Hi all....I have gone through some of the posts about the Fuji S5 Pro.Some really informative and wonderful posts for sure.I have fairly concluded that S5 is best for wedding and potraits.Correct me if I am wrong.
Well the reason why I am writing this is am in middle of a dilemma. I was using D70 as well as a F80 for a long time. I decided to upgrade my DSLR and froze on the D200, which I have used for a while borrowing from a friend and I loved everything about that. But just when I was about to get one, I came to know about the S5. It has not been launced in India yet, probably in June its happening.
I am mainly into street photography, photo journalism and ocassionally nature and landscapes. Till now no wedding photography for me and also I am not sure if I will ever get into that.
So, keeping in mind the situtaion, what you guys suggest? Shall I go for a D200 or wait for sometime and get a S5? There is a price diffrence but that wont really pinch my pocket hard. I intend to buy a DSLR and use it for a really long time.
#1. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 0BJNicholls Charter MemberThu 10-May-07 12:48 PM
As a raw shooter, the S5 deals too much of a performance and file size hit for me to consider it over a D200. The D200 is the better all-around camera with better software options. The S5 offers one thing of interest to me - wide dynamic range. That's an attractive feature, but not compelling enough at the price/performance for me.
#2. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 0cheuwi Registered since 09th Nov 2005Thu 10-May-07 02:12 PM
Like yourself, I struggled between the 2 about a month ago...
I was also trying to find an upgrade to my D70. The D200 seems like the logical way to go as I can use my battery as well as my Nikon Capture software. Just then, the S5 became available in Canada and got me interested. I was interested because of the following reasons:
1. After shooting the D70 for almost 3 years, the thing that annoys me the most is the blown highlight. S5 DR seems to address that.
2. I feel the need to shot RAW mostly to have the ability to adjust the WB and to a lesser extend, exposure compensation. Other than that, I'd rather not to have to adjust each picture and then save them in JPEG for printing (yes, I am old fashion and still print my pictures and put it in an album) or sharing. The S5 reviews that read up till then seems to be very positive on those two things - WB and exposure.
3. I can still shot RAW if I choose to put up with the uncompressed 25MB file size with the free software that comes with the camera.
I eventually bought the S5 and I am very happy with it so far (2 weeks and 254 frames later). There is basically no learning curve coming from the D70 in using the camera. WB seems to be bang on. Exposure is good as well. DR comes through as I have anticipated. I see no need to shot RAW except in really critical situation that I just can't mess up or I know I want to tweak it.
Having said that, I find myself learning to adapt to shoot JPEG again is a bigger challenge - and a good one. I am a lot more careful with my exposure, composition (to avoid cropping JPEG), WB than before as I can't fallback on RAW to fix them.
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#3. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 2blackfeather Registered since 16th Apr 2006Thu 10-May-07 07:31 PM
...I have shot a D200 since they came out....incredible camera. It is my main, and D70s is my backup. I have tried the S5, and it shoots best in the "6 mpx." mode...therefore the D200 out resolves it. The exposures are good, but I get such great skin tones and color from my D200, the only reason I would want to get the S5 is high ISO performance in available light...to be used "sans" flash while my main is equipped with Metz flash. I am still studying the "opinions" of those who have bought it...and yes..it is an expensive "6 mpx." camera, but if you have a great collection of fine Nikkor glass it is worth looking into...but you cannot go wrong with the D200 at all.
#4. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 3Fri 11-May-07 09:47 AM
Thank you all...well I am more into the dilemma now To be frank I got a fetish for the Nikon tag on my camera...(I know its sounds more like a silly excuse)...so probably I am staying with the D200 unless and until I get a bad dream about it in middle of the night.
Haha I guess am mad enough now to tear up my hair
#5. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 4fundy Registered since 13th Nov 2002Sat 12-May-07 04:26 AM
I have had the D200 for 9 months and just now switch to the S5.
For street shooting I doubt you will see much of a difference. You might like the f2 film mode of the S5 as it really does look like fujicrome.
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#6. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 5Mon 14-May-07 03:55 AM
Thank you all....Well am not still out of my dilemma. Just wanted to know how good will be the S5 for landscape with Nikon 18-70 mm ED glass or maybe the Nikon 24 mm and 50 mm fixed?
