D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?
I've been using my D50 since Jan '06 and I'm ready to upgrade. Up until a few days ago I thought I would get myself the D300, but after seeing the spec's on the D90 I think I might lean towards that.
I passed when the D80 was released, but now I'm ready.
Anyone else thinking or have already upgraded.
What were or will be your reasons behind it?
I'm looking for faster frames per second and more focus points. I'm also looking forward to an extra command dial and the back lit top LCD. And I'm really looking forward to getting a real full functional battery grip and wired remote shutter release.
High ISO performance on the D50 and D40 is pretty good, but the initial looks I've seen from the D90 are excellent (on par with the D300). Based on my own personal shooting I don't think I need all the extra features of the D300 along with the higher price tag.
Before I got the D50 I thought the D70s was going to be my camera, but looking at things realistically and financially I found that the D50 was enough for me to get into the Nikon dSLR world. Now that I've grown with my D50 and realize what I now need, I believe that the D90 is going to be a better fit for my needs.
The D50 has served me well for almost 16,000 images and I've have learned so much about photography and my shooting habits using the camera. I plan on keeping it as a backup as I know it will always perform well. Its been a great ride.
My D50 Gallery:
My Disney World Gallery (2006 & 2007 trips all with Nikon D50)
D50 / 18-135mm / 50mm f/1.8 / 70-210mm f/4 / 70-300mm VR / Sigma 30mm f/1.4 / Tamron 90mm f/2.8 Macro
#1. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 0Floridian Nikonian since 11th Feb 2007Fri 29-Aug-08 01:43 AM
I'm a D50 owner who upgraded to the D300 when it came out. For my shooting I didn't see much additional benefit in the D80 or D200, but the high ISO performance of the D300, the faster continuous shooting rate, and the improved autofocus (though I didn't really have focus issues with the D50) won me over. I shoot a lot of high school basketball, and the D300 really helps in dimly-lit gyms.
Now the D90 appears to give the same low-light advantage. The continuous shooting rate is not quite as good, but it costs less, and has what looks to be a fun feature in the movie capability. So, if I didn't already have a D300 I could see the attractiveness of a D90.
I also found the idea of D-lighting attractive, but in reality I never use it. I also never use live view. But others use and like those features. So you really need to look at your own personal shooting to see what, if any, benefits you'd get from upgrading. I will say that for 95% of situations you can get just as good a photo from a D50 as a D300.
I found the 2.5 frames per second too slow for continuous shooting on the D50. The shot I wanted was too often between two that I got. The 6 fps rate of the D300 (I don't have the grip) is fast enough. I'm not sure how the 4.5 fps of the D90 would work.
Also, I haven't found 12 mp to be much of an advantage over 6, even in large prints. But if you crop a lot, there's an obvious advantage here.
While the D300 has lots of improvements over the D50, the big one for me is its high ISO performance, and it looks like you get that same advantage in the D90. So, if that would help you, a D90 looks like a tempting upgrade. If you want a more rugged body, better autofocus, a faster continuous frame rate, more accessible control of the camera's parameters, then the D300 looks good. If you want the movie capability, the D90 is the answer.
I did upgrade last year, and I'm very happy with my D300. If I didn't have it, if I didn't want to spend that much, it looks like you can get the same quality photograph out of a D90. I didn't think the D80/D200 would improve my photos enough to upgrade from my D50, but I think the D90/D300 is a larger step, and one that I thought was worth taking.
#3. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 1Jarik Registered since 19th Jul 2007Fri 29-Aug-08 04:51 AM | edited Fri 29-Aug-08 04:52 AM by Jarik
Yes, I plan to upgrade from a D40 to a D90 in the next few weeks as the D90 becomes available. I've had my D40 for a little over a year now and although I haven't outgrown it completely, it just doesn't offer everything I need in a digital SLR. This includes the ability to AutoFocus with non-AF-S lenses, built-in wireless CLS capabilities, and a larger mega-pixel count. Coming from the D40, where AF on non-motorized lenses isn't possible, I wanted a more advanced body that would not only AF with my 50mm 1.8, but also have the other features I was in need of.
So last month I was seriously considering upgrading to a D80, as it pretty much had everything I was looking for (built-in AF motor, CLS, 10+ MP). But while performing research on the D80, I came to find out that it performs extremely poor in low-light situations (amp noise). This was an immediate turnoff as I like to shoot sports now and then. Several people advised me to wait for the D80 replacement instead. And what do you know? A few weeks later, the D90 is officially announced!
