Practical Photography (PP) is very entertaining but imho their "tests" are hardly high tech. After their former technical editor (D. Lezano) left for Photography Monthly a year ago a strong inkling towards Canon (and I usually "defend" Canon gear on this site) has become more evident. They re-run tests of the same equipment frequently but still there is no consistency in these tests (apart from Canon coming out top). When I asked the editor, W. Cheung, why they e.g. do not compare combos on equal terms he (swiftly) replied they did not have the space. It is not a bad read, not at all, but I think there are much better magazines available when it comes to test.
Mwagner, sorry for derailing your fine thread, I have just been slightly irritated with them for the last couple of months and my subscription runs for more than a year...
Just to add to this thread in case any editors are reading. When is the last time you felt that a magazine review for a camera product might say don't buy it? How can everything reviewed get at least 8 out of 10 or 80%+. In other words not everything can be good/great; isn't something average?. I was reading a Bike magazine yesterday that said the wheel was a rediculous price at $2500 US. I appreciated that.
Back to the thread. It seems that this comparison would be obvious. I wonder why no US mags have done it yet? l8r, Guy
I picked up Practical Photography at the local Barnes & Noble magazine stand. I thought the review was quite well done compared to the typical regurgitated press release stuff that the US mags do. I thought the author was straightforward about his biases and the testing, while not highly technical, was quite to the point for what most potential buyers want to know. As much as I might be willing to shoot RAW to work intimately with an image, that workflow really negates the advantage of immediacy that digital offers for many potential buyers.
The review comes up with nearly identical scores for both cameras. The D100 scores for its more tightly integrated design, the S2 for its additional features. The D100 is faulted for its tendency to underexpose in many lighting situations, the S2 is faulted for its two battery system complexity. Although the author liked the D100 control layout, I think I tend to agree with Thom Hogan who finds merit to the S2 controls. http://www.bythom.com/s2d100.htm
The Fuji, surprisingly, took a hit for its color balance on skin tones, while the Nikon was thought weaker for landscape shooting. Image quality is very close according to this test.
I wish the test pointed out some decisive factor that would help me choose between the cameras, but instead it reinforced how close the two cameras are.
Thanks for the comments and the Thom Hogan link... I am now in the market to purchase either the D100 or the S2 (mainly for portrait work). I have some concerns.
D100; Minus: the tendancy to underexpose Minus: more post processing needed Minus: No PC Sync Minus: ISO 200 Minus: a DX flash is needed for TTL Plus: Base Price - $1999USD Plus: Its a Nikon!
S2; Plus: Color/Contrast are good! Plus: Less post processing Plus: PC Sync Terminal Plus: ISO 100 Plus: the SB-28 will work (TTL) Minus: Base Price$2399USD Plus: its a Nikon!
My main concern after hearing the price difference is Image Quality. I am leaning toward the Fuji S2, but my heart says D100. I think my final decision is going to be; who so ever has one in stock first! That will be my deciding factor!
Question: will I be able to post images to this site if taken with a Fuji FinePix S2 Pro and Nikon Lenses???
I factor into the price diffential that the Nikon comes with a rechargeable battery, the Fuji comes with disposables. I have a number of NiMH AA cells, but the price of at least one set and a charger should be added to the S2 price. Although the Nikon battery is dedicated, I really prefer being able to quickly change one battery block than having to orient and install a set of AA cells.
On price alone, I'd rule out the S2 except for the fact that it will work with my existing Speedlights. The cost and hassle of updating my SB-28 and SB-22s keeps the Fuji in the running.
When/if I shoot something worthy with my Linhof view camera using Nikon lenses, I wouldn't think twice about posting here.
if you take into account what you get with each camera bundle. With the S2 you get the RAW conversion software and AC adapter. Not so with the D100. Add in those extras and the price is about the same. Note that you will _need_ the AC adapter for the D100 to clean the CCD.
In places outside of the US, the D100 and S2 are about the same price, because the S2 is not bundled with the above.
Chances are that the D100 will come into stock first, since it looks like Nikon is cranking them out pretty fast.
But Bibble or Qimage will work as well or better than Nikon's software for RAW conversion at lower prices. Bibble is $100, Qimage is $35. It looks like Nikon used a dedicated connector for the AC adapter so instead of $25 for a Digipower unit like I use on my Coolpix, it will require an EH-5 AC Adapter that will set you back $80.
If you go with Bibble, that's $180. Subtract just under $40 for a set of Maha 1800 cells and charger from Thomas Distributing and the we're needing $140 to equal out the packages. That still leaves the Fuji $160 more than the D100. It might cost me a good part of that to sell and buy new Speedlights, so for me it's about a wash between the cameras. The Fuji would still require occasional expensive CR123 Lithium cells for the rest of the life of the camera. There is no rechargable in that size.
B&H is showing D100s in stock, S2s are out of stock.
I'm betting Nikon will do another firmware fix to the D100, so I'll hold off a while before making the final decision.
>Mwagner, sorry for derailing your fine thread, I have just >been slightly irritated with them for the last couple of >months and my subscription runs for more than a year... > >Karspoul
I do not believe that my intent was to champion ANY review that PP does....Nor did I intend to imply that their review was the "cat's meow" of all digital SLR reviews.....I was simply stating that the comparison was an "interesting" read....
I actually stopped placing any serious emphasis on ANY magazine's review some time ago. In fact, the only reason I read PP (and several others) is to read some columns. I also like some of the advice that some of the PP photographers give, like landscape, PJ, etc....
For reviews, I place a HIGH level of trust in my fellow Nikonians, not some "reviewer" who is on a mag's payroll.....
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I think I have decided. I will get either a D100 or the S . Actually I think I will just buy which ever is in stock when I have the money. Thanks for the info contained in the PP article; it still is not in at any of the bookstores in my area.
I hear your - am only slightly dissapointed with them and probably reacted too strongly... I do think that there are fairly unbiased mags around. The Swedish Foto for instance. But, as you are pointing out, they all trail this site!
Have a nice tour to MOAB all of you who are so lucky to go there!
#22. "RE: D100 and Fuji S2 Pro" | In response to Reply # 0
Fri 06-Sep-02 11:08 AM
I read that issue of PP twice. The review is fair and square but I think dpreview puts up a more comprehensive comparison.
Anyway as many say both cameras would make most users happy in RAW but I get a Fuji S2 instead because of its out-of-the-box quality especially in JPEG, which I use mostly. I do miss a vertical release, though.
PS A fresh set of 4 1700mAh Sanyo AA rechargeables run over 400 frames on a S2 with plenty of reviews. That's real amazing.