D100, Canon D60 and Fuji S2 pro comparision inside
OK, here is a review from a Taiwan photo lover site.
Manyof you cannot read the text, you can see the image,
plus my translation on the results
It contains 3 conclusions:
1. performance/price: S2>D100>D60
2. Noiseless: D100>S2>D60
3. Saturation for night shooting: S2>D60>D100
look part2 (include Nikon D1x) daylight testing
shoot at 8:00am bright day
1. Shadow Detail D60>D1x>S2=D100
2. Color (tonal) saturation S2>D1x>D100>D60
The rest of the tests are still ongoing.
#1. "RE: D100, Canon D60 and Fuji S2 pro comparision inside" | In response to Reply # 0Ansch Basic MemberWed 10-Jul-02 04:36 AM
I have a bunch of photos taken by my friend with his new D60. I won't post at this stage but if anyone is interested to see email me or I can always post them on the other camera systems forum...
#2. "RE: D100, Canon D60 and Fuji S2 pro comparision inside" | In response to Reply # 0GilbertC Registered since 24th Feb 2002Wed 10-Jul-02 10:40 AM
If the original author of that article isn't experienced enough, allow me to point that out. What "part 2" really shows is that if you over expose a photo then you get better shadow details.
Dont make me feel shame of being a Taiwanese, meerkat, please.
#3. "RE: D100, Canon D60 and Fuji S2 pro comparision inside" | In response to Reply # 2Wed 10-Jul-02 02:58 PM
I can't read the text but I can see the pictures. Maybe there's a good explanation in the text.
But I have to agree with you. It is obvious from the photos that the D60 images were exposed more than the D100 images (both Part 1 and 2).
Now, were the images taken with both cameras at the same f-stop and shutter speed? In this case his Nikon camera sample appears to give less exposure than the Canon. Maybe his Nikon shutter is 1/3 stop fast? Maybe his Canon is 1/3 stop slow? Both? Who knows.
Were each of the cameras allowed to meter the scene and expose accordingly? In this case maybe we see the difference between Nikon and Canon matrix metering?
In any case the images to me don't look definitive enough to reach any conclusions about abilities to bring out shadow details. (Although it would help if I could read the text )
#4. "RE: D100, Canon D60 and Fuji S2 pro comparision inside" | In response to Reply # 3genec57 Basic MemberWed 10-Jul-02 07:47 PM
The big thing I notice in the comparison, somewhat to my distress, is the the Fujifilm S2 images appear both sharper and more vivid than the D100 or the D60 for that matter.
I have been itching to get hold of a D100 but now I think I may have to wait and see how it stacks up to the S2 in further tests.
#5. "RE: D100, Canon D60 and Fuji S2 pro comparision inside" | In response to Reply # 4Wed 10-Jul-02 09:08 PM
Again, without being able to see the conditions of the test you can't make any conclusions.
What level of in-camera sharpening was applied? The only valid comparison would be if in-camera sharpening was off.
What color space was used? sRGB is more vivid than AdobeRGB
What tone compensation (contrast) was set?
What white balance was the camera set for?
And since I can't read Chinese I can't tell if these variables are accounted for in this test.
I'm not dismissing the tests. I'm just saying that without knowing the conditions of the test I'm not going to make conclusions that could turn out to be incorrect.
#6. "RE: D100, Canon D60 and Fuji S2 pro comparision inside" | In response to Reply # 2
> Dont make me feel shame of being a Taiwanese, meerkat, please.
You are waaaay over sensitive here. Necessary?
Back to the topic, I had the same observation immediately, but was too lazy to mention it after so many link friendly typing (otherwise, I would list other settings too), but I have to do it now.
All the cameras were expoused using manual mode WITH THE SAME EXPOSURE. Same shutter speed, aperture, same ISO settings (well they use all iso settings, but never, cross-ISO compare)
white balance, fine mode, sharp off (but this does not ganrantee everything equal, plus sharpness is different with camera of different pixels, which is different among these camera, they are not resampling in those close up images), 50mm fixed lense (of course canon len for D60, which is another variable). plus I have no idea if they shoot them almost concurrently (in one sentence, same ambient light condition, but I think the guys should well aware of it).
The web site is new to me (happen to come across). After some more digging today, I found the site is run by a club with numerous tests that has been going on for years, I can only hope most probably those guys should quite experienced, at least aware of testing factors. and procedures.
Again for the exposure issue, I do noticed on another Nikon mail list, there were saying the D100 tend to underexposed. Originally I thought it is metering algorithm issue (especially for matrix), but now
with the same EV (which makes metering system an non-factor), is still different.
S2 use super CCD gen 3
D100 uses CCD gen2
D60 uses CMOS (?, D30 is at least)
That alone makes some differences, just as we use different films of same ISO for testing. But for DSLR, such "film" is part of the camera should be evaluated in camera review
There observations in general are in alignment with Thom Hogan 2nd hand observation.
#7. "RE: D100, Canon D60 and Fuji S2 pro comparision inside" | In response to Reply # 6Thu 11-Jul-02 01:32 AM
Thanks for providing more of the interpretation. Based on your translation I would have to agree that it appears that in this test the Nikon sample is underexposing in comparison to the D60 and Fuji.
This is interesting. Contrary to what you state at the end of your post, this is in direct contradiction to Thom Hogan's article where he states that his D1x and D100 both overexpose and he has to routinely set both Nikon's to underexpose.
My personal experience so far is that my D100 also tends towards underexposer. I have been using the histogram feature extensively and quite often I find that the scene is underexposed. But not all the time. It is just as common to see a perfect histogram. So I'm not sure what is up with Nikon's matrix metering in the D100. I have read a lot of complaints that the matrix metering on the F100 gets fooled also. I have an F100, too, but cannot confirm this complaint.
On the other hand, it is better to err on the underexposure side. You can correct this in Photoshop. If you blow out the highlights there's nothing you can do. You can't always check the histogram. Action shots (sports), candids, etc. are a one shot deal. No retakes. So in this regard one could argue that it is better to err on the side of underexposure.
#9. "RE: D100, Canon D60 and Fuji S2 pro comparision inside" | In response to Reply # 7Fri 12-Jul-02 05:49 PM
> This is interesting. Contrary to what you state at the end
> of your post, this is in direct contradiction to Thom Hogan's
> article where he states that his D1x and D100 both overexpose
> and he has to routinely set both Nikon's to underexpose.
> My personal experience so far is that my D100 also tends
> towards underexpose.
Somehow, Tom seems contradict with himself too, he also mentions the underexposure symptom raised by many users and explained, but at a new different URL. Click here for more.
As mentioned in my previous post, the issue is not on the metering system (as the tests were using manual, same manual exposure control for all cameras).
#8. "RE: D100, Canon D60 and Fuji S2 pro comparision inside" | In response to Reply # 6
Yes, that's what I feel at the first sight of that web-page, exposure difference judging from the white-out sky. I heard by the way Thom Hogan made some opinion about that web-page in "some website" already also, since somebody seems to drag that web-page everywhere in the net.
I was pretty shocked that somebody dragged a link to that site in fact. That site is in cooperation with another Taiwan site xxx.photosharp.xxx.xxx (I believe you know what I mean), whose web-master LAUGHs at nikon users to shoot micro with head back and forth and declares that we should shoot micro using auto-focus canon.
Based on my minor understanding of micro photography I never take that two Taiwan site serious.