Just picked up the external battery grip for my D100 on Friday and shot a few things over the weekend.
My main observation right away is that this grip that allows you to use 6AA batteries certainly does not last as long as the 1 Ion battery without the grip. I maybe shot less than half of the amount of frames with 6 aa's than the 1 little battery before I added the grip.
I do see that it allows you to use the 2 lithium batteries but now that means spending another 80 bucks for a second battery. Am I wrong or doing something incorrectly to use so much power? I'm not constantly using the viewing screen, and I manual focus so I'm perplexed as to why I don't get as much power.
#1. "RE: D100 and MB-D battery grip" | In response to Reply # 0vfnewman Basic MemberMon 09-Sep-02 12:48 PM
I don't think you did anything wrong. The user's manual says you won't get as many shots from the AAs as you do from a Lithium battery, and I have no reason to doubt them.
I have the MD-D100 and I view the AA option as an emergency backup. I did buy a second Lithium battery, and normally run both of them at once. I have yet to reach the limit for these things. They seem to run forever.
#2. "RE: D100 and MB-D battery grip" | In response to Reply # 0genec57 Basic MemberMon 09-Sep-02 01:37 PM
AA alkalines are not going to last nearly as long as lithiums. I think that the AA option was maily meant as an emergency option when your main batteries are discharged. AA lithiums would be far better in terms of life but are, of course more expensive and not rechargable. I should think that the best of all worlds would be two Nikon lithiums. Who said this was going to be cheap ?
#3. "RE: D100 and MB-D battery grip" | In response to Reply # 2Mon 09-Sep-02 01:54 PM
Thanks for the fast replies guys!
Cheap? Not when you're Nikon owner!
Well, chalk it up to not reading hte manual..........again. I don't mind the 2nd Nikon lithium if I get a long life from them.
#4. "RE: D100 and MB-D battery grip" | In response to Reply # 3BJNicholls Charter MemberMon 09-Sep-02 03:41 PM
Why aren't you using 1800 mAh NiMH AA cells in the grip? They will outperform alkalines and you can recharge them 500 times without worrying about memory problems. Non-rechargeable lithium AA cells are extremely expensive to use by comparision.
Eventually, there will be aftermarket equivalent lithium ion cells in the EN-EL3 size/shape/capacity.
#5. "RE: D100 and MB-D battery grip" | In response to Reply # 0
If you put two Nikon L ion Batteries in the grip, does the camera utilize one first and then tell you it is low, or do they work in parallel, so that when you are out, you are out on two batteries?
The D-60 runs them one after the other so that you can charge the first one that runs out and keep on shooting. Is Nikon the same.
#8. "RE: D100 and MB-D battery grip" | In response to Reply # 5
#11. "RE: D100 and MB-D battery grip" | In response to Reply # 8DaveDosch Basic MemberTue 10-Sep-02 10:07 AM
No... the MB-D100 runs the batteries in sequence. The battery on the right is used then the battery on the left.
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#6. "RE: D100 and MB-D battery grip" | In response to Reply # 0
Aside from the short battery life, how do you like the grip? Is it more comfortable when using longer lenses? Was it worth the money?
How about a little critique on your new acquisition.
I want to buy the grip, the EH-5 AC Adapter and of course the optional (Damn it) Nikon Capture 3. I also need the SB-80DX. When will it end?
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#10. "RE: D100 and MB-D battery grip" | In response to Reply # 0
Just happened to be reading Thom Hogan's "The Complete Guide to the D100" and the section on the MB battery grip answered several of my questions and may be of interest to all.
1. Thom says that the L-ion batteries used in the handle are used one at a time, First one battery is depleted and then the second battery is started upon. Thus, I assume from this explanation, that it appears that you can take one out and continue with the second while the first is being charged. Since I do not have the handle, I cannot verify this.
2. Thom says that you will get substantially shortened life using NiMH batteries rather than Straight AA alkaline batteries because the NiMH only produce 7.2 volts and the camera is looking for 7.4. He suggests using only the L-ion batteries, using regular AA alkaline batteries in a pinch and not using NiMH batteries at all.
#12. "RE: D100 and MB-D battery grip" | In response to Reply # 10Maus930 Nikonian since 31st Jul 2002Tue 10-Sep-02 01:00 PM
Bob is correct -- a number of forum report were of people who tried to use the NiMH batteries and they quit working very quickly because of the voltage. I attempted to use 6 alkalines, but they were gone after 20 shots or so-- the alklines are only for emergencys -- using 2- En-EL3s, they seem to last for ever --remakable -- I like the MB grip because of the substantial feel it gives to the camera , and balance.
#13. "RE: D100 and MB-D battery grip" | In response to Reply # 12Tue 10-Sep-02 10:53 PM
Thanks for the battery suggestions folks, I'm definately going to the store tomorrow and getting another Nikon en-el3s battery to put in.
