I am getting ready to purchase a new tripod setup and would like to clear up a few things before proceeding. I’ve been reading the threads on this forum for about the last month and don’t think I’m repeating the same old questions, I apologize in advance if I am though.
I’m shooting with a D2x; largest lens I own is the 70-200 however I do rent up to the 200-400 on occasion and thus would like to support up to this size lens. I shoot mostly landscape / wildlife; and am cursed with being 6’4” tall… which essentially rules out the 1227/1228 series tripods for me as they are too short.
Now on to my questions:
1. I’m looking at either the 1325 or the 1327; the difference between them is the center column (which I wont use); hence get the 1325 correct? However in the tripod FAQ there is this comment about the 1327:
“The G1327 -detail at right- has been tested as having even better anti-vibration design and, although slightly heavier, very likely it should be preferred over the G1325 for professional work.”
Can anyone explain in more detail as to how it has better anti-vibration design? Is it worth it? I don’t mind paying the extra money if the 1327 is indeed superior to the 1325.
2. M10/M20 Ballhead? Obviously the M20 is recommended for the bigger lenses; is there any disadvantage to using the M20 with smaller lenses (17-35, 70-200, etc)? Once again, I don’t mind the extra weight and I only want to purchase one ball head. I plan on going with the M20 unless I hear back that its harder to use than the M10 with the smaller lenses; I’m hoping this isn’t the case. Quick release version… if I want to control the head with my left hand I get the left hand version correct?
3. TB-30 Vibration plate. How do these work? Do they make that much of a difference? I haven’t been able to dig up much information on these; any insight would be appreciated.
4. Titanium spikes TS-327. Sounds like this is a permanent modification to the tripod; which I’ll surely find beneficial outdoors. Do people just not use these indoors or are they not damaging to hardwood floors, etc? Are there rubber caps available?
Thank in advance for assistance on these questions. I have only recently discovered Nikonians.org and I’m blown away by how much useful information is contained here.
#1. "RE: "Super Gitzo" Tripod Questions" | In response to Reply # 0N80 Charter MemberFri 11-Nov-05 06:15 PM
I can't help you with much of this, but I can tell you that there should be no disadvantage whatsoever in terms of using the M20 with smaller lens and would suggest that the M20 would be perfect for all your described needs, with the exception that a gimbal type head is often recommended with big lenses like the 200-400.
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#2. "RE: "Super Gitzo" Tripod Questions" | In response to Reply # 0Photo_Phil Nikonian since 18th Sep 2002Sat 12-Nov-05 12:16 AM
1. I shoot on a 1325 and a Markins M20. I guess that the idea of the 1327 is a lower vibration leg set stems from a different center mount casting. It seems that the hinge area has a thicker web design. As to weather this will show in photos using both a 1325 and 1327 I do not know.
2. Go for the M20. Your tripod system is only as strong as its weakest link. If you go with a 3 series leg set then equal that with a M20. If you go for "big glass" then you will be ready with your tripod.
3.There was more information on this at the Markins site but I do not see it now.
4.Don't know about this.
#3. "RE:" | In response to Reply # 0markwatts Nikonian since 16th Nov 2004Sat 12-Nov-05 12:27 AM
I am only 182cm so the 1227 is fine for me.
I cannot answer all your questions but can assure you that the titanium spikes have plastic hemispheres on a thread which unscrew down to cover the tip of the spike. Useful in the suitcase as well as on hardwood floors.
I have the M10 (my largest lens is the 70-200) and am very content with it's quality and performance. Speaking as an engineer I am not convinced the vibration plate adds much to the equation but it looks good (I use it). It is structurally 'stiff' and so any induced vibration should be transmitted directly through it with little loss of energy. Certainly it is better than the central column and it provides support across the full area of the base of the ballhead, but there is no trick to it. However, it makes for a very neat base to the ballhead. I may be missing the point.
I would suggest you buy the neoprene bag as well. I certainly feel more comfortable handling the tripod with it on the head.
I am sure you will be delighted with your purchases.