The D90 features everything I need in my next D-SLR upgrade, and then some. Based on the reviews and sample photos, it appears to perform well in low-light situations at high ISO. It'll AF with non-motorized lenses, has CLS capabilities, and is 12.3 MP (I tend to do a bit of cropping). That's all I really need. All the other goodies, such as D-Movie, are just bonuses.
Now the questions is, should I opt for the body only or body plus 18-105mm? Because I will be giving my significant other my D40 along with it's 18-55mm kit lens, I won't have any lens wider than 50mm, unless my AF Tamron 28-105mm f/4-5.6 will work with the D90? I'd love some input if possible. Here's my current gear:
- Nikon D40
- Nikon SB-800 Speedlight
- AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED
- AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G ED II
- AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D
- AF Tamron 28-105mm f/4-5.6
#14. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 3benlawton Registered since 10th Dec 2007Tue 09-Sep-08 07:58 PM
I'm in exactly the same position and I think I will certainly give the D90 some consideration. Are there prices available yet? Jessops reckoned body only would be around £650. I think I might shell out the extra £200 for the D300 as I have had my eye on it a while and I think it will be more future proof (both technologically and physically - I'm a clumsy oaf).
I want to hold the D90 in my hands and see how it feels, I really like the way the D200/300 feels and the layout is perfect, I have quite large hands. The D40 is ridiculously small!
If I'm honest I have played with the D300 a fair bit and I kind of have my heart set on it so I think the D90 will be tested in biased hands, but I'm looking forward to testing it nonetheless. Not fussed about video on the D90, I already have access to a pair of Panasonic HD cameras and a handfull of lenses (not mine but a close friend, i do some still photography for his production business and in return he films whatever i want). Interesting use of the technology developed for Live View though. Then again, inevitable!
This post was of no help, i'm sure but just to let you know how one D40 owner is feeling!
#2. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 0
I too skipped the D80 but gave in to temptation when the D300 was released. Mainly I wanted DOF preview (for positioning ND grads), MLU, programmable banks (since I switch often between landscape & wildlife shooting), more advanced AF, and higher frame rate. I was seriously debating between a D300 and a longer lens for birding, and tilted towards D300 given that double the pixels gives equivalent 1.4x teleconverter when cropping. I found I use live view much more than I thought I would (for manual focusing).
If I didn't have a D300, I'd probably go with the D90 now. I think I'd like the HD video mode, but being used to some of the more advanced features of D300, like the custom shooting banks, the AF-ON button, 51-point AF, and the programmable release priorities, I'd miss these now were I to downgrade.
Larry - a Bay Area Nikonian
My Nikonians gallery
#4. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 2alembicbassman Registered since 30th Oct 2004Fri 29-Aug-08 10:39 AM
I was using a D40 alongside my D50 which I sold before prices dropped too far. I will add the D90 to my D40 in the new year.
The D40 still has its advantages, it's light and cheap and doesn't mind going places a more expensive camera may not want to go.
The shutter is quieter compared to the D50 and write speeds a little faster. It's great to use in theatres if you don't mind MF on the 50mm 1.8
The D90 has got that great screen and 12 MP sensor. I'm waiting on reviews of the 18-105mm VR, but would probably opt for the 16-85mm kit.
#5. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 0
I also forgot to add about the 12.3MP, double what I get now. I've found myself doing a little more cropping than I thought I would. Especially for sports shots. Having that bigger initial file will now give me almost the same size image cropped as the D50 would give me for the original.
Thankfully I have a few large capacity external hard drives as I will now be filling those up twice as fast.
Also being able to use a bigger SD card than just 2GB. Granted a 4GB card will yield about the same number of images on the D90 as a 2GB on a D50, but now I'll have the option for an 8GB (or higher) card too. Nice option when you taking upwards of 3,000 images a week on a family vacation and you have a really slow laptop.
My D50 Gallery:
My Disney World Gallery (2006 & 2007 trips all with Nikon D50)
D50 / 18-135mm / 50mm f/1.8 / 70-210mm f/4 / 70-300mm VR / Sigma 30mm f/1.4 / Tamron 90mm f/2.8 Macro
#6. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 5woodworker5112 Registered since 23rd May 2008Tue 02-Sep-08 04:17 AM
Allright, I think I'm gonna blow some minds here, seriously
Fist, I'm planning on upgrading my lenses, a 24-70, and a 70-200 VR.
