In June I have a wedding I have been asked to photograph. I have been very unimpressed by the Canon XT I have although it is a nice, light travel camera.
I am thinking about getting back into Nikon. My Nikon FMs are still pretty good as are my AIS lenses but since then the world has gone digital and I can't blame people for wanting digital images.
Now, my big question is which Nikon or Fuji should I get and which lenses?
I was thinking for the wedding kit I'd need something in the range 16-35, 28-75, 70-200 or 18-50 and 50-150 or maybe 18-80 and 70-200.
Obviously VR might be very useful since it's a candle lit wedding.
I would be interested if there's an AA option that'll allow me to run everything from AA batteries. Purely because in an emergency they're so easily available.
As for image quality I need the lattitude of RAW but am very intreagued by the lattitude offered by Fuji's Super CCD.
#1. "RE: Wedding and general use camera" | In response to Reply # 0Tue 06-Mar-07 01:21 PM
It was an odd coincidence that I bumped into this posting as I’m selling both my Nikon film cameras but didn’t want to leave Nikonians forums I like this place.
Anyway, we can’t not acknowledge that there are other digital pro or pro-sumer cameras on the market, if we did that’d be like sticking our heads in the sand.
Canon’s XT will do a great job of your wedding if you learn how to use it and have better then some entry level consumer type or “kit” lens.
I shoot Canon, Nikon’s, Pentax, Hasselblad, Agfa and Graphic before leaving the wedding scene it wasn’t uncommon for me to use three different manufactures equipment during a single wedding.
What I’m saying is know your equipment.
As I said I’m selling both my Nikon cameras to purchase Fujifilm’s “new” S5 Pro and if you are bound and bent to change cameras this to me is the most logical choice if you already have Nikon lenses manual or auto.
For my type of shooting though I will keep my Canon gear also, as one digital will not cover my full venue, meaning there isn’t one digital camera that will cover all shooting styles.
Most pro shooters want a back up camera to be like the main camera but in my case shooting between Canon and Nikon doesn’t present a problem and in all case makes me think not point and shoot.
Robert in Canada
#2. "RE: Wedding and general use camera" | In response to Reply # 1Tue 06-Mar-07 06:02 PM
What turns me off about the XT is several things.
The first - I'm never quite sure whether it has actually focussed correctly.
The second - no built-in AF illuminator to ensure correct focus.
The third - the tiny viewfinder is hard to use - especially in low light.
The fourth - the control layout of turning a thumb wheel for aperture and the pressing a button and turning the same thumb wheel for shutter speed doesn't really work for me as I need to be able to do both simultaneously so that I can advance aperture while retarding shutter speed or vice versa.
Essentially the XT is an interchangeable lens point and shoot compact. Sadly, as I don't see an AF illuminator on any Canon body I cannot but assume that all Canon cameras are glorified P&S compacts.
What draws me to the S3 Pro is that it has the ability to take AA batteries and that it also allows me to shoot in JPEG. Quite honestly I prefer JPEG as it seems to be much more universal. DNG is fine but it's terribly proprietry and -like the numerous RAW formats- might not be available in the future. I think JPEG stands a better chance. Also it speeds up the workflow and I won't need to advance on Photoshop Elements 2.0
#3. "RE: Wedding and general use camera" | In response to Reply # 2Tue 06-Mar-07 07:02 PM
Wow, reading your reply makes me think you are using this XT on camera default and possibly in the “Basic Zone Shooting Mode” if so you have nothing more then a point and shooter.
Adding to this if a Nikon camera also supports this feature then by changing cameras isn’t going to solve your problem.
What you should be shooting in (in my opinion) is the “Creative Zone Modes” this would hold true with Nikon or Fujifilm S3 as you mentioned and the S5 Pro I’m seeking.
If you take your user manual to find the custom function number of the “Auto Focus Assist Beam” and turn it on this will greatly aid in your focusing problem.
Wow, I just find it hard to believe that there is no in focus indicator in this camera, when I’m back in the office I’ll run one through the gamut to see what’s up.
The view finder is small but it’s in relation to the APS size CMOS chip that’s in it so unless you are going into a full frame camera this is Kind-A-the norm.
Brightness may have something to do with the F4.5/5.6 lens you are using you think?
In the command functions you can change the sequence of use for the buttons and wheels on that camera.
