a small camera, and i mean REAL small
i'm looking for a small 35mm camera that i can carry anywhere. much like a point and shoot but with the flexibility and controls of an SLR.
sometimes in life, even with all the nice camera gear you have, its nice to go somewhere without exactly lugging around all your equipment just to take photographs and have a vacation at the same time.
i am thinking of buying a Rollei 35.
will this little thing do?
#1. "RE: a small camera, and i mean REAL small" | In response to Reply # 0jwb Basic MemberTue 18-Jun-02 01:59 PM
Rollei 35s are great little cameras. Do they still make them? Be aware of the different models - the lenses were different. Some of the lenses were fantastic, others were just OK. Other options would be:
- I don't know if they have all the manual control ability, but the Olympus Stylus Epic and Yashica T4 are highly regarded. Both are fairly inexpensive - $100 to $150 i think.
- A Contax T3 (or a used T2) is a whole different price game ($500 to $600, I think) but they're great. Manual controls, titanium body, and Zeiss glass.
P.S. Here's a few links on the Rollei 35
Body versions, specs, history, etc.
A great review by our own dearly departed Merlin
An exhaustive page about the 35 can be found on this website
#3. "RE: a small camera, and i mean REAL small" | In response to Reply # 0f8bthere Basic MemberWed 19-Jun-02 01:58 PM
I use a Minox ML. It is a 35mm camera that is about as small a camera that they could wrap around a roll of film with an opening to expose each frame.
The camera is a "draw-bridge" design (you pull down the hinged door and the lens comes out) and is mostly a hands-on design. You really have to understand many things to use it effectively, but for control freaks, it is great.
Film speed is manual- There is no DX code and you have to change the film speed if you change to a different film. The advantage is that you can trick the meter by setting the "wrong" film speed.
Focus is manual- Additionally, there is no focus confomation. You can use zone focusing with the DOF marks on the lens, or just guestimate the distance and set the lens to that distance.
The lens is a very sharp 35mm f/2.8- This allows for some focusing error due to the DOF of the lens. The lens has manual aperture control, and good DOF marks, so setting a zone is easy and in most situations no problem.
Exposure is auto- This camera has aperture priority and program. I use aperture priority mostly so I can control the DOF and assure focus. Being a manual focus camera, it is easy to tilt the camera to an average surface, like grass, set the exposure and lock it by holding the shutter button and re-compose for the picture. I get perfect slided with this camera using this technique. With some auto focus P&S cameras, this would not work due to the camera focusing on the grass during the substitute reading.
The film advance and rewind is manual. Film loading is quite old fashion with the back of the camera being removed to facilitate the process. After a couple of rolls, it is no problem.
Flash- The camera has an old fashioned hot shoe. Intheory, you could use any flash, but thecamera is tiny, so practically a small flash would be best.
Size- This camera is literally the size of a pack of cigarettes. There is no excuse for not always having it with you. Shooting some ISO 400 speed film will allow a small aperture for focusing a deep zone. This camera gets great shots when a "real camera" is not welcome or desirable.
I would really recommend that you NOT buy this camera sight unseen. It is not for everyone, (no insult intended, just a fact), and if you don't now use you Nikon on manual often enough to understand zone-focusing and substitute exposure readings, then many of the advantages of this camera would be lost. Again, for control freaks, it is a great camera.
#4. "RE: a small camera, and i mean REAL small" | In response to Reply # 0BJNicholls Charter MemberWed 19-Jun-02 02:20 PM
There are some good point and shoot cameras, but you really ask for the impossible.
Nothing offers the flexibility of an SLR except an SLR, at least if you define flexibility in terms of available optics and accessories for all sorts of photographic tasks.
If it needs to be shirt pocket sized, you'll have to compromise. My compromise camera for that purpose is the Olympus Stylus Epic. It has a fine lens that's faster, sharper and much less prone to flare than the zoom P&S cameras. It has a spot meter that gives you a degree of control over exposure. It's cheap, water resistant and tiny. It will take high quality images but within the envelope of a fixed 35mm lens, no full manual controls, no TTL viewing, no way to use filters, etc.
Here's an option you might think about. Look at an N65 or N55 body with a compact lens like the pancake 45mm 2.8 lens. This would be very flexible, you could use other lenses if the situation called for it, but it would also be very light and compact (for an SLR). It would be more affordable and similar in size and weight to the smaller interchangeable lens rangefinder cameras that would be another approach to getting a flexible camera.