That ought to take a looong time, and by that time, the camera that I really want (D3, because that is an ideal body, the D700 would suite, but so what, if I can afforsd it then, I'll spoil myself ) will be around 1200$ (see D2 prices right now) I can't justify upgrading my body on my current lens set. Heck, I might want to upgrade my supprt to.
But D90 is mighty tempting...
Ok, ready to hear why I don't need that stuff
D40x, Lovin' it.
#9. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 6tessai Registered since 26th Apr 2008Wed 03-Sep-08 02:01 AM
>Fist, I'm planning on upgrading my lenses, a 24-70, and a
I love it!!! I have been saving for a D300/70-200vr lens combo for months now, and can't wait until they are mine. I have used that lens with my D50 and have to admit that it is one heck of a piece of glass.
I too thought about the D50 to D80 jump, but I shoot alot of indoor events that are not well lit, so the ISO thing is really important to me. I have heard mixed reviews on the D90's video function, and really don't care one way or the other about it. I'm just hoping that nikon decides to release some 18-250 VR f/2.8 lens or some really fast lens that covers a really broad photo range. I know it would be massive, but the results would be tack sharp!
O well, I'll be upgrading...just not to the D90 right now.
#7. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 0
I too have had a D50 since Jan 06. The D90 certainly looks like a damn fine camera. If only I had £700 to spare!
My previous camera (film SLR) did me 16 years, and was already second-hand when I got it. I don't think I will be keeping the D50 quite so long, but it isn't time for me to upgrade yet.
Too many hobbies, too little time
Visit my Nikonians gallery.
#8. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 0
I'm actually thinking about upgrading myself. I have the D40 and more recently picked up a used D70. I've been looking over the D90 with great interest and as I've been getting requested to be the photographer for some events I figure I can warrant the upgrade. When I do get it I'll be picking up a couple new VR lenses as well.
However I was planning to wait on buying it for at least a couple months to see how it pans out make sure it doesn't have any issues. Well as it turns out I have another reason to wait. I was drooling over some of the new D90 info and my girlfriend asked if it is what I wanted for Christmas, talk about a shocker. I was expecting to have a fight on my hands when telling her I was going to pickup the new camera.
#10. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 8Wed 03-Sep-08 04:06 AM
From the previews, the D90 is almost the perfect camera I have always wanted. It was really hard to change from a compact to an slr for losing videos, took me ages to make that call. And now there is an slr that takes videos, awesome awesome awesome. And less noise at hi iso: exactly what I wanted. And my 50mm f/1.8 will autofocus, perfect.
The only drawback I can see is that the D90 wont autofocus during a video recording. This is so important to me that Im gonna wait and see what the competition can bring out in response (or perhaps, what Nikon will release next with video capability). This is such an exciting time for digital slrs, Im so stoked.
Nikon 18-70mm and 50mm f/1.8
#11. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 0
"upgrade" to d90 or d300? We have a d40 and we are not planning on getting either of these others. To us the d40 is just the right form factor and weight. We love using it, the quality of the pictures are limited by our skills and vision, not the camera. If we had some extra money (which we don't right now) the money would go towards another lens, possibly a Sigma 30mm 1.4, which would work well with the d40. The most interesting feature of the d90 seems to be the hd movie capability. If I was seriously into doing some amateur movie production and had a nice assortment of Nikkor lenses, I'd probably be very interested in the d90 for just that reason, despite the limitations of 5 minute limits per "shot", no af in movie mode, and lack of professional audio connectors for external mikes. But taking hd films using a sensor as large as the d90s through interchangeable Nikkor lenses? Wow!!!! But reality is that the d40 does it for us, it's really our number one "wow" camera (and we have many others!). It has the added advantage that it will handle pre-ai lenses, which is important for us, something that the d80 won't do, and probably the d90 as well.
#12. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 11Shawn J Registered since 09th Apr 2008Sun 07-Sep-08 11:20 AM
I'll have to admit when I first saw the d90, I thought GOT to get it. But at $1200 cnd, not a must have item (yet). My d50 is still going strong and my abilities are more the issues then the cameras abilities. The reasons I will not be upgrading at this point.
1. 1200 bucks, buys some nice glass and the su800 I want.
2. Re sale on the d50 wont make it worth selling.
3. If its mega pixels your looking at then you'll always be upgrading.
4. I think the movie feature is cool, but I'll shoot 1000 stills before I take two minutes of video. The movie feature will not be used by most shooters here after the first few weeks.