#7. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 6crbirchenhall Registered since 17th Apr 2007Mon 14-May-07 04:18 AM
I am using both D200 and S5. I am happy with both. The D200 is faster but most landscape work I think you will like the S5 in F2 mode. I still use Velvia film and the S5 gives you that feel; furthermore the added dynamic range is helpful. I love cloudscapes where DR is important:
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#8. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 7fundy Registered since 13th Nov 2002Tue 15-May-07 12:36 AM
That is a nice shot, but you should be able to pull up the exposure in the land, making it much nicer.
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#9. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 0
i was in your position. in the end, i gave up both my d50 and d200 to buy the s5pro when it arrived in my country.
BIASED ALERT - the main reason i switched DSLR becos nikon (officially speaking, not rumour-mill) is not improving its CCD technology. no... i'm not talking abt full-frame. i'm talking abt noise control. of course, this is my biased opinion. so, dun need to flame me for it.
s5pro is wat d200 should have been. nothing beats fuji's jpgs straight out of cam. i am mainly a portrait shooter with the occasional landscapes. d200 does give lovely images - if i shot in NEF and post-process in NX. IMO, d200 jpgs simply cannot make it without post-processing. (biased alert again...) s5pro - turn to F1 mode, and i'm done. QED.
the various film modes work as advertised, the extra DR rocks especially for tricky lighting, the relative lack of noise at high ISO (compared to nikon) is amazing, and finally, the switch to using li-ion batts make this camera a keeper for me.
but, i must say s5pro is a very specialised camera. it is really meant for mainly portrait shooters (weddings included) and landscapes. it is really not a jack-of-all-trade camera like the d200. s5pro, while essentially a d200 body, the AF is a tad slower than the real d200. so, if u need fast AF, stick with the d200.
after 1000+ frames, i guess i won't be using a pure-nikon DSLR again, unless there's some major major changes to the CCD technology from sony. if anyone from nikon is reading, it's not the amount of MP but the quality of MP, people...
#10. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 9amitsharma Registered since 16th Jul 2004Fri 18-May-07 01:57 PM
I am in love with my S5. Its a little bit more expensive than the D200 but I dont mind paying for the wonderful Fuji sensor in it. In my humble opinion there is practically no reason for anyone to buy the D200 anymore. If you want the bigger body and the feel + the best skin tones available go for the S5. If you want the D200 IQ save your money and buy the D80. Together with the battery back the D80 feels just about right even in the hands of a pro. I can confirm to you that the D80 gives identical image quality as the D200. Thats cash you would save will get you better lenses later on.
But if you have the money pls buy yourself an S5 You will never regret it. Its not a slow camera as people say. In my opinion its fast because it makes your workflow faster by giving you amazing photos right from the start. Who here is a fan of tweaking every single frame on the PC? I would rather save my eyesight and go out to shoot more. Since I bought the S5 I havent shot in RAW simply because I didnt need to.
Yesterday I shot indorr nudes for a pregnant lady in just the window light. The picture came out silky smooth and noise free.I dare say that if an S6 ever comes out with a D2X body, I will never buy a Nikon body again.
#11. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 10Stitch Registered since 12th Jan 2006Tue 22-May-07 03:58 AM
If you shoot people, go with the S5.
The D200 is my main, but Fuji sponsored me for a little while with an S5. The S5 will be my next purchase. I know people are talking about shooting RAW is too slow with an S5. But I do fashion photography with fast turn-around for the most part, and my clients wouldn't know what to do with a RAW file if I handed it to them. They like jpegs, and the jpegs out of an S5 are so good, that I honestly don't feel the need to shoot RAW with it.
It depends what your likes and needs are. As far as out of the box, people shooting, I would go with an S5 anyday over my D200. However, when I shoot racing, I prefer the speed of the D200. When I shoot with the D200, I try to shoot RAW as much as I can, as I tend to adjust my images alot more with the D200 than I do out of the S5. But I agree above. With the S5, I don't need to shoot RAW. I only shoot RAW for assurance to be honest. Knowing I might need to salvage something I can't salvage with a jpeg.
#12. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 0
Keep in mind that Fuji is supposed to have atrocious service backup in India. Jindal, I think, are the nationwide Fuji reps. I have no personal experience, but two photolab/camera retailers who are friends thoroughly dissuaded me from buying a Fuji from THEM for that one reason.
