Not being a rockafeller type and being able to afford to subscribe to this site i can't post pictures which is a shame. I now own both of the above and am finding that the D70 image quality compares very favourbly with the S2 possibly even better? Anyone out there got these two and able to do a real world comparison which can be posted and discussed? The D70 does indeed hold more highlight detail as promised, kinda like shooting print as opposed to the S2's slide. Not sure if it's the chip or the lovely RGB meter, they also seem to have nailed the white balance down at last. One real good thing is the focus speed it fairly zips my 80-400mm VR around almost F100 style!The lack of shutter lag is very nice too, Don't get me wrong i still love my S2 so i put the 18-70MM on it and it's transformed the focus abilty of that camera i'm in love again with two black beauties!!!
#1. "RE: S2 V's D70 Initial impressions." | In response to Reply # 0ballroom_boy Registered since 05th Sep 2002Thu 25-Mar-04 09:44 PM
Thanks for the post. I too, would love to see a side by side comparison of S2 vs D70 shots. I am about to buy a second camera body and wonder if I should buy another S2 (since the S3 doesn't excite me with the current info Fuji has released) or pick up a D70.
Anyone else in the same boat?
#2. "RE: S2 V's D70 Initial impressions." | In response to Reply # 0Thu 25-Mar-04 10:37 PM
You can afford two DSLRs but not a Nikonians membership ?
The D70 must have a stronger AF motor - surprising if true. It appears that the D70 has sharper in-camera jpeg processing and perhaps a milder antialiasing filter. That makes for sharper images but appears to raise moire issues. I'll have to get my hands on a few raw files from the D70 and see how they stack up.
#3. "RE: S2 V's D70 Initial impressions." | In response to Reply # 2Fri 26-Mar-04 09:05 AM
Your right B.J. there is more moire on the D70 than the S2 even on raw files, that said in all other respects it seems spot on! The reason i now have two DSLR'S is that i am no longer working and simply can't afford the prosessing! So i sold off all my film gear,all the D70 will cost me is my own time of which i have far too much at the minute! Hope to get back to work part time this spring if all my ailments are willing!!!
The images do indeed seem to be crisper and stand a bit more enlargment than on the D100 i used to have, though i'm not exactly all that experienced with nikon capture and i only have the 30 day trial, come on Adobe. So far i've only shot RAW. I do think that that meter helps a lot too it seems really accurate just like my long lamented F5...
#4. "RE: S2 V's D70 Initial impressions." | In response to Reply # 3Fri 26-Mar-04 05:31 PM
The D70 sounds like a sweet camera. The moire is expected as a tradeoff compared to the softer images so many complained about with the D100, I imagine raw processing with moire reduction will be a good solution. The speed sounds very nice, not just focusing performance but write times too. In nearly every other regard, the D70 offers superior features to the S2 as well. The reported color shift at 1/8000 sec wouldn't matter at all to me, I wonder if it's caused by a slight lag in the shutter curtain on some cameras.
Please keep us posted with your impressions as you go!
#5. "RE: S2 V's D70 Initial impressions." | In response to Reply # 4scottjua Registered since 24th Feb 2003Mon 29-Mar-04 10:28 AM
This Moire issue seems odd...When I see examples of photos taken with lenses other than the kit lens the moire issue dissapears. And so far I haven't seen but a few test the theory that it's all lens based, which I think a majority of the D70's issues are.
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#6. "RE: S2 V's D70 Initial impressions." | In response to Reply # 5Shadco Registered since 07th Apr 2003Tue 30-Mar-04 08:36 AM
>This Moire issue seems odd...When I see examples of photos
>taken with lenses other than the kit lens the moire issue
>dissapears. And so far I haven't seen but a few test the
>theory that it's all lens based, which I think a majority of
>the D70's issues are.
I went on a moire hunt with an 85 f1.4 and was able to produce a few shots that contained moire. The good news is I haven't seen any show up in shots that I actually care about.
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#7. "RE: S2 V's D70 Initial impressions." | In response to Reply # 4Sat 03-Apr-04 04:21 AM
The D70 is indeed a sweet camera! I like it more and more, the moire issue does present itself a little though. One thing i have noticed is that the "Dust Off" Feature in Capture 4.1 doesn't work very well, pity! On the plus side i think is that the D70 makes all my S2 shots look soft focus! Kinda makes me think i've got a faulty one. I hope not, why do the RAW convertor shots look so much sharper than the ones done in ACR for both cameras?
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#10. "RE: S2 V's D70 Initial impressions." | In response to Reply # 9Tue 20-Apr-04 10:16 PM
From what I've read, the D70 is one of the most responsive DSLRs on the market. Shutter lag is minimal - no more than for a film body and the AF is faster and stronger than the D100 or S2. It also writes files very fast, perhaps the fastest writing DSLR available.
I'm tempted to pick up a D70, but I'm expecting it will have an even nicer bigger brother fairly soon. The D100's days are numbered...
#11. "RE: S2 V's D70 Initial impressions." | In response to Reply # 10
#12. "RE: S2 V's D70 Initial impressions." | In response to Reply # 11Mon 03-May-04 02:10 AM
Thinking of parting company with the S2, i don't think i use it enough to justify two cameras! May use the cash to get a wide angle or a small laptop not sure at the moment but i'm more than happy with the D70 at present. Only got the bad mosaicing in one shot, the capture one de-moirise action seems to cure that problem. Detail and sharpness seem to be on par or slightly better (sharpness) than the S2.