5. My wife would notice two bodies in the camera bag, new glass blends in with the rest of the gear.
6. Learning a new camera, ok its fun but thats time I could be learn to take better pictures with the gear I have.
Theres nothing wrong with the d90. It looks like a great piece of gear. But for me, not now. Next time maybe.
#26. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 11Corkster52 Registered since 20th Jun 2008Sun 14-Sep-08 10:47 AM
Frank, good to read your thoughts on the D40. I have been salivating over the D700 since it came out, but, having only taken about 3000 photos so far with my D40, I could really wait quite a while. A 70-300 VR lens would have been nice for the grazing elk in Wyoming a couple of weeks ago....but not all that critical. Thanks for your post....I needed it.
#13. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 0
When it was first announced I said absolutely! Definately!... then last week, i said "um, maybe...or maybe i'll invest that money in a new lens"... then this week, i say, ah, NO--i'm saving my money for a rainy day. I love my D-50. My lens's may not be sophisticated, but they have certainly have served me well, and continue to do so.
I have not "outgrown" my camera body or my lens's. Would i love VR or VRII--you bet. Do i NEED it, nope. I have a tripod, and i'm ok with that. I am a casual photographer--it's a wonderful outlet & hobby, I photograph my son doing motocross, scenic landscapes, people etc..., I always have my camera with me, but it's not my income (but maybe someday that will change! LOL...).
Yes, I'd love a fancy camera. Yes, I'd love fancy lenses... but i dont NEED them right now.
I'll wait till the next go round or skip this level altogether and jump up to a D700 or D3 or whatever is out at the time...
For now, i have been and continue to be satisfied with my equipment.
EDIT: apparently i "needed" the d-80 for $599 from BH along with that fancy smancy 18-200VRII that i've been pining away for. I still spent less than the D90... OMG... I know I wont regret my purchase...i cant wait till my new baby arrives on Thursday. Off to have my head checked.
#15. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 13benlawton Registered since 10th Dec 2007Tue 09-Sep-08 08:04 PM
>EDIT: apparently i "needed" the d-80 for $599 from
>BH along with that fancy smancy 18-200VRII that i've been
>pining away for.
Ha ha quality!
I want a long VR lens although I also want a fast 50mm lens..... which to buy first...
#16. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 15Tue 09-Sep-08 09:38 PM
~Maura~i see that you have already upgraded your profile with your new camera.
i also have a d50 and i was thinking about upgrading to the d90 but i think i'm going to go with the d80 instead. i'm going to try and hold out until it reaches 500.00 dollars and then buy.
#17. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 16Tue 09-Sep-08 10:01 PM
This is certainly the question of the moment, no?
I had a D70. Actually I still have it. I then switched to a D40 because I wanted to be able to travel light. It has worked fairly well for me. But I have to say that the D90 is quite tempting. It is only a little bit bigger and about a quarter pound heavier. I am liking the idea of the 12.3 CMOS sensor, the low light ability, and the movie possibilities. That $1000 price tag for the body does give me a bit of pause. D300s are available for a few hundred more than that as refurb models. But I think the D300 is probably more than I really need and it doesn't do movies... And it is bigger and heavier still.
I also thought about the D80 for $600 which is a good deal. But again it doesn't do movies and is older technology.
You can always find more glass that you would like to have. I have a decent selection of lenses for the shooting I do now. A 2.8 zoom is something I will invest in at some point.
I have a nice bonus coming soon so I think I will probably make the jump to the D90 before my next trip to SE Asia in Nov. And I will probably finally invest in some sort of color calibration equipment.
#30. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 17oneimadeearlier_26 Registered since 21st Oct 2007Mon 15-Sep-08 04:58 AM
I also upgraded to a smaller camera as I found the bulk of my original D50 a bit big for smallish hands, especially if I'm carrying/using it all day. I saw the D60 at Focus on Imaging & I actually bought it there & then after much pacing about the floor! I love it - although I do still use my D50 for quite a few things - partly due to familiarity. It's surprising how long it takes to get used to even small differences camera to camera.
I'm now debating a) whether to buy a 55-200mm lens (had one for my film camera, but in practice rarely used it), & b) whether to upgrade my P&S from a P50 to ??!
#18. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 16Tue 09-Sep-08 11:28 PM
hehehe... yes Robin, i updated it tonight...it will be delivered on Thursday! I was a little nervous this afternoon about my decision, but i know it was the right one. It wasnt an impulse buy. But it was a good deal--and a perfect set up for my use!
