I can either buy a used D1 for about 1600 EUR or the new D100 for about 2300 EUR. My concerns about the D1: big&heavy, so-so battery life, "only" 2.7Mp. Concerns about D100: no AI lenses, more expensive, short flash synchro. I am not a pro. So what do you think is a better buy?
#1. "Need more info from you ..." | In response to Reply # 0foodle Registered since 24th Jul 2002Tue 24-Sep-02 04:45 PM
Hard to give you any kind of recommendation without knowing what you plan to do with your images and what other equipment you have.
Are you going to print your images?
If so, what is the max size that you will need?
What lenses do you already have?
Do you need the weather sealing of the D1?
Do you need fast flash synch?
Will you need extended battery life?
It sounds like cost is a significant issue. Is there a lower cost alternative that will still satisfy your goals (e.g. Coolpix 5700)?
Once you answer the above questions, your decision may be clear. Or at least we will be in a better position to help you decide.
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#2. "I'm in the same boat..." | In response to Reply # 1MrFacto Registered since 19th Sep 2002Tue 24-Sep-02 05:03 PM
(my 2nd post!)
I too, have also been debating between a used D1 and new D100.
A used D1 can be found for about 1800, while a new D100 is about 2000.
I would be using this camera for photojournalism.
I like the 4.5 FPS on the D1, but obviously the D100's 6.1mp is the argument to that. I also think the D1 is a far more "durable" camera. (lets face it PJ work can be hazardous to the equipment and sometimes the photographer too!)
THanks for all advice from the experts.
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#5. "RE: I'm in the same boat..." | In response to Reply # 2foodle Registered since 24th Jul 2002Tue 24-Sep-02 09:50 PM
> I like the 4.5 FPS on the D1, but obviously the D100's
>6.1mp is the argument to that.
Why is the D100's sensor size a counter argument to the D1's shooting rate? They are completely different features. Do you need the fast shooting rate or the high resolution?
>I also think the D1 is a far more "durable" camera. (lets face it PJ work
>can be hazardous to the equipment and sometimes the photographer
PJ work says D1 to me. It's tougher, weather-sealed, and has a faster shooting rate. The resolution isn't really that important as long as it can meet minimum quality standards.
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#4. "RE: Need more info from you ..." | In response to Reply # 1Tue 24-Sep-02 07:05 PM
>Hard to give you any kind of recommendation without knowing
>what you plan to do with your images and what other
>equipment you have.
Say this is my first real digital. I had a Fuji 640x400 (!) five years ago. I have a Nikomat EL, F601, SB25. I hate all the hassle with film and the inability to influence the picture (color,contrast,etc; expect if you own you own colorlab!). I have started with potrait, then got more into series/people, and would like to do more nature/scene. My other reason to go to digital is the faster check/workflow/results.
>Are you going to print your images?
>If so, what is the max size that you will need?
I think I would leave most of them digital (burn to a CD), and print some at 10x15cm a few nice ones about A4 size.
>What lenses do you already have?
I have 20mm AI, 28 AI, 28-85 AF, 105 AI. All nice lenses. I think I would still love to keep them and my Nikomat.
>Do you need the weather sealing of the D1?
No. not especially. Actually the lighter body of the D100 would be easier for me to take around. I just wonder if the D1 is really too heavy, many F5/D1 user say you get used to it. Really? The D100 is about 0.7kg, the D1 1.1kg, but with my zoom lens is also 0.5kg. I like to be able to take them on holiday too.
>Do you need fast flash synch?
Yes/no. I actually never had experience with fast synch but I would like to learn using flash fill-ins to improve my pictures.
>Will you need extended battery life?
That is my main concern. Is the D1 battery "enough" for a full day shooting? My brothers Canon Ixus has really poor battery life (after a year, only 20 pictures or so...). I read reviews who say the D1 can take over 500 picture, other say about 100-200. What is the real battery life? I don't want to end up having a great camera but 4 battery packs carrying around. The D100 however seems to go on and on, the D1h/D1x seem to have improved battery consumption too a lot.
D1 users: what are your experience with the D1 battery?
>It sounds like cost is a significant issue. Is there a lower
>cost alternative that will still satisfy your goals (e.g.
No. I like the SLR idea.
>Once you answer the above questions, your decision may be
>clear. Or at least we will be in a better position to help
Note: a used D1 is really cheaper right now. But I wonder if I would need professional servicing (CCD cleaning), buying (extra) batteries etc that in the end I would be ending up more expensive than buying the D100. If the D100 were cheaper than the D1, I would probably go for the D100.
#8. "RE: Need more info from you ..." | In response to Reply # 4DrMark Basic MemberThu 26-Sep-02 01:19 AM
>No. not especially. Actually the lighter body of the D100
>would be easier for me to take around. I just wonder if the
>D1 is really too heavy, many F5/D1 user say you get used to
I never got used to my F5, I lugged it around Washington DC and hated every minute. The D100 is a breath of fresh air. To those that love weight, buy heavy. I am small framed and enjoy Polycarbon frames.
#10. "RE: Need more info from you ..." | In response to Reply # 4ArLe Registered since 21st Aug 2002Thu 26-Sep-02 06:55 PM
>>What lenses do you already have?
>I have 20mm AI, 28 AI, 28-85 AF, 105 AI. All nice lenses. I
>think I would still love to keep them and my Nikomat.
With ths in mind, your only choice is really the D1. The meter in the D100 will NOT work with AI lenses. With the D1 you can use center weighted or spot metering.