#5. "RE: a small camera, and i mean REAL small" | In response to Reply # 0dclarhorn Nikonian since 31st Mar 2002Sun 23-Jun-02 10:10 AM
Here's another idea. I got my start in photography with Konica products. At the time, Konica was a highly respected slr manufacturer who pioneered many advances in slrs.
One of their last models was the Konica TC-X, one of the first all plastic slr bodies. As it turns out, this small, lightweight plastic camera is one tough little cookie. I know because I have one. Put on the very sharp and tiny Konica Hexanon 40mm pancake lens and it's about the size of a point and shoot.
The Konica TC-X offers shutter-priority exposure as well as metered manual. While it is a basic, no-frills camera, it gives you all the functionality of an slr...interchangeable lenses, shutter speeds from 1/8 to 1/1000, plus bulb, and a hot shoe. And aside from the plastic body, it was one of the first slrs to offer DX coding to automatically read the ASA speed on your film. The other thing that I think makes it great for traveling is the thing operates on 1 very easy to get AAA battery!
To tell you the truth, with this camera and the renown Hexanon lenses, my results are every bit as good as those with my much more expensive Nikon equipment. You can find the camera and lens on ebay for pretty cheap. Hope this helps. Good luck.
#6. "RE: a small camera, and i mean REAL small" | In response to Reply # 5nice locally Registered since 05th Jul 2002Fri 05-Jul-02 04:01 PM
The Ricoh Gr1 is great. Small thin and light, but all metal. Great 28mm wide lens with aperture priority control. Auto-focus, but with some manual overrides. I love mine; it goes everywhere with me
#7. "RE: a small camera, and i mean REAL small" | In response to Reply # 6T42 Basic MemberSun 14-Jul-02 02:17 AM
Greetings, fellow Nikonians.
Fascinating thread here. I wonder if any of you thought of the Olympus Pen F or Olympus Pen FT. It's one of those cameras I wanted way back when but never got. It is a very small half frame SLR which supports interchangeable lenses.
It shows up on eBay from time to time. I would guess that with modern films and scanning it might have some potential. Also, on the road, a roll of film would go 72 frames. Heavenly! Bob Shell (<Shutterbug Magazine) recently praised the camera in one of his websites.
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#8. "RE: a small camera, and i mean REAL small" | In response to Reply # 7ziggy7 Registered since 31st Oct 2008Sat 08-May-10 12:42 AM
Don't overlook the Pentax Super Program (silver) & Super A (black). With the "pancake" 50MM 2.0 lens it is very small and has PASM modes. It also has TTL flash with the matching dedicated strobe. The Pentax MX is just as small and manual only. A decent example of either one can be had for around $100. When even the Pentax is too big, I carry the Olympus XA. It is a tiny 35MM MF rangefinder with a real good prime Zuiko lens. It is aperture priority only, but that gives you quite a bit of control. The photos blow away any pocket digital, IMHO. You can get a nice XA for under $100.
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#10. "RE: a small camera, and i mean REAL small" | In response to Reply # 0
I'm looking for a small 35mm camera that i can carry anywhere. much like a point and shoot but with the flexibility and controls of an SLR.
If you're looking at a Rollei 35, I also suggest trying a Canon GIII QL17. Canon sold a lot of these and deservedly so. (I even bought one for my college sweetheart!). As a result, they are readily available in the used market for reasonable prices.
Unfortunately, both the Canon and Rollei took PX625 batteries, which are no longer available due to environmental concerns. None of the substitutes are ideal -- either they provide the wrong voltage (alkaline or silver-oxide), have a limited useful life in the camera (zinc-air), or use an adapter with a less powerful battery (CrisCam).
I decided to go a different route for my "car camera." It's a Nikon Pronea S APS SLR. While it doesn't offer full manual mode, it has interchangeable lenses and even a small pop-up flash in a very lightweight and compact package. But the APS film is a big downside. It's a smaller negative than 35mm, becoming increasingly hard to find, and could be discontinued at almost any time. It's also more expensive to get processed.
Once or twice a year, I also break out a Pentax 110 SLR just for fun. It's even smaller, but all the comments about APS film apply doubly to 110.
Have fun with your search!
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