D-50 & D-80-waiting-on-UPS
#19. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 18hboone Registered since 11th Nov 2006Wed 10-Sep-08 02:38 AM
I've been shooting with my D50 for 2yrs and was looking to upgrade to either D80/D200/D300. I will go with the D90 because its between the D200 and D300 and the size of a D80. Love the multiple view options and high ISO. I wasn't looking for video because I have a camcorder. Actually thought the rumor that the D90 has video (pre-release).
#21. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 20Thu 11-Sep-08 08:51 AM
**high five** robin! LOL... mine arrives today...YAY!!!!
OK...i must have had $$$ burning a hole in my pocket... with the dollars i saved by getting the D80, i enrolled in PPSOP (perfect picture school of photography) online course taught by Bryan Peterson (understanding exposure)... class starts tomorrow and i'm super excited about that too!!!
Congrats on your purchase!!!!
#22. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 21Thu 11-Sep-08 03:25 PM
thanks for helping me spend my hard earned cash Maura. lol i enrolled in the understanding exposure class also.
i have been trying to learn how to take better photos on my on which has not been a very progressive journey. so hopefully this will help me greatly improve my photography skills.
btw---can't wait to get my camera on monday. this is going to be a very long weekend. lol
#24. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 0
I have owned a D40 for almost 19 months and shot close to 14K images. Along with the kit lens, the 18-200VR, and SB-400 and SB-600 have given me everything I needed...except the quickness and fluidity of operation and enhanced capability that I only really came to appreciate after spending so much time with the D40.
I bought the D90 and could not be happier. What have I found thus far to be significant upgrades from the D40?
1) higher fps continuous shooting
2) excellent AF performance across the 11 AF points
3) better low light performance
4) greater speed in accessing critical functions like focus mode, white balance, and compensation adjustments
5) exposure and WB bracketing
For me, these things alone were sufficient to justify the purchase. For example, many were the times I had to manually select one of the three focus points on the D40 and in the process, lose a shot. With the D90, the focus point coverage is broad, sensibly placed, and focusing is fast and sure. I have not lost a single shot that I've gone after. Also, the short shutter lag and faster frame rate are very beneficial when shooting my kids in action.
Additionally, the balance of the camera with the 18-200 attached is just amazing. These two feel like they were made for each other. In fact, the cheap feeling kit 18-105 kit lens is pretty darn good and I've kept it on all the time.
Also, gotta say the LCD is amazing. It's just gorgeous.
Live view is cute, but do not use it if you need to quickly acquire focus, because it stinks compared to the regular focus mode.
The video is sort of take it or leave it. I've shot some and it is sort of nifty, but it really is almost the antithesis of a well-functioning dedicated video camera. For those willing to set up shots and be a videographer, you can get nice results. For dads chasing their kids, it frankly bites.
I love it. It feels like a more serious camera and it is. But, I still have not put away the D40. That is one fine little rig and my wife and I still use it when its particular charms are called for.
One thing I should add is that if you are skillful in setting and using your D40, your learning curve will be astonishingly short.
#25. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 24fischerms Registered since 03rd Jan 2007Sun 14-Sep-08 02:09 AM
Not likely to Upgrade to the D90 from my D50. I have also a D80. I looked at today at Best Buy nice but not much incentive for to dump the D50/D80. I will save my money for a D700 (Full size sensor and will deal with my older Nikkor/Tamron Lenses.
#29. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 25Sun 14-Sep-08 03:19 PM
>Not likely to Upgrade to the D90 from my D50. I have also a D80.
Indeed. In general, I wouldn't regard the D90 as a "must have" upgrade if one already owns a D80. For those who only have the D40-D60, the D90 is a sensible and significant upgrade.
#31. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 29Mon 15-Sep-08 09:03 AM
>>Not likely to Upgrade to the D90 from my D50. I have also
>Indeed. In general, I wouldn't regard the D90 as a "must
>have" upgrade if one already owns a D80. For those who
>only have the D40-D60, the D90 is a sensible and significant
I agree!... But i did see it as an opportunity to jump from the D-50 to a D-80 at a discounted rate. Now, i know if i waited 6 months, i'd get a better deal on the D80...but it's almost fall in New England and i didnt want to miss the photo ops.
My next camera will be a professional model...whatever-whenever that happens to be in a couple of years from now. These two cameras are more than sufficient for my craft.
D-50 ~ D-80
#27. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 24
Thanks for these insights, Wilkey.
I handled a D90 at Best Buy yesterday and held it up side by side with the D40 to compare size and weight. Unfortunately they didn't have a memory card in it so it didn't function at all. I may walk over to Ritz today to see if I can play with the functions there a little bit.
