My flash is a PZ5000AF by Sunpak, it works perfectly with my F100 with Nikon D & non-D lens also my Sigma "D" lens. All functions and all modes.
However when I put it on my D100 all functions work except the important one, even with Nikon D lens.
When in the 3D-TTL mode the flash ready symbol in the viewfinder starts flashing and does not stop when in the mode. And I cannot trigger the shutter. All other modes appear to work fine.
Comments or suggestions please, or is it a fault with the D100.
Have a Great Day and thanks for looking.
#1. "RE: D100 & Sunpak Flash" | In response to Reply # 0Thu 12-Dec-02 03:22 PM
Unfortunately, Nikon recommends that you use their Nikon DX series of flashes. These are designed to work with digital cameras, whereas other flashes - whether Nikon or 3rd Party dedicated flashes won't. You may have to resort to either Automatic settings or manual as some have done with other than the Nikon DX units. I'm no technoweenie when it comes to flashes, but I do know that Nikon failed - in my opinion - to properly address the flash scenario with the D100. Contrast this with the Fuji S2 Pro that was designed to handle all types of Nikon and 3rd Party dedicated flashes and performs far superior with these units.
Although I have Metz and Sunpak units - to include the Nikon SB-28, I had to go out and purchase the SB-80DX in order to work synergistically with the D100. I, luckily, also have the S2 Pro which allows me to use my Sunpak 5000 and my Metz 54 - plus my SB-28!!!
I'm sure you will generate alot of responses from other readers who have figured out ways of using their older flashes to work with the D100. I'd like to see some of those, because flash is my weak point.
Fuquay-Varina, North Carolina USA
#3. "3rd Party Flashes will only work in AA and Manual" | In response to Reply # 2Sat 04-Jan-03 01:14 AM
I should have added this to my previous post. You can use older Nikon flashes and 3rd Party dedicated flashes for Nikon, but they will only work properly in the Automatic or Manual mode. They will not work in TTL mode on the D100. As mentioned, this is a shame and one that Nikon could have corrected. Contrast this with the Fuji S2 Pro that got the flash scenario right by allowing a wide variety of flashes to be used in the TTL mode. Include other Digital SLR's in this category also.
What you would have to do is to set the Sunpak to the Auto mode or manual mode. Refer to the manual for detailed instructions. Then set your camera to the aperture recommended. Again, check the flash manual for specific instructions and your D100 manual for instructions on using in Automatic or manual mode with flashes.
To use a flash the works with TTL, however, you will need to dish out the money for the SB-80DX or SB-50DX.
#4. "RE: 3rd Party Flashes will only work in AA and Manual" | In response to Reply # 3Chirotk Registered since 23rd Apr 2002Sun 05-Jan-03 12:36 PM
I'm rather surprised that you work with flash at all when using your digitals. Is there a problem with upping the ISO settings to get the pictures ?
#5. "RE: 3rd Party Flashes will only work in AA and Manual" | In response to Reply # 4Sun 05-Jan-03 12:53 PM
I don't use flash as often as I did when I used film. That is the nice part about digital - that is, the available light scenario and the ability to fine tune white balance modes. But there are times where movement, the type of scene, etc., requires some type of flash. As I've alluded to in other threads, I also have the Fuji S2 Pro which allows me to use all types of Nikon dedicated flashes in their TTL modes and the results are great, which is not often the case with my D100. And even if you use the SB-80DX or the SB-50DX with the D100, there are still issues - i.e. underexposure, etc. Oh well...
#6. "RE: 3rd Party Flashes will only work in AA and Manual" | In response to Reply # 5Chirotk Registered since 23rd Apr 2002Sun 05-Jan-03 03:45 PM
I agree with you that there are issues. One of the issues that concern me most is dust on the CCD which, being charged, is a magnet for the stuff. I suppose that you live in a relatively clean environment, but dust is very much a part of my daily life and so would be a real problem with the DSLR's that change lenses.
Too bad Nikon didn't think to install a dust sheild like in some of the other DSLR's.
#7. "RE: D100 & Sunpak Flash" | In response to Reply # 0
Chris, Nikon couldn't figure out how to get reliable off-the-ccd metering with the original D1 camera. People trying to use TTL mode got very inconsistent results. Nikon came up with a workaround and introduced the SB-28 DX to provide a solution. In DX TTL metering, the flash exposure is metered during a preflash cycle (some super-rapid pulses before the shutter actually trips). The metering is done with light as it enters the camera rather than as it reflects off the CCD. This workaround works, but it is a step backward from "live" TTL where the the exposure can be modified as light changes during the actual exposure. And needless to say, this leaves Nikon DSLR users unable to use the existing Speelight system without taking several steps backward and using flash-controlled auto or manual modes.