#13. "RE: S2 V's D70 Initial impressions." | In response to Reply # 12Tue 11-May-04 06:23 AM
Me and the S2 have parted company! Although having two bodies was nice i just don't think i could leave it any longer to sell my S2 and get a good return! Plus i don't shoot more than about 1-2000 shots a year(Keepers Probably about 3500 in all)!. Rumours of it's impending replacement are rife, fuji may get their S3 out sooner rather than later. That brings me back to nikon do you think they will go for a dual camera relase in the autumn? It would be kinda unusual but maybe the D100 would just be updated D100x? The market seems to be screaming D2X! We seem to be stuck at 6,000,000 in our format don't we? If the updated D100 had the same chip as the D70 and the ability to take remotes/vertical grips etc. I could be tempted into a second body scenario again, meanwhile the money from the S2 sale stays locked away so don't tell me i need the 12-24mm even though i know i want it!
#14. "RE: S2 V's D70 Initial impressions." | In response to Reply # 13TOBNTNO Registered since 06th Jun 2002Wed 12-May-04 07:12 AM
I have got the S2 and the D70 as well and I like both. The S2's pictures are better I think where as the D70 has the better metering and overall handling.
Did you notice a difference in the dynamic range of the two cameras ? Under equal conditions the D70 seems to have a dynamic range that is slightly higher than that of the S2 - but maybe that is just me.
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#15. "RE: S2 V's D70 Initial impressions." | In response to Reply # 14Wed 12-May-04 04:19 PM
Yeah i sort of came to the same conclusion the D70 sensor does indeed appear to have more dynamic range. I couldn't really quantify it into a stop range but it does seem to hold sky better, the new chip seems to have exactly the same resolution as the one in the D100. Where it scores is in it's ability to hold suttle nuances of shadows and highlights, also the meter is way better than either the D100 or S2 pro. I actually think that this is the main cause of the D70's superiority in these respects. I still rate the S2 pro as the best for colour though for actual picture Zap the D70 wins hands down they just Zing off the paper at you. I shoot mostly aircraft these days and i feel the S2 is a camera for a more considered approach but boy when you get it right with the S2 it makes yer eyes water! I miss it already but due to my weak financial position right now i had to let it go whilst i could still get the best return. I was out shooting at the local aerodrome today and missed a shot of a B.A.E. Hawk doing touch landings because i was shooting portraits of the museum aircraft! If i had had another body with the 80-400MM V.R. on i would have nailed it! As it was i just got a going away shot, I just couldn't change lenses fast enough. I may have to look into the second hand D100 or grey D70 market soon i think. Airshow season is here and i cannot afford any more mistakes!
#16. "My Impressions of D2H, D70, and S2 Pro" | In response to Reply # 0
Boy, this thread is sort of running on, isn't it?
I have always been in love with my S2 Pro - in particular for the overly rich colors it is capable of capturing. Now whether these colors "overly saturated" is an accurate thing, I won't go into that because my personal preferences caused me to buy that model and subsequently sell my D100 a year or more ago. Suffice it to say that the S2 was a winner for the 2 years it was on the market.
I am fortunate in that I now also have 3 other DSLR's - the Canon 300D DRebel, the Nikon D2H, and the D70. And what I am finding out - or should I say, really noticing now - is that the S2 Pro has a tendency to introduce a greenish/yellowish cast to the photos. Now this was not initially obvious to me when I was shooting with the S2 Pro as my only DSLR - but it became immediately noticeable when you started comparing it's image output to the likes of the Canon CMOS sensors, and the newer Nikon DSLR's.
But let's face it, advances in technology, sensor design, and other image capturing parameters only translate into better gear for the newest DSLR releases. It is only obvious that the S2 Pro will be bested as time goes on.
I have noticed, however, that the S2 Pro is a superb instrument in which to test various lenses, and I still personally prefer the S-2's wonderful high ISO output at ISO 800 and 1600 for indoor scenes. I have just taken too many of these high ISO images to know that this one of the best (if not the best) camera out there for high ISO images.
Many of the new camera releases to include the D70, the Olympus C8080 (which I also purchased - and let me tell you, this baby is an eye opener among the 8 MP prosumer genre) all seem to have a better dynamic range capturing capability (again, a sign of advances in technology).
So yes, the S2 will always be a classic - but for me - I am now (painfully so) noticing the greenish/yellowish cast that the Fuji products tend to place on the image (easily mistakable for superb saturation). I found this with the S7000 and the F700 as well - definitely a Fuji signature of types.
I wonder if the S3 will have the color cast signature?
#17. "RE: My Impressions of D2H, D70, and S2 Pro" | In response to Reply # 16Mon 17-May-04 06:00 AM
Kind of with you there as well Ben whilst i will never be able to afford a D2H (Bet it's a hoot!). I have found that all of the current crop appear to have more dynamic range than the S2. I guess this is just progress, i will always look back on any S2 images with fondness and perhps a little guilt at selling her down the river after only 6 months! I just find that with the D70 a good curve and photoshop actions i am doing less and less post processing and this can only be a good thing. The S3 intrigues me a bit as i do like the vertical grip option but have never liked bolt on ones too much finding the one on my F100/D100 too loose and the one on the F5 just about perfect. I am finding that D70 meter a little beauty though it's amazing what a third of a stop can do to keep the detail in a sky. If the S3 could have a colour meter (And i know it doesn't yet?)i think i may go for it but Nikon aren't going to let that out of the bag are they! For those who have had the pleasure of using it know it's one of the best kept secrets in photography.