I have gotten pretty good at dealing with the D40's menus so it is good to know the learning curve should be short.
My plan was going to be to get the body only D90 but since it won't be available until the end of October I may have to buy the kit if I can find a good coupon that is applicable. Then maybe I could unload the kit lens and hopefully recoup its cost. I am taking a big trip in November and want it take it along.
#28. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 27Sun 14-Sep-08 03:17 PM
>Thanks for these insights, Wilkey.
>I handled a D90 at Best Buy yesterday and held it up side by
>side with the D40 to compare size and weight. Unfortunately
>they didn't have a memory card in it so it didn't function at
>all. I may walk over to Ritz today to see if I can play with
>the functions there a little bit.
>I have gotten pretty good at dealing with the D40's menus so
>it is good to know the learning curve should be short.
>My plan was going to be to get the body only D90 but since it
>won't be available until the end of October I may have to buy
>the kit if I can find a good coupon that is applicable. Then
>maybe I could unload the kit lens and hopefully recoup its
>cost. I am taking a big trip in November and want it take it
It's funny that you mentioned Ritz. I went there to handle (fondle ) the D90 with the full intention of holding off until the body-only kit came out. And after I played with it, I actually walked out of the store and down the mall. I got about 7 or 8 stores away before I turned around and went back and bought it.
The two things that drove me were:
1. The body was not expected until November whereas initial reports suggested October. That's one extra month of playing with it, getting familiar with it, and taking shots. I've already gotten some shots that have made it worthwhile.
2. It felt so solid and good in the hand. I also played with the D300 but that camera is just too, too much for me in many respects.
Once I got it home, I regarded the 18-105VR with some disdain and prejudice. But as I shot with it, I really started to like it. It handles well, is reasonably fast in acquiring focus, and has decent VR. It gives me almost all I need from the heavier, higher-build quality 18-200VR and I'm less worried about damaging a $300 kit lens than the $650 18-200VR. In fact, if I find someone selling their kit lens for $250 or better, I'd probably buy it just to have a backup.
Since you're taking a trip in November, it might be beneficial to get some time behind the viewfinder before then. At least that's what I'd do. The controls are a bit different in layout and access, though more direct overall, and so gaining some facility and developing muscle memory in service to the fluid operation of the D90 is a good thing.
IMO, the D90 is the ideal step-up camera for those whose first D-SLR was the D40-D60. I totally love mine!
Whatever your choice, I wish you the best of luck and a safe and enjoyable journey.
#32. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 28sajpogi Registered since 08th Aug 2008Mon 15-Sep-08 12:48 PM
I will be upgrading to a D90 too!
I went to Best But yesterday and tried it out! I love it! The D40 was there too! I compared wait, size, etc... The D300 is just too heavy for me and too much for my subjects and use. They have the same sensor anyway and same high ISO limit.I grown accustomed the my D40s menu and I think I like the fact that I can opt not to look at the top lcd when changing settings. And I love the fact that it has video on it too.
Will it be easy to unload the 18-105 VR? I want to wait for the body only option too, but, i WANT IT NOW! I just don't know what I will do with the kit lens that comes with it in case I buy it now.
#33. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 0
I have a D50 since August 2006, and have also thought about upgrading to a D300 (before the D90 news) and use the D50 as a second body during shoots. Then the D90 news came. What attracted me the most is the higher ISO performance for both cameras. D300 was a bit too expensive for me but the D90 price seems just right.
Then the thought of upgrading the body went out the window when my copy of 24-70 arrived
Now I just hope that people won't laugh at me using the 24-70 on just a D50.
#35. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 34melindapfeiffer Registered since 10th Jun 2008Mon 15-Sep-08 10:31 PM
In May, I upgraded from the D50 to the D300, and I haven't regretted it a single minute. I just felt like I had outgrown the D50. The D300 has been a pretty huge and steep learning curve, with many, many more options and features than the D50, but I still love it and feel like I am getting good results out of it.
The biggest pros, in my book, of the D300 are the ability to very quickly change primary settings on the back or top of the camera (not going through the menu) and the high ISO capabilities.
The biggest cons were that I had to buy all new memory cards (CF instead of SD, which is what the D50 uses) and that the D300 is kind of a beast, at least in my small hands. It does get heavy, but I have a good strap, which mitigates at least part of the weight. And in some ways (for me), the weight is offset by the solid build of the D300. It just feels solid and well built -- if bulky. I don't know what a D90 feels like.
