SB-28DX (Cost difference $100-150) PC Sync Connection: The Fuji has one, the D100 does not. (Cost $50) Post RAW Software: D100 needs software to read RAW, the Fuji does not (Cost: $35-150) ISO Speed: Fuji 100, Nikon 200 Voice annotation: Fuji is built in, D100 needs a MB-d100 add on (cost $250) Post Processing: Fuji needs very little, D100 needs more! (Cost: Time)
The true selling point... a local camera store had a S2 in stock, I rushed over to take a look. The comments I heard from others about the quality of the S2... not so true. I own a N80, and I would say the build quality is about the same, the S2 is larger than the N80 (it is about the same size as the N80/MB-16 combo)...
I will post some samples this weekend... If I can find the time to get back online. I am one ecstatic Nikonian!
If I recall the first Nikonians Photo Adventure; Its Nikon Gear First, then the safty of the Nikonian! in that order! I would love to get my hands on a X-Pan!
I am thinking of either purchasing a digital wallet, or bringing a laptop to save some of the images... I currently have two CompactFlash Cards.. a 64mb and a 128mb. I might purchase a 256mb or 512mb card and just fill the cards. I dont know if I want to lug around a Laptop the entire trip.
I'd strongly suggest you take a laptop. A 512Mb card would give you space for about 200 6MPixel JPEG fine shots and while that may sound like a lot it isn't: if you behave anything like I do then you'll have filled the card within the first two days.
Don't be tempted by using normal JPEGs either - you want the best quality you can get.
Good comparison on the 2 cameras - all points I considered too - th D100 was actually more expensive in my case by about $800. I hope you'll enjoy the camera. (you can put flat black tape over the Fuji label if it really bothers you).... I'm waiting on next gen - I needed faster AF - I have an 80 and 100 and I go nuts waiting on the 80 focusing sometimes (but I don't have AFS lenses either).
Correction, the D100 does come with RAW conversion software, Nikon Editor and a plug-in to open NEF directly from Photoshop. You'll only have to resort to NC3 or Bibble for batch conversion and more fine tuning image options. The software that comes with the S2 doesn't do that either, so you'd have to buy their optional software anyway.
>Post RAW Software: D100 needs software to read RAW, the Fuji >does not (Cost: $35-150)