Concert-photography with SB-28
I often photograph concerts, and have recently begun using the Sb-28 with my F-90x, but still haven´t been able to get good overall results. Using the TTL-setting is not an option, since a spotlight from stage easily makes the picture underexposed, and using the manual setting just isn´t possible. To much time adjusting the distance-scale on the flash... My question, is there a setting on this flash were the flash only uses the distance from camera to subject-information and the chosen aperture on the camera when calculating for the right flash exposure? I want to be able to expose the "background" whatever way I want, without worrying about the flash being tricked by bright (or sometimes dim) stagelight...
#1. "RE: Concert-photography with SB-28" | In response to Reply # 0jrp Charter MemberMon 17-Dec-01 10:10 PM
of the concert stage in perfect exposure since it is subjected to high contrasting spotlights.
In the situation you described, yes, you can have the background well exposed but the area lit by the spotlight will be overexposed.
I had very good results with a long tele lens, allowing me to choose a small area; unless the stage is uniformly lit, which seldom is.
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#2. "RE: Concert-photography with SB-28" | In response to Reply # 0WingSpan Basic MemberMon 17-Dec-01 11:36 PM
Take a look at this web site. It gives a ton of useful information to solve exactly the problems you are dealing with. (And it's worth looking at just for the really great concert photos!)
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#3. "RE: Concert-photography with SB-28" | In response to Reply # 2Jonny_Lindh Basic MemberTue 18-Dec-01 09:06 AM
I´ve read this article before, and true, it has lots of tips usefull for me, but it really doesn´t cover the area of flash-photography that much. My question is quite simple really; Is there a setting on the flash (other than the fully manual) where it doesn´t measure the light at all, but only takes the aperture chosen and distance to subject in consideration? Thanks
#4. "RE: Concert-photography with SB-28" | In response to Reply # 3benjaminhaworth Basic MemberTue 18-Dec-01 07:15 PM
Set the flash to f8 (if with ASA 100 film). Set the F80 to Aperture Priority mode and put it on f8. Set the flash mode (using the camera's flash mode button) to 'slow-sync'. This will give a longish exposure to absorb the ambient lighting (albeit a bit wobbly due to camera shake) and the burst of flash will be sufficient to illuminate and 'freeze' the subject sharply without over-exposing it. Try to keep fairly still during the longish exposure for minimal wobbly light streaking or move lots if you want exciting mega-wobbly streaky light trails flying everywhere
!!This only works when you are fairly near the subject (no further than 15 feet ideally) and if you like a bit of atmospheric blurry bits and streaky light effects (but with a well exposed and sharp main subject) - like pics in rock music magazines!!
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#5. "RE: Concert-photography with SB-28" | In response to Reply # 3JM Registered since 01st Mar 2007Tue 18-Dec-01 08:01 PM
If I understand your request correctly what you need is what is called auto flash usually done with a sensor for the flash only. The old Vivitar 283 has a sensor on it (that can be remotely mounted on the camera while flash is off camera to get proper light at the film.
This method of control might also be fooled if 'blinded' by a head-on spot.
#6. "RE: Concert-photography with SB-28" | In response to Reply # 0
If I'm totally in the weeds, someone tell me - I genuinely have tried to do exactly what I think this poster wanted and can't figure it out.
In my perfect world , in the flash DISTANCE mode the camera with a distance savy lens (D) could know exactly where you focused & the know distance, pass that distance data to the flash - which would then put out the exact right amount of flash based on just that distance - and do a dump with no additional TTL style readback games. It wouldn't care what was reflected back - it would work on GN-distance-fstop style info soley, and only tell you if it was too close or too far.
Doesn't exist in that pure fashion from my experience with the SB-28
You can however have the SB-28 flash work on its own using the 'A' mode - which is non-ttl since the flash's sensor does it all. This is the way the first thyristor flashes worked, you put in an f-stop it delivered power based on what got reflected back to it on the front of the flash. Still available at this late date.
The 'A'mode Might work at a concert if the first thing it's sensor angle saw was the performer you wanted lit, if something non-essential closer is "seen" reflecting - you're underexposed...
I know on an f100 you can have SPOT metering work in TTL mode - and it does pretty well actually and might work for you - I do not know the 90 and if it even has that option. You could get pretty creative with the spots (5 of them) on an F100 and cover a concert with a little concentration.
The bigger the subject in the viewfinder, the easier it is to use the CW metering and ttl (with maybe some compensation in camera or flash).
While I love the sb-28 and matrix for fill and general light-it-up stuff - I was disappointed to find that the seemingly simple intelligence to do PURE distance gather and dumping of the flash for it wasn't there in the current generation of cameras.
And I wish you well in your concert endeavors.
And while I'm on a roll... there are 2 other things I can't believe don't exist in equipment on the market now either , although not related to flashes -
1) auto-hyperfocal calculation on the body with a D lens (I give an f-stop and it pops to that max hyperfocal focus point - no charts involved....)
2) Multi-point-DOF - I mark 2 or more focus points in sequence and it chooses an f-stop and sets the lens focus point for it to all be in acceptable focus. I'd use this all the time... to fix situations where people/things are in different planes for example. It would make controlling background/foreground noise much more simple.
But - hey - Life's still grand and we got a lot of blessings - like this website to enjoy & learn from.