The DX feature is NOT designed for all digital cameras, just Nikon's DSLR bodies. It is not needed for Coolpix cameras, nor is it needed for Kodak and Fuji cameras built from Nikon bodies. Both Fuji and Kodak provide off-the-chip metering and work with existing Nikon and Nikon compatible Speedlights. This issue was one of the most important reasons I went with a Fuji S2 instead of the D100. I didn't want to take a step backward in flash technology while having to buy new Speedlights to replace the two Nikon units I own.
From Nikon's standpoint, the DX thing is now a marketing plus. It also means that third party flashes with Nikon emulation won't provide TTL metering with Nikon's DSLR cameras. If you want 3D-TTL, with your D100 you have to buy a DX speedlight. Since the SB-28dx is being phased out, that gives you the SB-80dx and sb-50dx to choose from. Also note that wireless TTL (from the SU-4 and the SB-50DX) capability is compromised by the DX feature and Nikon warns against trying to use wireless TTL with its DSLR bodies.
Yes, you can work around the issues using flash auto and relying on your postview to check your settings. But I think it's time for Nikon to quit marketing a kludge as a feature and have Kodak or Fuji tell them how to meter off the chip.
#8. "RE: D100 & Sunpak Flash" | In response to Reply # 7Sun 05-Jan-03 04:47 PM
You know, I find it funny because I bought the D100 in early September, and then I heard some good things about the S2 Pro, so luckily I have a good relationship with a local camera store and they let me borrow an S2 Pro for 2 days. Prior to that, however, whenever I posted questions about people's experiences with the D100 vs the S2 - on various forums - all I got was scolded, plenty of sarcasms, etc. Well, after trying that camera, I came to the conclusion that I had to have that one also. So after figuring out which family member I could sell in the process, I bought the S2.
I don't like using the name "Fuji," because I look at the S2 Pro as a Nikon product that Fuji happened to tinker with. That said, here is what I noticed:
1. Color Saturation and overall balance I find superior out of the camera in comparison with the D100 out of the camera. Now granted, most photos can be made to look picture quality using PS-7 or other higher end image editors, but there are just some situations when you want a photo to come right out of a camera that half-assed represented the picture you took...'ya know what I mean Vern!!!
2. The Flash issue - no contest here. I use my SB-28, my Metz 54 MZ-3, and my Sunpak PZ4000AF and the PZ5000AF - all Nikon dedicated of course - with superb results on the S2 Pro. Not so with the D100, and I hate the fact that I had to go out and buy an SB-80DX and SB-50DX for the D100 alone - although they also work superbly on the S2 Pro and other Nikon units.
Love both cameras, bot in keeping in line with this particular thread, the flash scenario really sucks on the D100.
But as photographers we make do and I am doing what I can to learn as much as possible about the D100 and how to offset perceived problems, etc.
And before I forget, i know that the D100 rules in the battery department, but "ah gots to tell youse all that I'm getting 500 - 600 photos before I have to recharge or change batteries in the S2 Pro, and that really "ain't" that bad.
I guess what I'm saying is that after having the luxury of being able to consistently use both units on a daily basis, both have pluses and minuses.
#14. "RE: D100 & Sunpak Flash" | In response to Reply # 8Tue 07-Jan-03 02:51 AM
I agree completely. It was a close choice for me between the cameras and the D100 is better in several respects.
I personally don't use flash much, and I can work manually just fine for studio style shooting for work. So the flash issue didn't weigh as heavily for me as it could for someone else. It was, however, a tipping point with the other pros and cons.
I really do hope Nikon gets past this DX flash thing with the next generation of cameras. If they do keep pushing it, I think it will be to sell more speedlights to DSLR owners rather than technical incompetence.
#9. "RE: D100 & Sunpak Flash" | In response to Reply # 0
I was a bit aggravated about these flash issues too. I bought my obligatory SB-50DX and SB-80DX. I already had an SB-28 for my F5.
The way I look at it is this: I have two "systems." One is a film-based older technology system. (F5 and SB-28) And the newer is, of course, newer technology (D100 and SB-80DX).
I like having two systems available, as my obsessive personality has me using film one day, digital the next. In any case, being a Nikon system, I get marvelous, happy results.