#6. "RE: new D100 or used D1?" | In response to Reply # 0
I asked myself this question about three months ago when I began the difficult task of convincing my wife to go digital. At the time I was filled with the "pixel envy" that is so dear to the hearts of digital camera manufacturers. However, I took some time to research the feasibility of a used D1. I also took time to decide the purposes for which I was purchasing the camera.
The D100 has much in its favor:
* Better color out of the box (so I read)
* More pixels.
* Lighter body.
* Better battery.
* Better use of DTTL (though this camera apparently has some of the problems that plague the D1 series)
Ultimately I decided on a D1 and constant surveillance of different web sites with classified listings yielded a like-new D1 with an extra battery and the AC adapter for $1,600.00. However, price was not the only reason that I decided on the D1.
These were my reasons:
* Though color is not as immediately good as a D100 (or D1H or D1X) it is still damn good and sufficient more my advanced amateur purposes. I also like that the color in this camera requires work. It is forcing me to understand color management better and to decide how I want my prints to look.
* Faster autofocus which I wanted for shooting my kids play sports.
* Larger buffer for the same purpose (20 shots in the D1; 8 shots (?) in the D100)
* Smaller file size (1.3 MB in the D1 for Fine JPEG versus 3 MB in the D100). Therefore, less CDs for storage etc. One helpful bit of information that my research yielded is that while the D100 has more than twice as many pixels as the D1 it does not have twice the resolution. Twice the resolution of the D1 would be 4000 x 2624 which is 10.5 megapixels. The D100, in fact, has approximately 50% more resolution than the D1. Resolution and pixels are not the same.
* Smaller file size does not mean less quality in prints. There are now excellent interpolation options available in programs like Photoshop and Qimage Pro (as well as Genuine Fractals) as well as Photoshop actions at web sites like http://www.fredmiranda.com. This is where deciding what your purposes are is important. I will rarely, if ever, print larger than 8 x 10 and since the D1 can handle up to 11 x 14, I am satisfied.
* Faster flash sync. I love to use fill flash and 1/180 does not cut it for me.
* Built like the F5. I use an F5 so many of the controls are familar.
The D100 is a great camera but a D1 suits my needs better. Having said this, you need to be aware of the following with regards to the D1:
* The magenta cast problem that makes caucasion skin tones look like your subject has a sunburn. There are now ample Photoshop actions that address this problem. It can also be addressed through your use of white balance (do NOT use the auto white balance on the D1).
* Noise at higher ISO levels is greater than other Nikon D series cameras and some D1s have a problem with diagonal banding at high ISOs. Both of these issues are addressed in Qimage Pro with the D1 ISO filter.
* Many report that trying to use the D-TTL feature on the DX flashes is an act of futility. Many use the flash in Auto mode. It is because of this that I did not spring for a DX flash but continue to use my SB-28 in Auto mode (it works fine).
* Battery life is much less than the D100.
Finally, the most important thing to remember is that because the release of digital cameras is like the release of computers you will never be ahead of the technology. Within a year of your purchase Nikon will release the D100x (or whatever) with 11 gigapixels. Manufacuters thrive on this fact in order to convince you that bigger and newer is better. The good news is that when this happens prices on the D100 will drop significantly. And this points to the last reason I purchased a used D1, staying behind the curve can yield equal results (for my needs) for less money.
I hope this helps.
#7. "RE: new D100 or used D1?" | In response to Reply # 0
Hi. Thanks for the many comments. FYI, after posting I found the same question in the archive. But anyway please continue replying.
Please also comment on the WEIGHT and BATTERY experience please!
#9. "RE: new D100 or used D1?" | In response to Reply # 7eddyprice Basic MemberThu 26-Sep-02 04:22 PM
A couple of comments on the weight and battery -
I bought a used D1 6 weeks ago. So far I've shot over 1,000 photos with it. Prior to that I had a F100 for almost a year, before that I had a FM and F2 since the early 80's.
I'm used to the weight. I use it primarily with a 35-70mm 2.8 (kinda heavy, unless compared to 28-70mm 2.8, or tele lens). I've taken it on hikes in the Colorado high country, packing it into my backpack. I've put it in a fanny pack (with shoulder strap) and mountain biked with it on single track trails - no problem. I'm not a big build person either about 145#. I figure that the wt is a trade off for durability.
Using jpeg fine and using the monitor some I seem to average about 200-250 shots. In raw mode that uses more battery power I've seen about 125-150 shots. This is with the original battery. I also bought a new battery but haven't used it yet. I've found that people report if you take care of your battery and don't recharge when it isn't out of power it will give you more shots. See this link for detailed battery life information -
I don't regret buying a used D1 when I could have got a D100 for about the same price.
Hope this info helps!
#11. "RE: new D100 or used D1?" | In response to Reply # 9James_Ball Registered since 28th Feb 2002Tue 01-Oct-02 10:17 AM
Hello: In the thread somewhere above, somebody claimed the D1 could output a print at 14"x11".
Is this really true? At how many dpi is that? More to the point, whats the biggest file size a D1 can shoot?
#12. "RE: new D100 or used D1?" | In response to Reply # 11guyb Registered since 11th Apr 2002Tue 01-Oct-02 04:20 PM
I wasn't the poster, but I think I can answer. 11"x14" is really a subjective size. What they are referring to is if you import a D1 file and tell software to enlarge it to 11"x14" at 300 dpi it will look good to them. The software does this through interpolation(best guess to fill in the pixels). If the software did not do this it would only give you a 4"x6". I say this all to basically say that, yes, most people seem to think you can enlarge a D1's file to get a 11"x14" print.