If D300 doesnt come out with manufacturing defects in the first batch, it will knock off every other camera available in the market. Not just Fuji but every other thing that can take pictures! Just look at the specs. Even the battery pack looks solid. IMHO the D300 might even outsell the D3 and Canon 1Ds MarkIII put together.
The S5 will still have the dynamic range advantage that makes it popular with a niche market of wedding photographers and folks who like Fujicolor jpegs. The D300 will kill the S5 everywhere else, but then the D200 is a lot better all around camera than the S5.
Fuji doesn't have to recoup much with the S5. They didn't produce a new sensor, they didn't do any exterior rework of the D200 body and the internal rework is minimal. They didn't invest in a new processing engine that would speed up performance and compress raw files to make it a quicker, more versatile camera. And by buying bodies from Nikon they've invested nothing in a camera system infrastructure of their own.
Fuji has always been a niche player and they seem to be quite happy with that.
Furthermore, Fujis have always had excellent noise control, and since the D300 is a higher pixel density camera then the D200, I would guess that even with the new noise reduction of the D300, the Fuji is still competitive in that market. My S2 beats my D100 in noise hands down, as well as D70s I have used, and is even competitive with my cousin's D50.
I think we should wait before judging how D300 handles skin tones and dynamic range. The D300 might do even a better job. It might be all specs and no preformance. Hopefully it preforms really well!!!!!! Claiming one camera is better or worse than the D300 before its released is silly.
"Claiming one camera is better or worse than the D300 before its released is silly."
I couldn't agree more. The S5 is a niche camera, I bought mine knowing that it was, paid the premium in price over the D200 and after owning it for 6 months I'm very happy in that niche.
As the old saying goes 'The proof of the pudding is in the eating'. If, and it is still a big if, when a production model of the D300 is shown to have both the dynamic range and low noise of the S5 at the same ISO rating with at least a 50% increase in definition then the case will be proven, until then the jury is still out.
I was seriously considering an S5 as a second body and just couldn't justify it based on the research I have seen,,. I know there are many positive reports of the Fuji's image qualities,,but the tests I have seen on Dynamic range didn't show a major difference in the S5 over the D200,,,perhaps a stop or maybe two,,.
Who knows what Nikon has come up with in regard to noise and Dynamic range on the D300 and the D3,,. Sooner or later a camera company is going to come through with something major on Dynamic Range,,perhaps the D lighting is the answer,,. I'm sure Nikon didn't put it on their top two "D"'s if it wasn't a strong feature,,. The D lighting display they had set up at the D3/D300 launch was said to have been pretty convincing,,.
I don't know, but I think the S5 is too little to late and too expensive. They came a while after the D200 flooded the market which hurt it's sales, and now after a short time Nikon will be flooding it again with the D300 hurting the S5's sales more. Well the Nikon D300 is a D2XS+ for $1800, quite an easy and logical decision for my wedding work..
Quote "I think the S5 is too little to late and too expensive"
I know prices in the US are different to those here in the UK, but at present the S5 is £950 and I expect that this will drop to £900 by early in 2008, if not before Christmas this year. The D300 is quoted at a list price of £1300 which will mean a launch price of £1200 or thereabouts, I don't see it being much lower than this as due to the interest generated I think the camera will be in short supply until the Spring of 2008. This will make the D300 25% more expensive than the S5.
The D300, and the D200, are much faster cameras than the S5, but I bought mine for it's unique features and dynamic range. As I said in an earlier post on this topic, if production models of the D300 are found to have the same dynamic range at the same ISO rating and 50% more definition than the S5 then the D300 will indeed severely damage the sales of the S5, but there will still be photographers like me who prefer the "look" of the S5's image output using the various photo modes available, instead of the "sharp edge high contrast" look that the mainstream camera makers all produce.
In my case I will be keeping my S5 and not buying a D300 for the reasons I have given above, however if Fuji were to produce a 9 + 9 Mp version of their sensor in a D300 body or my new dream camera, a 12 + 12 Mp version in a D3 body I would be beating on the bank managers door tomorrow.
Might just wait and see what the D300 sensor can do,,,they have everything else beat on paper and the image quality is still an unknown,,. With an increase in DR and better noise performance they may have the S5 beat in image quality as well,,.
Its hard to beleive that the D300 wont eat the S5 profit!!
I am not sure it will around long enough to have its sales affected by the D300. The D200 body will probably be soon discontinued and then the question will be what body will Fuji use? Maybe the D300??
"For the same price you get a LOT more with the D300 then the S5...what do you think?"
Last week, I went into a camera shop with a Nikon lens, a CompacFlash memory card, and a laptop computer. I took a used Fuji S5 off the shelf and a new Nikon D300 out of the box and took a few test shots. Both cameras performed well and felt good in my hands. However, I preferred the warmer images of the S5 to the cooler images of the D300. I walked out the store (after paying for it) with the S5.
Narsuitus, you have done exactly what I did last April, only then it was between the S5 and the D200, compared the look of the files from both cameras. For my purposes the S5 images were much better.
The original theme of this post has now been overtaken by events. At present here in the UK the D300 is selling for £1,200 and the S5 is selling for around £800. That makes a D300 50% more than a S5, for this 50% you get a camera which will give you a much higher frame rate, higher definition, a better review screen and files which are somewhat cold and clinically accurate.
None of the advantages in the previous paragraph are of overriding interest to me, what does interest me is that I did a set of studio portraits of a friend's son, wife and children before Christmas. I used setting F1 Fine JPEG and got a set of files from the camera that could be printed with no post processing and was told that the naturalness of the colour and tonality was the best they had seen.
As I said in a previous post; the S5 is a niche camera, but I am very happy in that niche.
I hope that Fuji will persevere in providing a digital SLR which does not follow the herd, my dream camera is a Fuji S(X) based on a D300 with a 10 + 10 Mp sensor, especially now that I have just got a Voigtlander Nokton 58 mm f1.4 lens.