Based on your first impressions for those of you who stepped up from the D70s would you recommend selling if you couldn't afford to have both?
I took pics of my D70s last night to list on eBay. I just can't decide. I have only had the D70s for a little over a month.
My primary interest is sports/action running shots. I need better glass in any case. I have the 70-300 D and it is slow to focus. I don't know if I would do better in keeping the D70s and going for the 70-200 lens or selling and getting the D200 and maybe the new 18-200. Any knowledge on how that lens performs for action shots?
Also, if I do sell I will be back to using my N80 while I wait. No big deal as I only take pictures for me I am curious though, since I did not preorder how long would you figure my wait would be for the D200?
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#1. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 0SoCal Dave Charter MemberSun 18-Dec-05 02:39 AM
Got my D200 yesterday afternoon and sold my D70 today. So much better that I couldn't conceive of ever using the D70 again. That much better!
Focus accuracy is visibly better.
AF speed and lock on better especially on non-AF-S lenses.
Commander Mode allows the built in light to act as a flash too! Saves buying another SB800!
Better high ISO photos. I thought D70 was good for quality prints up to about ISO 400 - go to ISO 800 on the D200. 1600 ok for 5x7's.
Crop in more w/o resolution loss.
Uses DX lenses - not full frame!
5 frames per second vs. 3FPS
2.5" display with variable zoom on playback.
Preset "banks" of shooting options that can be renamed.
Only thing I miss is my little IR remote release. But I have the fancy one on order.
And of course, plan on buying a Sandisk Extreme III 4GB card while you are at it too. Those big file chew up card space quick.
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#8. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 4SoCal Dave Charter MemberSun 18-Dec-05 05:09 AM
I guess you misunderstood my meaning. By my DX/FF comment I meant that I am happy that the sensor is DX sized as I believe that so long as noise is under control, the DX format is more beneficial to me since I only have to buy one $1000 lens (12-24) on the short end whereas I'd have to spend thousands to get the extra reach on the long end if it was FF by comparison. Of course it uses the entire line of Nikkor lenses! And when using non-DX lenses, the DX sensor makes use of the "sweet spot" of the lens.
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#7. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 1twanto Basic MemberSun 18-Dec-05 04:54 AM
With respect to the original poster's question....
>Commander Mode allows the built in light to act as a flash
>too! Saves buying another SB800!
Depends on what king of sports shooting you do- some places won't let you use flash- and if you're shooting runners it'll most likely be in daylight- so this is a moot point.
>Uses DX lenses - not full frame!
Both D70 and D200 use both DX and full frame lenses.
Useless for action photography.
Other points are certainly an improvment for action photography though.
#9. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 1Dubhacan Basic MemberSun 18-Dec-05 06:07 AM
SoCal said: "Got my D200 yesterday afternoon and sold my D70 today. So much better that I couldn't conceive of ever using the D70
again. That much better!"
Aye, couldn't have put it better myself. I need a spare body, so the D70 is going up for sale and I'll put the cash raised to second D200.
I've enjoyed my D70 and it has served me very well indeed, but it's just not at the races compared to the D200.
Upwards and onwards.
#3. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 0
I think it depends on your use. The D200 leaerning curve would be steeper than the D70 and if you feel the D70 is adequate enough for you then I would say just go with the 70-200 VR.
That lens coupled with the D70s is really enough for action shots. Regardless of how the 18-200 fares, I don't think it would be better for sports than the 70-200 VR.
Although if you feel the need to upgrade. I'd say sell the D70s. I doubt you'd regret it or even look back once you cross that bridge.
#5. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 0
I'm going to disagree with some people here. If your primary interest is in sports/action running shots, and you bought a D70 with a 70-300D I would suspect that budget had a lot to do with your purchase decision, especially since you would have to sell your D70 to get a D200.
Given that is the case, I think you would do a disservice to yourself to buy the D200 before having good fast glass. The 70-200 will dramatically improve your focus ability on the D70 because it has a silent wave motor (not relying on D70's screwdrive) and it is a 2.8 lens, giving you better light capturing ability.
Yes the D200 will do all things better than the D70, but will you see the difference with the glass you own? Also, for sports, you will not want the 18-200mm. I'm saying this simply based upon its specs- it's made to be an all purpose walk around lens. The 70-200 will be sharper than the ultra zoom 18-200, it will focus faster than the ultra zoom, and will be built better than the ultra zoom (and also heavier), and will use a teleconverter well unlike the ultra zoom.
If the decision is between a D200 with a 70-300D for sports, and a D70 with a 70-200 2.8 for sports, I'd say the D70 package wins hands down. I say this because the 70-300 D doesn't do my D70 justice, so it certainly would not do the D200 justice. You'd be better served by better glass. If you can afford both, I'd say go for it.
Disclaimer: I don't own the D200 yet so this isn't based upon MY first impressions, but do have the D70 with some AFS glass.
#6. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 0
If budget is limited, comparing a D200 with a 70-300mm ED vs D70s with a 70-200mm VR, I would say a d70s and a 70-200mm VR gives you more benefit in terms of photography. The 18-200mm VR is not meant for sports photography.
The lens would also hold the value much much better.
#10. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 0
I sold my D70s on thursday (for more than I paid for it!) on Ebay, and got my D200 on Saturday.
