For you S2 shooters. What are your thoughts on your next body or a backup body? Would you get another S2 (getting old),wait for S3 (I'm not sure I would spend $3000),or D70, D100 etc.
#1. "RE: Your next body or backup body" | In response to Reply # 0BJNicholls Charter MemberMon 14-Jun-04 09:04 PM
Right now I'd get a D70, it's a generation ahead of the D100 and superior in nearly every feature point. I've been tempted, but I'll hold off for a bit and see what the "D200" (whatever it's called) offers. Rumors are for December release.
The S3 is still too sketchy for me to be interested. I'm not thrilled by some of the gross specs that have been announced. The sensor would have to be fantastic to merit a high price on the body they've saddled the S3 with.
#2. "RE: Your next body or backup body" | In response to Reply # 1ballroom_boy Registered since 05th Sep 2002Tue 15-Jun-04 12:33 AM
I was very tempted to get a D70 as a backup to my S2, however, I was able to get a deal on a used S2 (from a guy who had it for 2 months and decided it was too much camera for him) for not much more than the D70. I was very lucky.
The nice thing about it is that I did not have to learn how to use another camera and now at weddings, I can have two different in lenses in action simultaneously (or get my assistant to shoot with the backup). I just love the images from the S2's.
The D70 is a very capable camera... why don't you test drive one? The price is right... (unless you can get a deal on a used S2 like me )
#3. "RE: Your next body or backup body" | In response to Reply # 2cbeam2 Registered since 08th Sep 2003Tue 15-Jun-04 03:16 AM
Roel, you have sort of hit one of my concerns right on the head. I have had to really learn the S2's ideal settings for each situation, and I'm talking from moment to moment. With another body, I have to learn it inside and out and not mix up my settings from one body to the other. Is it me or this a real concern? I am definately not in a financial situation to get a $3000+ - body. It really gripes me that this whole digital thing seems to obsolite itself every 6-12 months.
#4. "RE: Your next body or backup body" | In response to Reply # 3ballroom_boy Registered since 05th Sep 2002Tue 15-Jun-04 03:46 AM
How soon do you need your backup? Once Fuji releases the S3 or Nikon releases their D200 (or whatever it is called), my guess is that S2 prices will drop (or you can pick up a used one for a decent price) - if you can wait that long. That is of course, if you still want a body that will be 2 years old (nothing wrong with that, it is still a capable camera/sensor).
Like BJ stated, unless the S3's SR sensor produces incredible images, I probably won't bite. From the initial info Fuji has released, the body is not that much of an improvement over the S2 and I will also lose the TTL capability of my non-DX speedlights. The S3 will use D-TTL from what I understand.
The end of this year should be an interesting time for announcements...
#5. "RE: Your next body or backup body" | In response to Reply # 3BJNicholls Charter MemberTue 15-Jun-04 08:36 PM
The cool thing about the D70 is you can shoot jpeg+raw, so if you misjudge your settings you'll have raw files to give you some leeway. What to do depends on how you'd best benefit from a backup body. Is it a second body that makes you more productive (perhaps using a couple of lens ranges) and offers identical body redundancy, or is it a body that provides not only functional redundancy but also new capabilities you don't already have?
#6. "RE: Your next body or backup body" | In response to Reply # 5TOBNTNO Registered since 06th Jun 2002Tue 06-Jul-04 04:55 PM
I just got a D70 to back up and complement my S2. It is smaller, faster (better AF motors although it has the same AF-sensor as the S2), lighter and has a much better battery life. The exposure measurement is much better too: for flash and non-flash exosures. Auto White Balance is usually very exact and much better than that of the S2.
The advantages the S2 has: bigger grip, sync socket for strobes, lower noise, no "blinker" problem that is caused by the pre-flash and better looking pictures (in my opinion).
To sum it up: for my needs the D70 is the perfect back up for an S2 as it has some quite useful advantages to the S2. On the other hand I would never trade in my S2 for 2 D70s as there is certain things that I don't like about the D70 (see above).
If the picture isn't good, you weren't close enough (or the lab screwed it up) !
#7. "RE: Your next body or backup body" | In response to Reply # 6Benny Registered since 22nd Jul 2004Fri 23-Jul-04 06:42 AM
I too thought of a D70 as a backup, it is after all pretty cheap for a DSLR. I do however think if I got one I would only wish I'd got another S2, but then again money doesn't grow on trees.
Not a big fan of the D70 personally, looking at the sample images straight from camera such as Steves Digicams and DP Review the D70 stikes me as suffering the same problems you see with a lot of digital compact cameras and that's the horrible white lines around areas of high contrast, roof tops, leaves on trees against a sky background etc. It was for the (slightly)similar reasons I didn't go for the D100.
I did a lot of research before getting my S2 comparing the S2, D100 and Canon of the time, breaking up images in HSL, RGB, seeing what was lost in JPEG Compression etc. This coupled with standard AA's and a few other things to me made it easy to decide on the S2.
If you buy another S2 secondhand make sure you can test it first at f22 on a white wall background to check for dust/specs but more importantly signs of CCD scratches from the user cleaning the CCD.
With regards to technology updating the only time I'll get rid of mine is if it is stolen or broken. I get wet and digital prints from it at A3 regularly and to me just looks like colour/BW slide film (with a few tweaks) so it will do me for good. Would really like another before it becomes obsolete.
#8. "RE: Your next body or backup body" | In response to Reply # 0
Personally, I'm putting it off as long as possible. For anything that requires two bodies, I'll shoot film at this point - for a lot of reasons, mainly because I don't feel that my skills with post processing are where they need to be 100% of the time.
But - to answer the question - I'll probably wait for a D2X to decide if it will be that one or a D2H. I need something with a stronger AF system and bigger viewfinder for a lot of what I do, and none of the previously mentioned cameras really has what I need. I've heard good but contradicting things about the D2H and haven't really decided if it's for me. I have been very happy with the S2 in most situations, but a second camera will be a different one for me.