#13. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 0
the D200 will give you more flexibility. from what i know, the fuji S5 excels in "in-studio photography" and set-up shots. however, i recommend the D200 because as you said, you take photo journalism and the S5 might be too slow for it. moreover, the D200's colors arent too bad either. it still gives great colors, accurate WB and its 5fps capability gives great flexibility for different photo situations.
#14. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 0
Would someone please post some photo that show comparative results of the S5 dynamic range (d200/s5 or dr-on/dr-off, etc) and comparative results of jpg skin tones. I find this discussion very intriguing. If you have an opportunity could you also post results for a range of skin tones? Thanks.
BTW, my compressed raw file from my D200 are 10MB. I take only compressed raw now. I was a firm believer in jpg. However, recent purchase of Adobe Lightroom changed all that. Now I hardly ever touch my files with a photo editor, just Lightroom. You can quickly adjust a photo for light balance, and color then apply that result to a range of photos taken under those conditions. It's completely changed the way I deal with DSLR results. Of course LightRoom is not camera specific, and this would apply equally to S5. The point is my results are now much more flexible.
It is still ISO, aperture and shutter speed, right?
It's still, ISO, aperture and shutter-speed, right?
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#15. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 14Aphex Registered since 30th Oct 2005Sat 09-Jun-07 05:28 AM
The S5 isn't the fastest camera around, but it is fast enough for most types of shooting. If you shoot with standard DR, you get 3 fps and a buffer of 24 RAW of 29 JPEG (Large 12MP Fine). WIth high DR you get 1,5 fps and a buffer of 10 RAW and 19 JPEG (Large 12MP Fine) of 73 JPEG (Medium 6MP Fine).
I do PJ work occassianly, and it sure is a suitable camera for that. It's a responsive camera, being based on the D200, with good AF, metering and response times. If you need speed and buffer, turn off the extra DR and you can hold the shutter release eight seconds at 3 fps. For most PJ work the normal DR isn't an issue.
For landscapes the high DR RAW mode is the best choice, and I can't think of a reason why you would need more than 1 fps and a large buffer for landscape.
I think this whole speed thing is highly overrated. It's definitely not a studio-only camera. Perhaps it is more demanding of the photographer, because you need to think about using the extra DR or not. I haven't got much time at the moment, but I'll post some examples of the extra DR when I have.
#16. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 15Dajuan Registered since 03rd Nov 2006Thu 28-Jun-07 06:42 PM
I've been doing a little reading on the S5 Pro in hopes of finding a Nikon mount DSLR w/ better high ISO IQ. I came across this article in Popular Photography & Imaging that contradicts other claims I've heard about the S5 having better low noise ISO performance than the D200 (my current rig).
Canon EOS 5D ($2,800, street, body only): Has full-frame imager for superior wide-angle capability with EF lenses, fine build quality, best resolution of 12MP DSLRs so far -- but it costs $900 more, and lacks built-in flash. The Fuji does better on noise, color accuracy, and dynamic range.
Nikon D200 ($1,340, street, body only): Same body, with Nikon imager and engine, offers higher burst rates and buffer capacity -- for $560 less. Test results are roughly on par; the Nikon has slightly better noise control, the Fuji better color accuracy and superior dynamic range controls."
Is this a typo? Or does the application of NR on the D200 provide a better image at high ISOs than the S5?
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#17. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 0
I hope this may helps:
Nikon D200 SLR Digital Camera – has an average expert rating of 88 (based on 21 expert sources).
Fuji FinePix S5 Pro Digital Camera – has an average expert rating of 89 (based on 14 expert sources).
There's not much difference between the two rating-wise, so a closer look at the reviews might help. Good luck.
#18. "RE: Classic dilemma : D200 or S5??" | In response to Reply # 17simpo two Registered since 17th Aug 2004Tue 07-Aug-07 07:19 PM
Been here before - and decided to stay with the D200.
The S5 just seemed to quirky and optimised for JPG. I want RAW for maximum flexibility - and proper compatibility with other Nikon kit (the recent post on the SB80 is a good example).
I see that the D200 is good for 8.2 stops of DR and even though most of my paid work is weddings, yes, I can deal with white dresses and a bit of sun by processing the files correctly. Capture One pulls amazing detail from shadows and midtones with no noise problems.