What I'd like to add to this issue is this. The Nikon Fill-flash system is so incredibly accurate that I rejoice each time I use it. Check these out (all taken in overhead sunlight):
#10. "RE: D100 & Sunpak Flash" | In response to Reply # 9Sun 05-Jan-03 10:03 PM
Nice shots Darrell and your right, the fill flash is dead on. I'm curious about what you had your camera settings on ie: white balance, any flash compensation, etc. For me to get the same results on my D100, I have to make so many adjustments in the camera.
Just curious here.
#11. "RE: D100 & Sunpak Flash" | In response to Reply # 10Mon 06-Jan-03 05:33 AM
Here are the exact specs on the images above:
Mode: JPEG Fine
Lens: Nikkor 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 G EDIF
Focal Length: 80mm
Exposure Mode: Programmed Auto
1/180 sec - f/5.6
Exposure Compensation: None
White Balance: Auto
AF Mode: AF-S
Tone Compensation: Auto
Flash Sync: Slow Sync
Flash Mode: New TTL
Flash Compensation: +0.7 EV
Color Mode: sRGB
Hue Adjustment: None
Noise Reduction: Off
These images were taken about 5 days after I got the camera, so I had little experience with it. It was mostly left to factory specs. Since then I have switched White Balance to "Cloudy -3" (Warmer), Sharpening to "Normal", Color Mode to "Adobe RGB (1998)", and Contrast Mode to "Lower Contrast."
I always shoot with +0.7 EV Flash compensation. If it looks too bright, I dial it back to +0.3 EV. Most of the time +0.7 EV is just right. I like the bright look. Some may not. I also find that it is, strangely, more important to overexpose slightly with my SB-80DX than with the built-in flash.
Here is another image taken the same day with the same settings. I find this image striking, and the flash fill just right, even with darker skin tones. What do you think?
#12. "RE: D100 & Sunpak Flash" | In response to Reply # 11Mon 06-Jan-03 12:31 PM
Excellent photo and again, dead on!!! Thanks for the image information. I've had my D100 for about 3 months and have adopted pretty much the same adjustments you've made re: "Cloudy -3", normal sharpening, and +.07/+.03 EV flash compensation, etc. Based a lot on what I've read and learned since joining this forum, I'm loving this camera and the results. I have an SB-28DX and will upgrade to an SB-80DX soon. I find it difficult to use the built in flash as it seems to put out blue light. (That may sound strange) I haven't been as successful at making adjustments with it as I have with the SB-28DX.
Also, I'm still experimenting with the different color modes. I see the samples you showed were shot in sRGB and now you shoot Adobe RGB. I'm sure that's probably depending on subject matter, or is it image output?
I like what your doing. I'll keep my eyes open for your work/comments posted here.
#17. "RE: D100 & Sunpak Flash" | In response to Reply # 12Tue 07-Jan-03 04:34 AM
I shoot "Adobe RGB (1998)" now UNLESS I am shooting for the WEB only. The color gamut on Adobe RGB is much wider than sRGB. You cannot really see that on your monitor, but you CAN on paper when printed on a LightJet or comparable technology.
So, my rule is:
For Printing, use D100 Mode 2: Adobe RGB (1998)
For Web, use D100 Modes 1 or 3: sRGB
#15. "RE: D100 & Sunpak Flash" | In response to Reply # 9
Why hang onto the SB-28 now that you have the new top of the line speedlight? The SB-80DX will work superbly with your F5, in fact it will provide TTL during the actual exposure with the F5 as will the SB-50DX. If having a third flash is handy, great, but you imply that somehow you need the "old school" flash for the F5. Ain't so.
#16. "RE: D100 & Sunpak Flash" | In response to Reply # 15Tue 07-Jan-03 04:30 AM
You are right, of course. It is just that the F5 and the SB-28 have grown to love and need one another. I can't break them apart after all this time together, just for the new girl in town. This combo works. I know what to expect EVERY time I use it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, etc.
The first time I go shoot a wedding with the F5 and SB-80DX, I'll probably find that it underexposes every twelfth shot, when the moon is full, and the bride is blushing. With the F5 and SB-28, I KNOW that won't happen. Give me a few years with this newfangled SB-80Dx and I'll feel the same way!
#18. "RE: D100 & Sunpak Flash" | In response to Reply # 0
Thank you all so much for the advice and tips.
I now have a SB-80DX in my bag along with the Sunpak.
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