So far I'm loving the D200 (with the caveat regarding the Sigma 30mm AF-On issue I've just started a thread on).
If you can only afford to own the D200 by selling the D70s, by all means sell your D70s, but the D70s is a VERY good camera and honestly its highly capable.
#11. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 10mureena Registered since 02nd Nov 2005Sun 18-Dec-05 08:27 AM
If I did not have the money to afford both I'd keep the D70s and invest in the 70-200 VR. You say you only take photos for yourself so I don't think the increase in sensor size makes a difference for you, as you'd be taking photos for on-screen or web viewing (perhaps printing some nice shots on paper).
Anyway, I have always considered investing in glass more important than body. The D70 is a VERY capable body already!
The earlier points here on speed and AF are very valid, but to me, moving from 3 to 5 fps is not really a revolution. Make sure you have a fast CF card too, otherwise your D200 investment will be slowed down by obsolete write speed. (Nikon tests on bursts were done with Sandisk Extreme III as I recall from some post written here earlier.)
But then again, I'm keeping my D70 as a second body to couple shoots with my D200 (occasionally renting a D2x), so who am I to give recommendations?
#12. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 0
So far I love the D200. The auto-focus performance with my 80-400 VR is vastly improved over the D70 both in terms of speed and accuracy (less hunting).
If the issue is primarily auto-focus then I suggest that you stick with the D70 and purchase faster glass with AF-S. In the end, it will yield the results you seek with less $$$ invested.
Per the local shop where I purchased my D200, the next shipment for them will be in mid January. If you have a local dealer you may want to speak with them for availability. I dont trust the word of the big internet dealers who have misled so many on this forum.
Finally, I also shoot primarily for myself and a few weeks without a camera is no problem. As soon as I ordered my D200 in November, I sold my D70 body on ebay for $140 less than I paid for it new one year ago (not a bad investment ). I wanted to get the best price for mine by selling ahead of the glut of D70 & D70s bodies that would inevitably hit the market in December. The D70 body selling price has fallen from $780 to $540 in the the last two weeks!!
Selling now may not be the best time. I'm actually considering bidding on a D70 body as a backup if prices continue to slide.
#16. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 12spenny Registered since 26th Oct 2004Sun 18-Dec-05 06:06 PM
all excellent points, but... and my next lens will be the 70-200 vr, but right now i can get a lot more $$$ out of my D70 no than i can in a year, so i will continue to wait on the lens and spend the saved $$$ on the D200.
#13. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 0
Since your primary interest is sports/action photography, one shortcoming of the D70 which hasn't been addressed is the Multi-
CAM900. Unfortunately the D70 has a notorious reputation for "hunting" in low light.
Yes, an AF-I or AF-S lens should focus faster than a screw-drive lens. But this will not compensate for the autofocus sensor. I would lean toward the D200 given your preferences.
Just out of curiousity, any 'clinical tests' out yet which show the performance of the Multi-CAM1000 as compared to say, the 1300 or 2000?
#14. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 13sduford Basic MemberSun 18-Dec-05 12:35 PM
THe D70 is an excellent camera and I agree with those wo said you would be better off keeping the D70 and buying better glass.
However, if you do not buy a D200 now, NAS will slowly set-in and you will keep wondering "what if..." and you will be buying a D200 in a few months anyway.
#15. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 0
Playing the devil's advocate: The D200 is a different category of camera than the D70s. Depending on where you are in mastering the D70s, you might be doing yourself a disservice by upgrading already. I'm confident that, long after the sensor in my current digital camera is obsolete, I will still be using my Nikkor lenses. If the 70-300 VR is out of your current price range (it costs the same as the D200 and, well, if you sell your D70s to get it. . .) then you might look at a used 80 - 200 F2.8 AF-S. Yes, the focus isn't as snappy as the 70-300, but it's pretty good.
#17. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 0
Thank you all! I have made my decision. My D70s is on eBay right now. I am hoping to get somewhere near what I paid for it as it is so new and seen little use. I figure that now is a better time to sell rather than later because many people don't have access to the D200 yet. I believe that most people will not part with their D70s until they get one. I only saw two other used D70s on last night.
I know how I am and it will eat away at me if I don't have the D200. I'm sure that I don't know everything that I could about the D70s but I don't think I am required to master it before learning on a better camera.
I will save for the 70-200 VR...XC season isn't until next Fall and all I will miss in the meantime are some road races.
Which lens should I choose for portrait and family photography? I will have the D200 and the 70-200 VR for sports. Which lens is best for clear, sharp portrait shots? Would it also be able to be used as a great all around lens or is that yet another seperate purchase? Should I sell the 28-105 D and 70-300 D? I didn't list either with my D70s auction as I figured I would get more for them on their own.
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#18. "RE: Would you sell..." | In response to Reply # 17fspeeder Registered since 06th Jan 2005Sun 18-Dec-05 06:51 PM
I knew you would bite the bullet once you have a thought about D200.
I used to use 85mm f1.4D for portraits but now on a DSLR I seem to use 17-55mm DX more often. The 85mm seems a bit too long in monay situations as I seldom have that much room between me and the subect.
As for the 28-105 and 70-300mm, I am pretty sure sooner or later you would want to get rid of them.
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