Well, I think I have narrowed my Tripod purchase down to the new Bogen 719B tripod with built in ball head. I like the compact folding size(20.5 inches), the somewhat lighter weight(3.7lbs), as well as the height(51 inches without center column). I do have a few reservations though that I would like some opinions on...
First off, the ball head (based on my ball head of choice, the Bogen 3413 ball head according to the information recieved from a Bogen Rep) is not removeable, so I would have to get the Bogen 3299 Quick Release adapter for quick release function. Will this make the head less stable or will it not make any difference?
Second, this 719B tripod has 4 section legs, rather than the more standard 3 section legs, wich allow for the smaller folded size of 20.5 inches, as well as maintaining the nice 51 inch max height. In generall will 4 section legs be less stable than the standard 3 section legs? or will the difference be negligible from a reputable brand such as Bogen?
Any comments or opinions would be appreciated...
#1. "RE: Head and Leg Stability issues..." | In response to Reply # 0BJNicholls Charter MemberFri 14-Jun-02 04:42 PM
Having a fixed head is a bad sign, even if this is a Manfrotto/Bogen product. I assume you are aware that Bogen markets this primarily for lightweight P&S digital cameras? The quick release adapter will add cost and weight - perhaps enough to equal a better tripod with a removable head.
4 section legs are more vibration prone than three sections, all other aspects being the same. The last leg section needs to be thinner and is therefore more flexy. The effect is worse the smaller and lighter the tripod since the leg sections are smaller diameter tubing to start with. The height of this tripod will be at the expense of springy, spindly legs.
If this is to be your only tripod for an SLR system, I'd advise you look higher on the product line. If this is just to have a light, small tripod for travel use it might be okay.
#2. "RE: Head and Leg Stability issues..." | In response to Reply # 1Fri 14-Jun-02 11:33 PM
Knowing that, what would you feel would be the better option as far as stability, the Bogen 3001 with the middle column extended slightly or the 719, with no middle column extension? I realize the 3001 is probably high enough for me, as I am 5'7 inches tall, but for equal comparison in hight, the 3001 would need the center column up a bit. You probably haven't used the 719 yourself to give a direct comparison, but knowing your tripod experience and always great advice, I wouldn't hesitate to trust your judgement or best guess.
I figure the 3001 is the closest in weight and folded size, albeit a tad heavier. The 3001/3413QR combo would only run me about $20 more over the 719/3299 QR adapter combo, so if that would be the sturdier route to go, I think I could justify the extra weight and lower hight.
Any idea if the middle column of the 3001 can be removed to lessen the weight even further for those times when weight is an issue, like hiking trips? I think the 3021 can do that, but is a bit more expensive, and definately heavier by a few lbs.
Thanks for the great advice... it is so hard to make these decisions with no camera shops in my area that carry any decent camera equipment... The closest thing to a good camera shop is Ritz Camera, and they only seem to carry Slik or Velbon, which I can find the same quality at Wal-mart.
#3. "RE: Head and Leg Stability issues..." | In response to Reply # 2jwenting Nikonian since 06th May 2002Sun 16-Jun-02 04:55 AM
The problem with a tripod is that you have conflicting demands.
Low weight will always mean less stability (almost by definition).
Maybe a carbon-fibre tripod will give good stability with low weight, but they cost a lot.
I use a Manfrotto 055 with 029 head myself. It's indeed a heavy beast and I wouldn't recommend hiking with it for more than a few hours (that's the 3021 in the US).
Theo 190 (3001) is an excellent alternative. Indeed heavier than what you have in mind now, it adds stability and a removable head (and is a bit taller too I think).
Ideal would probably be the 441 (3443) carbon fibre tripod but that's one expensive beast.
any size is fullframe for a given definition of frame
#4. "RE: Head and Leg Stability issues..." | In response to Reply # 2BJNicholls Charter MemberSun 16-Jun-02 09:47 PM
Indeed, the 441 carbon would be great, but it is expensive by comparison. The 3001 is close to being the aluminum version of this tripod.
One of my tripods is the 3001BPRO and it works very well for a moderate SLR load. I have to extend the center column a couple of inches to get a good working height (5' 10"), but not so much that the column vibrates. Perhaps in windy conditions I'd work with the column down and crouch a little more. Remember to add the height of the head to the tripod's working height.
The integral quick release is a cleaner solution with one less attachment point to worry about keeping tight. I haven't used the Pro Ball, but it looks like a compact, light and inexpensive head that would work well with the 3001. The nice thing is that if you were attracted to another head for your tripod, you could always make the switch with th 3001.
The 3001 is well built and is a fine choice for a lightweight field tripod without going so light that the tripod works against you.
You'd certainly feel the difference carrying the 3021. This tripod would be better for only occasional duty on short hikes. It is bigger, heavier and more solid, but if you leave it in the trunk because of the heft, it won't do you any good.
#5. "RE: Head and Leg Stability issues..." | In response to Reply # 4Sun 16-Jun-02 10:20 PM
Thanks again BJ,
I had completely forgotton to add the height of the ball head in my height comparisons. The added 4 inches or so puts the height of the 3001/pro ball much closer to the 719B.
I had considered the 3021 as well, but the extra 2lbs and added compact length would indeed have me leaving it in the trunk more often than I would like.
The whole point of looking for a ligher weight, yet stable tripod, is so that I won't mind dragging it all over town with me, as well as for hiking/camping excursions. I am really going to start to try to carry the tripod around with me just about everywhere I can as I have been less than pleased with the sharpness of many of my photos, and the added weight would make it more of a hinderence than a help I am afraid. I think I am becomming more critical of my photos, and this seems like a logical place to start as far as improving sharpness. The tough part is definatley finding a lightweight/stable tripod for less than an arm and a leg .
Since the Carbon fibers are way out of the alloted funds I have for a tripod, I think the next best alternative would have to be the 3001/Pro-ball head. Looks like a good price to performace ratio there. Although it is a "tad" heavier than the 719B, I think you have pointed out that the benifits of the removeable head, 3 section legs, and better stability will certainly outweigh the added heft.
If I ever feel as if I outgrow the 3001, I can always keep the head, and move up to a heavier tripod leg set as well, withough having to purchase a new head as well. I would have to completely start from scratch again if I go with the 719.