I found one of them worked alone so it makes sense that they work independantly of each other. Interesting!
The feel of this grip is pretty good. I have an F100 & F90X and I'd say it's equivalent to the F100 grip and substantially better than the F90X grip.
The size is good for guys with large mitts like myself. It adds a good base to the camera and is comfortable to hold. It definately adds leverage for vertical shooting and with long lenses.
I honestly can't believe the difference it makes in the look and feel of the overall camera. It goes from looking like an F80 to looking similar to an F5 at a quick glance. I like a big camera, so I'm very pleased.
I purchased mine at www.vistek.ca for $399.00cdn. They had just received stock as of last Friday(Sept.6?)
I hignly recommend one if you're considering it. Be advised though, a common compaint of this grip is the "plasticy" feel to it. It does have a more hollow feel to it, but load it with batteries and you're good to go. No worries.
#14. "RE: D100 and MB-D battery grip" | In response to Reply # 0
I just purchased a D100 and the MBD100. I walked into a serious problem using any battery type in the cheap soft plastic battery holder.
Problem: I running the EN lithium in the MBD100, no problem. I remove it (go thru turn off and turn on)and load in the battery tray with 6 new AA alkalines, read 9 VDC at the holder terminals for the AA's and plug it in. Upon turn on, battery icon in the control panel is full. As soon as I autofocus or shoot a frame, the battery icon shows empty and an Err meassage pops up next to the icon. I cant shoot or autofocus, the camera appears frozen just like a computer crash. I remove the AA holder, replace the En lithium and upon turn the battery icon is still empty and Err message still present. If I now try to shoot a frame, the frame is shot and the bat icon shows full and the Err message disappears (microprocessor probably reboots and clears the Op Sys). The voltage across the AA holder is still 9VDC. This charming behavior repeats with NiCd and MnH batteries freshly charged. I went back to the dealer and repeated this failure test on my salesmen's personal D100/MBD100 and the stores inventory of 2 more units, interchanging the battery hold did not alter the results.
The battery holder shares the neg terminal with the EN lithiums-they are the same tab--but the right hand (pos) terminal for the bat holder is seperate, I believe this terminal is not making proper contact or in the case where some of you are actually using AA's and experiencing very short life, that terminal is intermittent or the path thru the camera body is. I emailed Nikon Support(?) a complete report and got back a one line form memo telling me to call Customer Support. After much difficulty trying to communicate between phone support and email support, Nikon admitted that they have a problem and I should be patient. I would appreciate it if those of who have not tried using AA's please do and post your results and if needed also to Nikon. Use the basic AA alkalines, Nikon states no support or reccomendation for use of the MnH or NiCD AA's.
Response to those comments about NiCd, MnH and Alkalines. The alkalines and lithium AA's are 1.5 VDC, the NiCd and MnH are ~1.2 VDC.
AA MnH are available in 1.5 and now 1.8 A-H capacities, 6 in series gives somewhat greater than 7.2 VDC (my freshly charged were 8.1). AA NiCd's are available at 1 A-H and 6 of them give somewhat more than 7.2 VDC. The En lithium is only 7.4 VDC and has a 1.4 A-H capacity, this is less than the MnH's; I believe the discharge curve for the EN and the MnH's should be similar, I have not checked this out yet. If this is so and Nikon fixes this problem we should get comparable performance, both chemistries and construction yield low source impedance batteries, surge currents( think flash/strobe) should not be a problem.
I'm quite certain Nikon is using a switch mode power supply to generate a fixed camera system voltage, such a supply properly design will perform as the battery voltage sags to its discharge value and its impedance increases which will exacerbate the situation.
One more requested comment, how many of you are comfortable swapping the memory card in and out? In my D100 I get scared, I have to carefully rock the card as I get to the bottom--if not I get resistance requiring more force-then I stop and start again. I dont think the guidance tolerance is tight enough to maintain safe alignment. Secondly, this type of pin connector is not designed for multiple insertions, the pin diameters are only 10-12 mils, for PCMIA where the insertion is infrequent or only once it is fine. There are submin connectors using ribbon blades that wipe (like your Printer connector)which will satisfy this requirement. Better to have a self cleaning sliding/wiping action than a head on collision.
I'm brand new to the Nikonians and have been using Nikons for the past 50 yrs. I'm very glad to have found this discussion session, especially at this time.
Thank you all Irving Weiner
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#15. "RE: D100 and MB-D battery grip" | In response to Reply # 14PDC Basic MemberSat 14-Sep-02 09:23 AM
The pressure needed to insert and remove my card from my D100 is very similiar to that of my D1H.
Did you try inserting a card into one of the other bodies while you were at the dealers?
Perhaps you should get that looked at.