#4. "RE:" | In response to Reply # 0jrp Charter MemberSat 12-Nov-05 12:49 AM
>“The G1327 -detail at right- has been tested as having even
>better anti-vibration design and, although slightly heavier,
>very likely it should be preferred over the G1325 for
>1. Can anyone explain in more detail as to how it has better
>anti-vibration design? Is it worth it? I don’t mind paying
>the extra money if the 1327 is indeed superior to the 1325.
This is a comment made to me personally by Mr. Mah, designer and manufacturer of the Markins ball heads and accessories, after finishing the review of a series of tests performed by the Advanced Studies in Mechanical Engineering Department of the University of Seoul.
The replacement of the center column of the G1327 with a TB-30 tripod plate improves vibration dampening, despite its relatively small mass. It becomes most important when with long lenses.
The published results (pdf file) of the tests never made a specific reference to the G1325-G1327 comparison, and when we met this last October I did not had the mind to ask him about it; we were busy planning for the future. Sorry. But, I have learned to trust his remarkable engineering knowledge. My partner Bo has now the G1327 with TB-30 and this will be my next purchase too.
>2. M10/M20 Ballhead? Obviously the M20 is recommended for
>the bigger lenses; is there any disadvantage to using the
>M20 with smaller lenses (17-35, 70-200, etc)?
No disadvantage whatsoever. On the contrary, you'll be ready for anything. And will work great with a Wimberley Sidekick if you need to do some birding.
>3. TB-30 Vibration plate. How do these work? Do they make
>that much of a difference? I haven’t been able to dig up
>much information on these; any insight would be appreciated.
They make quite a difference as you may see in the above mentioned report.
>4. Titanium spikes TS-327. Sounds like this is a permanent
>modification to the tripod; which I’ll surely find
>beneficial outdoors. Do people just not use these indoors
>or are they not damaging to hardwood floors, etc? Are there
>rubber caps available?
All you need to do is melt the glue of the original rubber leg tips, clean the isnide for residue and install the new spikes with some strong glue. Rubber cups will need to be found at a warehouse store.
>Thank in advance for assistance on these questions. I have
>only recently discovered Nikonians.org and I’m blown away by
>how much useful information is contained here.
Thank you for your kind remarks. The collective knowledge of Nikonians is quite a treasure.
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#5. "RE: "Super Gitzo" Tripod Questions" | In response to Reply # 0hrbaan Registered since 29th Oct 2005Sat 12-Nov-05 10:55 AM
I had about the same questions before I purchased my setup.
1. Go for the G1325, it comes with a level bubble, the G1327 doesn't. Otherwise they are virtually the same as far as I can tell.
2. I went for the M20, works great even with lighter lenses (my heaviest currently is th 17-55DX, hope to get a 80-400VR or similar)
3. If you go for the G1325 you won't need the plate (I don't even think it fits); the 1325 has it own.
4. Don't know about the spikes but as I actually went for the G1325V I don't need them; the G1325V is the same as the G1325 but comes with an extra video bowl (ditch that unless you plan to add a special video head) and spiked feet (!). Please note that in the Netherlands the G1325V seems to be cheaper than the G1325 (about €80) so that's why I got that one
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#6. "RE:" | In response to Reply # 0Wild Fisch Registered since 29th Oct 2005Sun 13-Nov-05 12:00 AM
I have the G1327 with TB-30 and M20 ballhead and a Kirk SideKick and I’m 6’3” and it’s perfect for wildlife. I am always surprised by how strong but light this set-up is.
I have recently learned that there is an important (and for me significant) difference between the G1325 and the G1327.
The only similarity to the G1325 is that they have the same legs (same part numbers).
The G1325 normally comes with a top plate and is a true system tripod, meaning that you can interchange flat plates, video bowls, and rapid or geared columns.
With the G1327, you are stuck with the rapid column as it is not a part of the Gitzo “system”. It has a different top plate set-up.
However, The TB-30 will only fit on the G1327 as it needs to screw onto the mount for the tightening screw for the rapid column.
I purchased my set-up for all the right reasons, but I though that I could fit a geared column later on to use for my macro work. Wrong. I am now looking to purchase a dedicated macro tripod or change to the G1325 system tripod, or buy the G1325 top plate system unit to fit a geared column.
My set-up might be for sale soon if you’re interested.
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