I have a Coolpix point-n-shoot that I tote around in my pocket to capture little video clips. If making videos is a priority, there are new products out there made for uploading to You-Tube et al. that seem like fun little products.
Anyway, hope I helped. I was in the same boat and now love my D300. Love it, love it, love it.
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#36. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 35
#37. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 0
My upgrade arrived yesterday, a refurb D200 from Cameta with only 1282 actuations, basically a brand new camera. I've been feeling the limitations of the D40 for quite a while and was going to buy a D300 but after thinking about what I really wanted and needed, I got a D200 instead and also saved myself several hundred dollars. The D40 will become my son's birthday present on Monday since taking a photography class in school, for which he uses his Nikon FA, but he has been wanting a D40.
D200, D40, F4, FM2n, N90s and not enough glass
#38. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 37
#39. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 38Fri 19-Sep-08 08:52 PM
well, I went out and bought a D90 today. (Got a 10% coupon from Circuit City because they were opening a new store. D90 kit for $1170 plus tax)
It is a very impressive machine! I enjoy my D40 very much primarily because it is just so light and easy to carry around. But for a small addition of weight and bulk you get some really impressive features. Active D-Lighting alone may be worth the price of admission for me. If you shoot outdoors a lot I think it is a godsend. And the movie mode will be more than adequate for the sorts of little clips I intend to use it for. The menus are easy enough to navigate and set up was no problem. The "?" key works just as it does on the D40 to explain what setting are for. And there's an "info" key that allows for fast shortcutting to settings without having to go through multiple menus. I am thrilled and can't wait to go out and put it through its paces.
The kit lens is actually nicer than I expected as well.
#40. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 39Kevs Registered since 05th Aug 2007Sat 20-Sep-08 08:39 PM
No upgrading, I am very happy with my D40. Some people live by MP count, I don't. I would love Nikon to make a 8mp DSLR but they don't so the D40 will do just fine for me. This my 2nd D40 is awesome.
I just bought a XTI but could not deal with the soft images and problems with color reproduction. I traded in my new XTI for a new D40.
Out of many camera's, ist DL (6mp), K110D (6mp), XTI (10mp), Nikon 8700&8400 (8mp), C875 (8mp), MD7 (5mp) and a host of others, the D40 just has the sharpest image and best true to life color.
Sadly the raw converter is sad. I use PSP9 but can not find a way to open RAW with it so JPG FINE is FINE by me. I am not going to buy a program from Nikon to edit RAW when it should have came with the camera, instead they give a half #### software.
#41. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 40Sun 21-Sep-08 12:24 AM
>No upgrading, I am very happy with my D40. Some people live
>by MP count, I don't. I would love Nikon to make a 8mp DSLR
>but they don't so the D40 will do just fine for me. This my
>2nd D40 is awesome.
You're right in that there are plenty of folks out there who initially count pixels as a primary factor in their choice of a digital camera. However, I think that there are two categories of these folks. Those who are moving up from a compact digicam (Canon Powershot, Nikon Coolpix, etc.) and those who are already shooting at least an entry level dSLR.
For the folks in the first category, I'd say that the 6MP sensor of the D40 will stun you with image quality superior to any compact digicam out there, regardless of pixel count. The larger sensor simply delivers an image of such clarity and with such a lack of noise, it's like stepping from twilight into the bright morning light. This was my experience based on the Casio Z-600. I was simply left agape saying "that's ONLY 6MP?!"
For the folks in the second category, assuming they have mindfully plumbed the capabilities of their first digicam (in my case, the D40), then if they feel that additional resolution would provide a tangible benefit for their shooting circumstances, subjects, and output method, then the decision to move to a higher pixel count camera should by no means be considered a shallow one. I've had my D40 for almost 19 months and 14,000 exposures. I've fully explored what the camera can do for me, considered its strengths and its limitations and then made the determination that the D90 would be a sensible, justifiable upgrade. Thus far, it has fulfilled every need and remedied every weakness of the D40. Now I should clarify, I say weakness in the sense of what the camera can do for me, and not with respect to it being a poor device.
I guess I'm saying that the D90 is a totally different class of machine than the D40 and making this transition on the basis of MP alone is essentially nonsensical. The D60 would give you a big increment over 6MP at much lower price and preserve the familar charms of the D40/40X/60 form factor.