Anyway I’m not trying to talk up the XT; it’s a matter of choice but if you purchase another Nikon or Hybrid study it and the function and get to know your camera.
All of my Canon film and digital camera’s past and present have and have had Auto Focus verification indicators.
Heck I have a lens adapter that allows me to use my Nikon Lenses on my Canon digital and even at that it gives me an in focus verification.
I wouldn’t lump ALL Canon cameras in one category cause my friend we both are talking about the two Top Guns on the market in a 35mm style DSLR camera.
We as the consumers are the beneficiaries of their massive technologies.
The learning curve for these cameras can be steep and may appear intimidating BUT no mater what name is on the wrapper it’s the guy behind the shutter that makes them tick.
Robert in Canada eh!
#4. "RE: Wedding and general use camera" | In response to Reply # 3Tue 06-Mar-07 08:18 PM
Ah I have been misunderstood. My fault for not being clear enough.
The Canon does have an in-focus lamp that lights green when focus has been achieved. The problem is that I can still get horribly out of focus photos when the lamp is green. I use the centre focus point exclusively.
I tend to use Manual, AP and SP modes almost exclusively. The last time I tried a scene mode, the results were terrible. I am used to using manual everything. When I use my Nikon FM, the flash calculations are done in my head, the aperture and shutter are controlled almost instantly by my left and right hands respectively. The only automatic thing is my motordrive. I can check and see focus instantly. I have full viewfinder information of aperture and shutter.
When I attempt to use a Canon XT, nothing is simple. I spend all my time trying to work out what the camera thinks it's doing and trying to make it do what I want instead of what it wants to do. The metering really sucks rocks. My FM cw-average meter was much more accurate and if you really know how to handle it, was almost as good as spot metering.
The metering points are somewhat vague and the AF points are pretty vague too. The display of where the camera will focus is not where it actually focusses. The focus points are very strange - even though I only use the central point.
The only thing the Canon has in its favour is the AA batteries in the BGE3 and its compact size. Despite the massive flaws, it's a great travel camera. As a working camera, it's utterly useless.
#5. "RE: Wedding and general use camera" | In response to Reply # 4Tue 06-Mar-07 09:37 PM
Perfect a person that actually uses a high tech auto everything camera in manual, shutter and aperture modes great, then you must have a dudder XT.
Course on the other hand if the camera just doesn’t fit nothing you do or I say is going to fix the problem.
Okay chuckle time, I once had a Canon EOS 3; great reviews beautiful camera functions up the wazoo focus points abound but after three months of sheer Hell I sold it.
What I bought was a Nikon F4e and just rocked and rolled with that puppy right out of the box, if it doesn’t fit you’ll get a mental block and it’ll never fit or work right.
Now I really got to check out the XT that’s sitting on the shelf in the office.
I’ve looked at the Nikon D200 which in Canada is less money then the Fujifilm S5 Pro but I’m very much interested in the technology Fujifilm uses in their CCD in this camera.
You mentioned weddings; well normally whites and digital are not compatible get the white in her dress and the Grooms men aren’t in blacks shades of gray maybe.
Anyway I’m looking at the S5 Pro for its ability with whites and blacks as I shoot icebergs, rolling surf, snow scenes and midnight blacks.
As a wedding camera I don’t think it can be matched with ether of Nikon or Canon’s flagship models.
Okay well cheers for now.
Robert in Canada
#6. "RE: Wedding and general use camera" | In response to Reply # 0
Being a candle lit wedding I'd also recommend a 1.4 or 1.8 lens. The 50 1.4, 50 1.8 come to mind. If the venue is going to be small you might want to consider a 35mm instead of a 50mm. The Fujis will definitely give you better high ISO than the Nikons. The S3 only takes AAs. The S5 and D200 have dedicated batteries but can also take AAs if you purchase the additional grip.
#7. "RE: Wedding and general use camera" | In response to Reply # 6Stitch Registered since 12th Jan 2006Thu 08-Mar-07 02:10 AM
The D200 cannot use the 5D Battery and vice versa. They're the same size. Same shape, but it won't work.
HOWEVER... you CAN mount a SB200 vertical grip onto the S5.
I only got a chance to shoot a few test shots with that S5, but the 2 functions I looked at were awesome. High ISO with lower noise than a D200, and the zoom in face function to give you instant zoom to check if your faces were in focus.
I will be using this camera over the next 2 weeks, and I'll post a follow up.