From my use of the camera so far, the doubling of resolution has been of value. The faster continuous shooting speed also has been of value. The hard-buttons for ISO, AF mode, AF area, and metering are worthwhile conveniences and I worked all of them today shooting my girls at the playground. But the 11-AF points has been perhaps the greatest practical benefit of all. I have only had to dial in a focus point one time whereas I normally ran the D40 in manual focus point selection. The downsides? File sizes approximately double that of the D40. Heavier but well balanced with the kit lens attached.
So in sum, the D90 allows me to do what I was able to do with the D40 but faster, better, more easily, and with greater confidence.
#42. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 39Sun 21-Sep-08 10:49 AM
>And there's an
>"info" key that allows for fast shortcutting to
>settings without having to go through multiple menus.
Can you elaborate how the D90's differs from the the D40/40x? Just curious...
#43. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 42Corkster52 Registered since 20th Jun 2008Sun 21-Sep-08 01:33 PM | edited Sun 21-Sep-08 01:35 PM by Corkster52
Not sure how many of you suffer from "gadgetitis" like I do (or at least that is what my wife says), so keeping that in mind I stuggle with differentiating from wants and needs quite often. My house is full of "have to haves" that were used incessantly for the first month or two and now gather dust. Good thing I found the remote control for my audio equipment for $100 on Ebay!
So here I am, a virtual sponge in these forums, just knowing that after only having made the leap into the SLR world this past Father's Day with a D40 and quite a few accessories, really wanting to ugrade already. I have taken around 4K shots with the D40 and really love it (but would really like to add a 70-300 lens to the arsenal). I am sure with the appropriate amount of begging and pleading I could get either the D80 or 90, or maybe 700, but I really should do the smart thing for a change. I will continue to read any and all posts on this topic as Christmas is just around the corner................
#44. "RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 42Sun 21-Sep-08 03:32 PM
basically the difference is that you can access more and different functions using the buttons and command dial on the D90. The "info" button when pressed twice allows you to set long exp noise reduction, hi iso noise reduction, active d-lighting mode, picture control mode, custom function button setting and AE/AF locking. You also have direct button access to set WB, ISO, and picture quality (RAW, the various JPEG sizes) which you can cycle through using the command dial instead of having to go through a menu. You are also able to set the AF mode and exposure mode (single, 2 continuous modes, timer, remote release), metering options and exposure compensation using the buttons on top of the camera and the command dial again to scroll through them. And you can set flash compensation using the button next to the lens and the front command dial (I think it is called the subcommand dial).
The D40 allows you to set the exposure compensation using the button on top of the camera and the command dial but that is about it. You can access a number of functions via the "info" button on top plus the "i" button on back of the camera and the multiselector for stuff like ISO, WB, focus mode, etc. But there are more things that you can access more quickly once you learn the buttons and get used to them on the D90.
I put the 18-105 D90 kit lens on my D40 and it makes for a very nice package...way better than the little kit lens that comes with the D40.
"RE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?"Sun 21-Sep-08 08:53 PM
#46. "Despite my brave words, been swinging back and fRE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 45Sun 21-Sep-08 11:47 PM
Despite my brave words, been swinging back and forth all week as to whether to get a D90 or not. Then I found a really interesting site!
select the two cameras you want to compare, and it’ll show you some creepy mannequin images taken with each side by side. D90 looks about the same as D40/X, and worse than the pics for the D60 on there. What’s everyone reckon?? Already emailed them asking about what lens was used with each test, response still pending
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#47. "Despite my brave words, been swinging back and fRE: D50 and D40 users.... are you upgrading to the D90 or D300?" | In response to Reply # 46Mon 22-Sep-08 11:42 AM
>Despite my brave words, been swinging back and forth all week as to
>whether to get a D90 or not. Then I found a really interesting site!
>select the two cameras you want to compare, and it’ll show you
>some creepy mannequin images taken with each side by side. D90
>looks about the same as D40/X, and worse than the pics for the
>D60 on there. What’s everyone reckon?? Already emailed them asking
>about what lens was used with each test, response still pending
I looked at their still life comparos at ISO 1600 and the D90 looks clearly smoother with less (chrominance) noise. The D40 photos didn't have the dummy shot. The same same pair of images with the D60 showed pretty much the same thing with the D90 image being visibly cleaner.
#48. "Upgrading...to a different brand." | In response to Reply # 0
Yup, I have my Nikon D50 and Fuji S3 Pro and will let go of both for the new Canon 5D Mk2. It has the things I need for landscape photography.
Maybe later, I'll pick up a Fuji S5 for portraits. But for me, it's bye-bye Nikon for now.